The Boondocks Mafia (Town Win)

[( G_R )]

*Another off-game post

http://diestoremoval.com/search.php?t=1 ... r=Stardust

Just change the user name.

[Stardust]

Thank you!

GR, are you scum? I need to figure that out still. Maybe you can help.

[( G_R )]

I am not. I have not played many games of mafia, but the only time someone has said "leaning town" about me, was on that game I didn't finish in the ML, and it is the only time I have been scum. I even said pre-game that people would call me scummy. Story of my mafia life. I AM posting far more than what I expected, though.

[Yannaria]

@Stardust:

"Why didn't you mention it in your first post of the game?"

Um, I did? I asked Manders, specifically, why she was voting Kaze because I'm more familiar with her (and Yanni, but he hadn't posted until now) than anyone else in this game and expected her to give me a complete answer because I didn't understand the wagon on Kaze. Additionally, I was more focused on lynching zombad.


"So, at 75%, would you say it's worthwhile lynching people who do this regardless of other evidence? Aside from that, he's got noob town written all over him. Considering I've seen tactics like this fail twice and never work, I'm inclined to believe the other evidence in this case."

Oh right, forgot that time with Teia. Well, tell me, what about zombad do you think is so town, exactly?


"Yes, you did say you hadn't seen anything anti-town, then went on to defend his frustration. Do you believe Kaze is town?"

I wouldn't be white knighting Kaze if I didn't think he was town.


"What about this post specifically. You believe Kaze when he says it was meant to be a trap?"

No, actually, I think that was a line of crock that he came up with because he felt pressured. The "<3" was clearly forced but he's obviously trying to keep a cool there. Kaze said he played once before, and it was as scum, right? So as someone who saw Teia's transition from "first game scum" to "second game town" and had absolutely no concept of how to play the game as town afterwards, do you not see similarities here?


"Disagree. That was
completely unnecessary. Feels more like you're working on solidifying yourself as a power role than working towards a townie goal here.

I suppose I should explain for everyone else that Iso as scum has never claimed vanilla. If he claims vanilla, he's town. As scum, he needs to set himself up to claim a power role. That's what I think he's doing here since there is no town motivation for coming out otherwise."

As I said, you'll see.


"I would have kept my mouth shut if I actually believed he was a town PR. There's good reason to bring attention to it.

I won't ask you for your take on his townie motivation, but I can't see it."

That's because you don't know my role.


"It's the only real reasoning he's given for pointing at rezombad (which I read as a deflection). I checked after my last post on the subject. Of the seven games I've been directly involved in
five of those had someone random voting, self-voting, voting for everyone or explicitly voting for noone in RVS. All five of those people caught flak for it and all five of them were town. "Known", yes, but unreliable."

Deflecting from what, exactly? There's absolutely no pressure on me.


"... I was going to decline, but for the sake of the newbies I'll spell this one out. Basically, Iso as scum is breadcrumbing a fake claim that he's brewing. His scum buddy Kaze pressures him to give more detail. Very unlikely scenario. That alone points to at least one of you being town."

Guess we'll see what happens, eh? :3


"Iso is scum for breadcrumbing when town has no business doing so."

Again, you don't know my role. Bite me.

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@Manders:

"Why are you bringing attention to it? You should know better than that."




"I
still believe a wagon on him D1 is pointless. He won't be lynched."



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@Nuwen:

Is there a reason you didn't address my statement(s) directed towards you until later?

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@Kaze: I would appreciate it if you didn't speculate on my role out loud, thanks. That said, if you legitimately think I'm scum, how does that parse with your thought that I might be able to control the lynch?


"Implying you have an idea of scum pushing my wagon, but you won't divulge that information right now, even though it could get us on the right track for a day 1 scum lynch? Why?"

Gee, I dunno. Maybe because I was going to bed shortly afterwards and have been really busy with trying to get a job lately? No, that couldn't be it.


"Iso, do you believe Nuwen's terse movements are a result of scumminess or just playstyle difference?"

Nuwen gives me the impression
that she believes what she's saying but I'll reserve judgment on that for later, when I have some wagons to analyze.


"So Iso is scum for claiming to not be vanilla...?"

Where did I claim to be not vanilla? Why do you keep fishing for my role after I told you I'm not going to give any more information for the time being?

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@Yanni:

"OBLIGITORY VOTE ISO BECAUSE MY BONER IS SO BIG"

<3

Also you unvoted and revoted Kaze like 4 times in your post, what's up?

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@Col. Khaddafi:

"And scum can sometimes willingfully murder vanillas to throw off people so it doesn't means much."

Last time I was Vanilla in a completed game was (IIRC) Mod Mafia 6 and I caught the entire scumteam on Day 1. I was the Night 1 kill despite the fact that I claimed Vanilla and that Teia claimed Doc.

you know me, scattered. I kept dfinding people I thoguht
were better, and when I reread my post I realized that Kaze was the highest on my scumdar.

[DroppinSuga]

Shouldn't it be night 1 by now or did I miss something?

[DroppinSuga]

If I had to bet money, Kaze and Manders are both scum. G_R, Nuwen and I are the obvious townies at this point.

[Second Harkius]

Catching up, my Woodcrest friends!

I haven't seen Kaze do anything anti-town. Well, except his most recent "noob bandwagon" comment - it seems a little forced in phrasing, but I think it's justified, given that pretty much no one has explained their votes on him.

"Pretty much no one"? Several people on his wagon have explained their vote on him.

Then I must be blind![/
quote]

Friend, don't handwave my comment like that. Kaze's heat is real and for you discredit it as lacking explanations flies directly in the face of what I'd expect from a mafia veteran, unless you had a reason to try and minimize the attention on Kaze.

vote: rezombad

Seems fairly straight-forward today.

Let's all just hold our horses for a gosh darned minute! The day has barely started, a number of the folks have yet to post, and you call this "
fairly-straight forward"?

unvote
vote: DroppinSuga

How is it not "fairly-straight forward"? What does the inactivity of other players have to do with whether he is scum or not?

To answer your first question, I've never seen a random vote generator vote lead to a straight forward lynch let alone any lynch (I've played ~10 games and know the law quite well). To answer your second question, Suga's vote was very opportunistic at that stage of the game since many players had yet to post. It's like he wanted to get on a wagon with the least amount of effort.

Three players still have yet to post. I
want to meet all of my neighbors before the day ends!

Why are you so concerned about this?

I get scared when I'm alone. I could drop the soap and call out for help and nobody would find me until my booty was irrevocably harmed! But also I can't read someone if they post absolutely nothing. And that's almost as bad as dropping the soap! I refuse to drop the town's soap!

I don't understand the case on Kaze and zombad is scum.

Whoa there, you're a mafia veteran and you can't understand why there's a wagon on Kaze? I mean not voting him is one thing but to not even claim to understand why he's getting voted
after his rolefishing comment?

unvote
vote Iso

While I agree it's odd for him to claim he doesn't understand the wagon, I don't think it warrants a vote. Why do you?

He’s a veteran so for him to show up and claim to not understand Kaze’s wagon felt disingenuous. In his first major post he didn’t even touch upon the 6-vote wagon at the time. He tried to ignore it, but when pressed, chose to then dismiss it. What do you make of that?

Why the question mark?

Because I don't know what will be accomplished by claiming names.

Why would you agree to something if you don't
know what it will accomplish?

[Second Harkius]

Vote: Kaze

too easy?

I see it, too.

Vote: Kazekirimaru

Who can tell me why I voted for him?

Diarrhea of the mouth? Or was it the subtle mudslinging?

What mud-slinging?

Iso’s mud-slinging comment was in his second post of the game, post #66.

In
the post #144, Iso said:

@Manders: The mudslinging was referring to the rolefishing comment.

Iso says that his mud-slinging comment was about the rolefishing remark Kaze made. Keep in mind that Kaze’s wagon really took off due to the rolefishing remark.

What happened between post #66 and post #144?

I don't understand the case on Kaze and zombad is scum.

Iso’s comment in post #144 reveals that he did understand the scumminess of the rolefishing remark (in his own words, that’s what his post #66 mud-slinging comment was about!). So why would he claim to not understand the case on Kaze in post #77?

Tl;dr – He
understood the case on Kaze in post #66, as he just told us in post #144. So why did he say that he didn’t understand the case in post #77?

[Second Harkius]

If he claims vanilla, he's town. As scum, he needs to set himself up to claim a power role. That's what I think he's doing here since there is no town motivation for coming out otherwise.

Whatever Iso's breadcrumbing there was no need for him to breadcrumb it when he did so I'm inclined to agree. @Stardust - how many games have you played with Iso?

I still believe a wagon on him D1 is pointless. He won't be lynched.

I hate, perhaps too strong a word from a guy like me, when people say that day 1 wagons on experienced players are pointless. They're not pointless
when the player is acting scummy.

If I had to bet money, Kaze and Manders are both scum. G_R, Nuwen and I are the obvious townies at this point.

For someone who continues to assert that he's town, I've seen nothing townie coming from you at all.

[DroppinSuga]

At this point I'm willing to

Unvote

Vote: End day phase

[Kazekirimaru]

At this point I'm willing to

Unvote

Vote: End day phase

What the actual fuck do you think you're doing?

[Kazekirimaru]

@Stardust: Apologies for missing some stuffs.

1) I don't believe you.
2) Why didn't you vote for imopen2 in your previous post when you accused him of rolefishing?

1. Okay.
2. Because I was waiting for his response to my accusations at the time.

He never did respond to you directly. This is the post that lead to
you vote him. What did you learn from this?

I responded about this at length to Manders. Overlap, as you said.

Continuing with the wall... Why did you ignore Nuwen's issues with Iso's handling of your wagon? Does that help with your null read here at all? Speaking of which, what is your read on Iso (and why)?

Because it didn't affect my scumread on her. Why would it?

Mainly because it's a question I feel you should have been asking yourself. It was directly related to your
wagon and, in my opinion, was a very informative post - probably the most informative post on the topic of Nuwen's alignment. You say that you think Iso may be scum. Since you "know" you're town, why did Nuwen post that?

Are you asking me if I believe Nuwen's post was town or scum motivated? Because I believe it to be the former. But she was such an enigmatic player towards the beginning I held her as null until she started opening up analytically.

[Nuwen]

If I had to bet money, Kaze and Manders are both scum. G_R, Nuwen and I are the obvious townies at this point.

At this point I'm willing to

Unvote

Vote: End day phase

Show me your money. Proxy your vote to me for the remainder of the day.

[Nuwen]

[quote="Iso":115gk6d9]@Nuwen:

Is there a reason you didn't address my statement(s) directed towards you until later?[/quote:115gk6d9]

No disrespect intended, but correcting you is an unimportant afterthought to me. You even pointed out that other people had already asked the same meaty part of your question:

[quote="Iso":115gk6d9]@Nuwen: I disagree with your assessment that it's too early to draw connections between players - I thrive in RVS, typically, though I missed that this time around - but that is theory talk that is neither here nor there.

Care to explain your G_R vote, as well as your take on Fate's G_R vote? (Strikethrough because other people have already asked.)[/quote:115gk6d9]

So I don't really know what kind of personalized response you anticipated?

If you have a different question that I missed, requote it for my sanity.

[imopen2]

I haven't read the last 8-10 posts yet but does anyone else find it weird that yanni, suga, and spambolic all just posted within 10 mins of each other with a lot to say? I have been known to get a bit paranoid when I smoke that nigga weed but this seems like a meeting of the minds to me

[Kazekirimaru]

Okay. DroppinSuga has been acting weird lately.

He's asserted his towniness on a couple occasions, he's happily provided votes with no explanation, he's being very tight-lipped and mysterious. And I believe this is a ruse.

DroppinSuga is purposely acting scummy. Not scummy enough to get lynched, but get perhaps get night targeted? Notice how eager he is to end the day without a lynch. An experienced player - as he has professed to be - wouldn't attempt such a thing as a day one No Lynch in anything but MyLo. Any player worth their salt would know that you need a flip to work off of. I believe DroppinSuga has a role that enacts when he is targeted at night, so he is eager to bring the night and get targeted.

Be fucking weary, people.

[Iso]

-_- I was typing up a response and then my laptop crapped out so now I get to retype it. It'll be up soon.

[Iso]

@Stardust:

"Being town is hard, it's true. I don't see a lot of similarities between Kaze and Teia, but I get your point."

It's not a playstyle similarity I'm referring to, it's just the overall mindset of transitioning from "pretend I'm town" to "oh shit I actually have to scumhunt now?"


"You guys are sufficiently separated at this point as far as I'm concerned."

Manders and myself or Kaze and myself?


"And then scum won! What a trainwreck. Worst game I've been in. Other than King of the Hill."

...and you were scum in it.


"Feel free to dispute my assumptions there, but this is exactly what I've seen from noob town in the past."

Hmm. My problem
here is that I think I dislike the overall engagement with everyone else. But I'll defer to your judgment.

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@Suga:

"Shouldn't it be night 1 by now or did I miss something?"

Uhh, the fact that we haven't lynched yet, maybe? I can't see this coming from a town mindset. Suga pushed Kaze and expected a lynch with no resistance? It's like he's not even trying to scumhunt and just wants to see people lynched.

Unvote, Vote Suga


"If I had to bet money, Kaze and Manders are both scum. G_R, Nuwen and I are the obvious townies at this point."

Kaze AND Manders as scum? How do you figure? G_R and you as obvious town? Please spell it out for me, I'd love to hear a justification for that.

Also, a No Lynch? Seriously? What are you trying to accomplish?

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@Spam:

"Friend, don't handwave my comment like that. Kaze's heat is real and for you
discredit it as lacking explanations flies directly in the face of what I'd expect from a mafia veteran, unless you had a reason to try and minimize the attention on Kaze."

If I remembered how to YouTube on this site, I'd link the "I'm not your friend, guy!" argument from South Park.

That said, it's not a handwave - you could always point the posts in question out to me.


"He’s a veteran so for him to show up and claim to not understand Kaze’s wagon felt disingenuous. In his first major post he didn’t even touch upon the 6-vote wagon at the time. He tried to ignore it, but when pressed, chose to then dismiss it. What do you make of that?"

If you were reading my response to Stardust instead of skimming my posts, you would know that I did, in fact, comment on it.


"Iso’s comment in post #144 reveals that he did understand the scumminess of the rolefishing remark (
in his own words, that’s what his post #66 mud-slinging comment was about!). So why would he claim to not understand the case on Kaze in post #77?"

Because nobody explained it to me or answered my question about the wagon when I asked why it existed. I WANTED to understand the Kaze wagon, and I commented on what he said, but I obviously didn't think it warranted a vote (read: made him scum) or I would have voted for him. Where's the disconnect that you're seeing?


"Whatever Iso's breadcrumbing there was no need for him to breadcrumb it when he did so I'm inclined to agree."

You don't know my role, god dammit.

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@Nuwen:

"No disrespect intended, but correcting you is an unimportant afterthought to me. You even pointed out that other people had already asked the same meaty part of your question."

'Correcting' me? Right. I'm more concerned about the fact that you felt my question wasn't worth responding to - basically, what was the sequence of events that led to you not responding to me immediately? Did you not read my post, or what?

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@Kaze: Night targeted by what, exactly? A Cop? A Vig? Why are you directing power roles? Remind me who you're voting for right now and why?

[Iso]

*the overall lack of engagement, sorry.

[Stardust]

Are you asking me if I believe Nuwen's post was town or scum motivated? Because I believe it to be the former. But she was such an enigmatic player towards the beginning I held her as null until she started opening up analytically.

Okay, cool. Can you elaborate a bit? What exactly is town motivated about it? What was she thinking at the time?

[Stardust]

@Stardust - how many games have you played with Iso?

2 full games plus one that got abandoned end of a long Day 1.

In my opinion, the Iso wagon is weak at this point. It needs more before I'll be back on it.

I believe DroppinSuga has a role that enacts when he is targeted at night, so he is eager to bring the night and get targeted.

Stop with the role speculation.

Why do you think he's more likely to be town than scum?

Oh shit. You do think he's scum, don't you? Nevermind. Carry on.

"You guys are sufficiently separated at this point as far as I'm concerned."

Manders and myself or Kaze and myself?

Kaze.

But I'll defer to your judgment.

Why would you do that?



So... I'd be okay with a Suga lynch. DroppinSuga! Give me some content! I directed questions to you specifically in my first post of the game. I'd appreciate an answer.

[Stardust]

There are some things I don't like about your analysis of the other players on your wagon but I will let them respond to you first before I point out all the flaws in your rundown for them.

Now that this has passed, are you still planning on doing this, imopen?

You're posting more than most, but not really commenting on current events. Why is that? Care to make an attempt?

[Stardust]

Hey Tom Servo!

I'm happy to report that activity levels are picking up! Finally you have something meaningful to comment on!

[Stardust]

Hey Scumbag!

You're currently voting for Kazekikimaru. Any other leads? What do you think of ( G_R ) and imopen?

Any comment on Nuwen's assertion that you're a ninja sheep?

[Stardust]

Who said anything about imopen2?

Me, right now. What do you think of imopen2? DroppinSuga too, while you're at it.

Are you still suspecting rezombad and Kaze as scumbuddies?

[Stardust]

Okay, good enough for now. Hanging questions for Fate, DroppinSuga and Lord McD's (from this post) in addition to those I just asked.

[imopen2]

There are some things I don't like about your analysis of the other players on your wagon but I will let them respond to you first before I point out all the flaws in your rundown for them.

Now that this has passed, are you still planning on doing this, imopen?

You're posting more than most, but not really commenting on current events. Why is that? Care to make an attempt?

Yea ill have to look at his post again. Quoting shit on this phone sucks so ill try to do it tonight when I'm home.

[Col. Khaddafi]

I don't think anything about G_R and imopen, but the DroppingSuga request for a nolynch at the end of day one doesn't sit well with me. Not that it automatically means he is scum, but usually you always lynch someone otherwise it sets you back as town so...

On a more positive note this day one is picking up, glad we're done quickly with the RVS

[DroppinSuga]

If I had to bet money, Kaze and Manders are both scum. G_R, Nuwen and I are the obvious townies at this point.

At this point I'm willing to

Unvote

Vote: End day phase

Show me your money. Proxy your vote to me for the remainder of the day.

Unvote

Proxy vote to Nuwen

To answer
earlier questions: I've never played in a game that doesn't have a set time limit for each phase. The way we played at HCR is that each day phase was either 24 or 48 hours. That's what caused my confusion. Our meta also didn't include many day one lynches. Let me get used to the meta here and I won't come off as such a scummy bastard.

[Stardust]

I don't think anything about G_R and imopen, but the DroppingSuga request for a nolynch at the end of day one doesn't sit well with me. Not that it automatically means he is scum, but usually you always lynch someone otherwise it sets you back as town so...

On a more positive note this day one is picking up, glad we're done quickly with the RVS

Vote Col. Khaddafi.

[imopen2]

There are some things I don't like about your analysis of the other players on your wagon but I will let them respond to you first before I point out all the flaws in your rundown for them.

Now that this has passed, are you still planning on doing this, imopen?

You're posting more than most, but not really commenting on current events. Why is that? Care to make an attempt?

Yea ill have to look at his post again.
Quoting shit on this phone sucks so ill try to do it tonight when I'm home.

So I just read his post through a few times and I can not figure out what I was upset about other than the portion about me.

I think one thing was the analysis of neuwen and then the null classification and another was about suga's wagon jumping but I think I was mistaken about the order of suga's votes at the time.

In light of recent events I will
unvote and strongly consider voting suga tonight when I get home

[imopen2]

If I had to bet money, Kaze and Manders are both scum. G_R, Nuwen and I are the obvious townies at this point.

At this point I'm willing to

Unvote

Vote: End day phase

Show me your money. Proxy
your vote to me for the remainder of the day.

Unvote

Proxy vote to Nuwen

To answer earlier questions: I've never played in a game that doesn't have a set time limit for each phase. The way we played at HCR is that each day phase was either 24 or 48 hours. That's what caused my confusion. Our meta also didn't include many day one lynches. Let me get used to the meta here and I won't come off as such a scummy bastard.

This doesn't make sense to me...why would the meta result in no day one lynch? Can someone explain why that would happen in any mafia meta?

[Stardust]

In light of recent events I will
unvote and strongly consider voting suga tonight when I get home

What recent events are you referring to here?

[Yannaria]

At this point I'm willing to

Unvote

Vote: End day phase

die now please
unvote vote sugadaddy

[Yannaria]

I haven't read the last 8-10 posts yet but does anyone else find it weird that yanni, suga, and spambolic all just posted within 10 mins of each other with a lot to say? I have been known to get a bit paranoid when I smoke that nigga weed but this seems like a meeting of the minds to me

evidence? or are you just throwing something out to see if it sticks?

[Yannaria]

Okay. DroppinSuga has been acting weird lately.

He's asserted his towniness on a couple occasions, he's happily provided votes with no explanation, he's being very tight-lipped and mysterious. And I believe this is a ruse.

DroppinSuga is purposely acting scummy. Not scummy enough to get lynched, but get perhaps get night targeted? Notice how eager he is to end the day without a lynch. An experienced player - as he has professed to be - wouldn't attempt such a thing as a day one No Lynch in anything but MyLo. Any player worth their salt would know that you need a flip to work off of. I believe DroppinSuga has a role that enacts when he is targeted at night, so he is eager to bring the night and get targeted.

Be fucking weary, people.

what
the fuck is this?

[Yannaria]

hey nuwen respond to my question

[imopen2]

In light of recent events I will
unvote and strongly consider voting suga tonight when I get home

What recent events are you referring to here?

The whole "when is day 1 ending even tho ive barely contributed ok now im going to vote to end day 1" thing that suga just pulled.

[imopen2]

I haven't read the last 8-10 posts yet but does anyone else find it weird that yanni, suga, and spambolic all just posted within 10 mins of each other with a lot to say? I have been known to get a bit paranoid when I smoke that nigga weed but this seems like a meeting of the minds to me

evidence? or are you just throwing something out to see if it sticks?

I guess my evidence would be the time stamps on their posts...? I'm not sure what you're looking for here

[( G_R )]

@Stardust: I haven't made up my mind about imopen2, but I particularly disliked this post:

I haven't read the last 8-10 posts yet but does anyone else find it weird that yanni, suga, and spambolic all just posted within 10 mins of each other with a lot to say? I have been known to get a bit paranoid when I smoke that nigga weed but this seems like a meeting of the minds to me

There's no concrete analysis about the posts he mentions, just throwing suspicions out there.

About Suga, I find his actions as a cute attempt to appear townie. That still doesn't tell me anything about his alignment, because I believe that also townies want to appear townie amirite?