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Then it's time to change habits a bit.
After long testing I've found manabase managable. I've tried both 2 Scrylands and 4 Scrylands in 22 lands deck and it worked just fine. I was playing low density of 1CMC drops (actually only Cacklers were good T1 play) so I don't mind if I loose T1 play to get tapped land and fix my next draw. I guess that's the way to go.
Additionaly, when you're playing on low curve, but you have some kind of high-CMC tech in SB (think Burning Earth or Possibility Storm), Scryland is great as SB card. You increase the rate at which you get the lands = you increase your chance to hit 5 mana on T5 while with Hammer of Purphoros you can always just bin lands when in dire need of 3/3 hasty creatures.
After long testing I've found manabase managable. I've tried both 2 Scrylands and 4 Scrylands in 22 lands deck and it worked just fine. I was playing low density of 1CMC drops (actually only Cacklers were good T1 play) so I don't mind if I loose T1 play to get tapped land and fix my next draw. I guess that's the way to go.
Additionaly, when you're playing on low curve, but you have some kind of high-CMC tech in SB (think Burning Earth or Possibility Storm), Scryland is great as SB card. You increase the rate at which you get the lands = you increase your chance to hit 5 mana on T5 while with Hammer of Purphoros you can always just bin lands when in dire need of 3/3 hasty creatures.

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4 Blood CryptWhy would they tantalize me with this card and then make it unplayable with upcoming manabases.I'm thinking low-curve Aggro is probably going to want to be mono colored without access to 8 duals that ETB untapped.
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4 Godless Shrine
4 Rakdos Guildgate
11 Mountain
It's a bit riskier with Ash Zealot, but it gets you the black sources you need for
Jester while still allowing you to cast Reckoner.
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I was thinking about making manabases "old way". With usage of both types of basic lands. First results were terrible.
22 Lands: 4 Stomping Ground 2 Gruul Scryland 8 Mountain 8 Forest
Played equal amount of Green and Red Creatures. Red spells.
My deck wasn't greedy on anything else than 1CMC drops (4 Cackler 4 Experiment One 2 Loyalist).
I could cast my 1CMC drop in 20% of times with around 20 playtests. And shit wasn't bright and shiny later as well.
22 Lands: 4 Stomping Ground 2 Gruul Scryland 8 Mountain 8 Forest
Played equal amount of Green and Red Creatures. Red spells.
My deck wasn't greedy on anything else than 1CMC drops (4 Cackler 4 Experiment One 2 Loyalist).
I could cast my 1CMC drop in 20% of times with around 20 playtests. And shit wasn't bright and shiny later as well.

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This close to what I'll start out with post-rotation. I want a budget friendly deck right now, and since I want the black removal spells I'll try a RB deck. I have only one Godless Shrine, so no Reckoners for now. It's based on Valdarith's block Rakdos deck.
[deck]
Creatures (26)
4 Foundry Street Denizen
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Gore-House Chainwalker
4 Spike Jester
3 Hellhole Flailer
4 Bloodfray Giant
3 Exava, Rakdos Blood Witch
Spells (11)
4 Lightning Strike
4 Doom Blade
3 Hammer of Purphoros
Lands (23)
4 Rakdos Guildgate
4 Blood Crypt
11 Mountain
4 Swamp
Sideboard (15)
2 Flames of the Firebrand
3 Legion Loyalist
4 Dreadbore
4 Act of Treason
2 Slaughter Games
[/deck]
Any thoughts?
[deck]
Creatures (26)
4 Foundry Street Denizen
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Gore-House Chainwalker
4 Spike Jester
3 Hellhole Flailer
4 Bloodfray Giant
3 Exava, Rakdos Blood Witch
Spells (11)
4 Lightning Strike
4 Doom Blade
3 Hammer of Purphoros
Lands (23)
4 Rakdos Guildgate
4 Blood Crypt
11 Mountain
4 Swamp
Sideboard (15)
2 Flames of the Firebrand
3 Legion Loyalist
4 Dreadbore
4 Act of Treason
2 Slaughter Games
[/deck]
Any thoughts?

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I put in GHCs instead of Zealots to lower the chances of having an unplayable two-drop on the second turn due to the basic swamps. And if that Sylvan Caryatid gets played both GHC and Jester don't get stopped so easily.
Ogre Battledriver instead of Bloodfray Giant might be better, I have to playtest a bit with both. I really like the trample on the giant. But Battledriver would be sweet with the Hammer.
Ogre Battledriver instead of Bloodfray Giant might be better, I have to playtest a bit with both. I really like the trample on the giant. But Battledriver would be sweet with the Hammer.
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We used to have this cat when I was a kid that was a natural born predator. I swear to god this cat had wings. Every kind of bird you could imagine would show up on our door step during the day, anything from a mockingbird to a (I shit you not) sand hill crane. Sand hill cranes are mean as hell, so I have no idea how this 10lb cat managed to down that beast.Found a dead kitten in my backyard last night. Funny how things like that can really take the wind out of your sails. Sucks.
A few times he'd bring less than impressive things home though. There were a few kittens, cats just smaller than him in general...more than a few baby birds. feelsbadman.jpg
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Another pushed as hell creature...this is an approximate translation except for the name:
Pushed Golgari Creature

Creature - Gorgon (R)
Whenever another creature dies Scry 1
: She gains Deathtouch until EOT
: She gains Hexproof until EOT
4/5
Talk about resilient...holy yikes. I love it...
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Pushed Golgari Creature



Creature - Gorgon (R)
Whenever another creature dies Scry 1



4/5
Talk about resilient...holy yikes. I love it...
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This is pleasing to my senses.Another pushed as hell creature...this is an approximate translation except for the name:
Pushed Golgari Creature![]()
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Creature - Gorgon (R)
Whenever another creature dies Scry 1
: She gains Deathtouch until EOT
: She gains Hexproof until EOT
4/5
Talk about resilient...holy yikes. I love it...

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Goddamn Larry94 is apparently posting on Sally again...
That fucking guy.
That fucking guy.

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My girls are asleep so I'm playing on my phone to kill time during commercials of A Knight's Tale.

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Reading that has made me realize how significantly less baller my Friday nights are now that I'm all old and shit.

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Huzzah!
I miss Heath Ledger...Fantastic movie.

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Depends on the person. Some need to stay longer - most, IME, could probably afford to leave a little sooner.

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Losing people like Ledger--who you know would have had some beyond-the-curve impact of some sort if they'd had the time on this earth--is particularly tragic.
@TH - Congrats on the big win! My son's school team regrettably got trounced tonight, but the band played really well on the competition program debut so we had a good night. Watching high school football from the end zone (I'm a photographer and field crew member for the band) is really an awesome perspective...you can almost feel the kinetic energy of each play.
@TH - Congrats on the big win! My son's school team regrettably got trounced tonight, but the band played really well on the competition program debut so we had a good night. Watching high school football from the end zone (I'm a photographer and field crew member for the band) is really an awesome perspective...you can almost feel the kinetic energy of each play.

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Early testing of Boros Midrange, the following cards are absurd:
- Chandra, Young Pyro, Magma Jet, Boros Charm, Hammer
Hammer is actually fucking retarded with Chandra, but I doubt you run more than 1 (Chandra already has problems flipping another copy of herself).
Good:
- all the other burn, Phoenix, scryland
In contention:
- Ash Zealot, Reckoner
I was facing too much removal out of decks that meant I was getting no value. Doesn't mean they're bad, but they might not be optimal in some versions of a settled meta.
Chandra is just stupid on an empty board, or a locked board.
- Chandra, Young Pyro, Magma Jet, Boros Charm, Hammer
Hammer is actually fucking retarded with Chandra, but I doubt you run more than 1 (Chandra already has problems flipping another copy of herself).
Good:
- all the other burn, Phoenix, scryland
In contention:
- Ash Zealot, Reckoner
I was facing too much removal out of decks that meant I was getting no value. Doesn't mean they're bad, but they might not be optimal in some versions of a settled meta.
Chandra is just stupid on an empty board, or a locked board.

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