[Primer] Boros Burn

[dpaine88]

@MDU- thanks for your videos, watched a whole bunch and was probably the reason why I had success with little to no experience with the deck!

[magicdownunder]

Seems like lots of people are doing well, shame about the Bg match in top8 - but its nice too see victories against the Monster brews with the MD Eidolon of the Great Revel.

Last Time

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Here is the current list I'm running:

[deck=MDU's Rw Burn]Lands 23
8 Mountain
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph
3 Mutavault
2 Boros Guildgate
1 Temple of Malice
1 Temple of Silence

Creatures 08
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Young Pyromancer

Exile 03
2 Chained to the Rocks
1 Banishing Light

Burn 26
4 Boros Charm
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
4 Shock
4 Skullcrack
4 Warleader's Helix
2 Searing Blood

Sideboard 15
4 Toil // Trouble
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
3 Mizzium Mortars
2 Chained to the Rocks
1 Fated Conflagration
1 Reprisal[/deck]

I've taken three SE events with it so far, so I'm liking it.

[u:
3erpudej]SE Report 7098044 [/u]
G1 R1 RDW vs Rw Burn (MDU) SE 7098044
G1 R2 RDW vs Rw Burn (MDU) SE 7098044
G1 R3 RDW vs Rw Burn (MDU) SE 7098044

G2 R1 Naya Hexproof vs Rw Burn (MDU) SE 7098044
G2 R2 Naya Hexproof vs Rw Burn (MDU) SE 7098044
G2 R3 Naya Hexproof vs Rw Burn (MDU) SE 7098044

G3 Split

Short Animation about Judge's Familiar

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZI4NxdQXgY[/
youtube]

[card]Judge's Familiar[/card]

[dpaine88]

Yup, I acutally didnt see a Revel at all rounds 1 ,2 ,3 - when I played the monsters decks.

[Lightning_Dolt]

Good job man!

[dpaine88]

Thanks dude, I read your article and then wrote down your sideboard plan which helped a lot!!!

The one thing I was unsure of was to side in Chains or not in the mirror match. It def lost me a game in the mirror that I lost when I drew into 2x chains and 1x banishing light on a mull to 6.

Are there varied opinions on siding that way for the mirror match or is bringing in chains considered 100% correct?

[Purp]

Report in a few.

[LaZerBurn]

Congrats Purp!

[dpaine88]

good shit bro

[BlakLanner]

Well done.

[Deht]

Nice work.

Burn seemed to be doing pretty damn well this weekend, I was periodically checking out streams from stores on twitch.tv and about half the time a RW Burn list was closing out a game.

[Elricity]

P.S. Any of you youtube uploaders making money from your Adds?

I turned off ads. The $2 I might make isn't worth the hassle.

[Valdarith]

Congrats, Purp!

[Tyrael]

Superb, Purp!

[Lightning_Dolt]

Thanks dude, I read your article and then wrote down your sideboard plan which helped a lot!!!

The one thing I was unsure of was to side in Chains or not in the mirror match. It def lost me a game in the mirror that I lost when I drew into 2x chains and 1x banishing light on a mull to 6.

Are there varied opinions on siding that way for the mirror match or is bringing in chains considered 100% correct?

MDU sides out Chains and Phoenixes to try to level his opponents.

I don't give my opponents that much credit. I think they're generally going to leave in phoenixes and eidolons, so I'm good with the full set of chains. I also had an opponent bring in Aegis of the Gods .

I did however sideboard banishing light out for a 1 of shock, whick made me happy. Maybe it's just correct to do that. Sure they may recur phoenixes, but you get to shoot vaults. I had literally never played a burn mirror before this weekend, so I defer to MDU.

Stormbreath Dragon did win vs burn everytime I drew it though. I'm a fan of that tech.

[BlakLanner]

I do like the list L_D posted in his article. I will likely run that with 3/3/3 Shock/Searing/Chains, cut the Banishing Light, and fill the empty sideboard slot with a Chandra. Stormbreath just might be enough to give me a chance against Monsters.

[Purp]

So we had our GA States yesterday, it was capped at 100 players due to the store capacity. Not sure why they chose one of the smaller stores in GA but w/e.

Ended up playing LD's list from his article.

[deck]
Creatures (8)
4 Chandra’s Phoenix
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel

Lands (23)
2 Mana Confluence
9 Mountain
4 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph

Spells (29)
1 Banishing Light
4 Boros Charm
2 Chained to the Rocks
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
2 Searing Blood
4 Shock
4 Skullcrack
4 Warleader’s Helix

Sideboard (15)
2 Chained to the Rocks
4 Firedrinker Satyr
1 Harness by Force
4 Satyr Firedancer
2 Stormbreath Dragon
2 Wear // Tear
[/deck]

I had no previous testing of Eidolon, but YP$ has just not been performing for me for the junk matchup. After last weekend open, I knew I wanted access to SFD so Eidolon seemed like a great fit.

R1: BG Devo (I am going to be refering to
the Mono Black with Green as BG Devo for this report) Lost 2-1.
I dug myself into some holes by playing out too many eidolon, as it was my first time using the card. Eidolon is very weak to them deciding to going all in on packrat. Lesson learned.

R2: BG Devo Won 2-0
Crushed him G1, and he missed a land drop in game 2 and I proceeded to curve out.

R3: Rakdos Aggro Won 2-1
Not much to say about this, double firedancers in G3.

R4: BG Devo Won 2-1
Everyone and their mothers were playing atleast 2-4 staffs in their SB, so I was always bringing in the 2 Wear//Tear no matter what.

R5: Burn Won 2-1
-2 Chains, +2 Wear

R6: Kendall Burdette (top 8 Knoxville open) on BG Devo. Won 2-0, he had to mull to 3 in g2.
He was wearing sunglasses for some reason and I could see every card in his hand off the reflection.

Heading into round 7 I was sitting in 7th place, unable to draw because my opponent would get bumped out.

R7: Burn Win 2-1
-2 Chain +2 Wear - Plays at my LGS, I know he has atleast 1
maybe 2 Blind Obedience in SBs.
Won G1, Lost G2. Won G3. In game 3 I went -4 Phoenix +4 SFD. I didn't want to play Phoenixs incase he hit a turn 2 BO, and I realized I never really like tapping out on t3. Turns out this won me the game.

Heading in to top 8 I was number 1 seed. For some reason the head judge decided not to do the play draw rule, which made no damn sense.

R8: R1 Top 8: Mono Black Win 2-1.
G1 I had to mull to 6 and missed 5 land drops.
G2-G3 Drew very well.

R9: Semis: BG Devo Win 2-0

R10: Finals BG Devo Win 2-1.

For all BG matches, my SB was -4 shock -2 searing blood -2 Boros charm -1 magma jet (sometimes -3 charm if I saw them keeping in Lifebane, i'd add the bloods back in) +2 chain +1 harness +2 wear +4 fds

Moving forward, I would probably change -1 Shock +1 Searing Blood in the MD. It's just SO much better in the mirror. Also, I found that when you get thoughtseized in g1, they are more likely to take searing blood over magma jet. In the SB, I would -1 Harness (I
never drew it all day, but was never in a situation where had I drawn it, I would of won...Much harder to hit 6 lands on 23 mana) +1 Chandra. Comes in for every matchup and is auto win in mirror (most burn players were on the SCG list, unless they were from my lgs and I told them what to play).

Eidolon is pretty amazing, don't think I'll ever go back to YP$. Simply because it doesn't allow for SFD in the SB.

We decided to split packs between the entire top 8, so I left with 21 packs, champ playmat, medal and Invitational Que. All in all good, long day! I was particularly impressed with myself losing round 1, and then battling back to win the next 9.

[Rhyno]

Awesome job, I bet that mirror match win-and-in felt great. Did you even cast the SFDs or did you just cast 0 creatures?

[Purp]

I actually went Eidolon t2, SFD on t3 keeping up red. he played phoenix triggering 2 from eidolon, I shocked him and triggered SFD to his phoenix. Then played a t4 eidolon. Felt good.

Also, Tear kills eidlon, which was another reason I like bringing it in.

[Lightning_Dolt]

I do like the list L_D posted in his article. I will likely run that with 3/3/3 Shock/Searing/Chains, cut the Banishing Light, and fill the empty sideboard slot with a Chandra. Stormbreath just might be enough to give me a chance against Monsters.

I actually like that idea quite a bit. However, I'm not sure Chandra is the card we're looking for. 8Orings.dec doesn't really care about her.

[Lightning_Dolt]

I actually went Eidolon t2, SFD on t3 keeping up red. he played phoenix triggering 2 from eidolon, I shocked him and triggered SFD to his phoenix. Then played a t4 eidolon. Felt good.

Also, Tear kills eidlon, which was another reason I like bringing it in.

Sorry purp, could you elaborate on your sb plan for the mirror?

[Purp]

Normally: -2 Chains -1 BL +1 Dragon +2 Wear Tear.
When My opponent has BO: -2 Chain -4 Phoenix +2 Wear +4 SFD

It't too hard to judge whats right or wrong, but I have decided that playing a phoenix on t3 is not usually where I want to be... It's bad when you are on the draw because they have free rain for WLH, and on the play I don't want to run it into a Searing Blood as most people playing burn are not on DtR 4 Shock 2 SB plan.

[BlakLanner]

Do you have a suggestion for that last sideboard slot then? For me, Chandra has proven to be quite a beating against all the aggro decks that have been popping up. I also like it as an extra source of advantage against control decks but I understand where you are coming from with the control decks.

[Purp]

Control decks arn't running more than 5 oring effects..... And they would be siding some out.

[magicdownunder]

@Purp

Firstly WELL DONE PURP!!!!

Eidolon is pretty amazing, don't think I'll ever go back to YP$. Simply because it doesn't allow for SFD in the SB.

This is the key reason why you'll go MD Eidolon over YP$ (I found it amusing how our thoughts mirror since I said the same thing last week when I was chatting with lazer and dauntless, though I just worded as "with 4x MD revel = 4x dancers in the must have SB").

I also strongly agree with cutting threaten for chandra, it seem more effective against more MUs.

Thanks dude, I read your article and then wrote down your sideboard plan which helped a lot!!!

The one thing I was unsure of was to side in Chains or not in the mirror match. It def lost me a game in the mirror that I lost when I drew into 2x chains and 1x banishing light on a mull to 6.

Are there varied opinions on siding that way for the mirror match or is bringing in chains considered 100% correct?

MDU sides out Chains and Phoenixes to try to level his opponents.

I don't give my opponents that much credit. I think they're generally going to leave in phoenixes and eidolons, so I'm good with the full set of chains. I also had an opponent bring in Aegis of the Gods .

I did however sideboard banishing light out for a 1 of shock, whick made me
happy. Maybe it's just correct to do that. Sure they may recur phoenixes, but you get to shoot vaults. I had literally never played a burn mirror before this weekend, so I defer to MDU.

Stormbreath Dragon did win vs burn everytime I drew it though. I'm a fan of that tech.

It depends information is key, I won't always board out chains and phoenixes.

I do dislike packing my 60 post board with stuff like 4x Chain, 1x BL and 2x W // T when you'll only have 8 targets (if they don't board it out) which can leave you in those uncomfortable positions where they're just one burn away while you have 3 removals in hand (I also count Searing blood a removal). Thus I usually play it safe G2 (cut phoenixes, only run 4 removals (2x Exile effects and 2x Searing blood) then change up on g3.

[Purp]

This list won Mississippi States...

[deck]

Creatures (8)

4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel

Lands (23)

5 Mountain
3 Mana Confluence
3 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Steam Vents
4 Temple of Triumph

Spells (29)

2 Chained to the Rocks
4 Boros Charm
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
4 Searing Blood
3 Shock
4 Skullcrack
4 Warleader's Helix

Sideboard
2 Chained to the Rocks
4 Satyr Firedancer
4 Swan Song
3 Wear
2 Harness by Force

[/deck]

Swan Song controls kill spells/counters only to searing blood them?

[Valdarith]

That interaction is cute at best and terrible at worst. Not a fan.

[Tyrael]

Well it won states

that is massive

[Valdarith]

That's actually not saying a lot. I'd say States events are below SCG Open events in terms of skill level, and we know how bad those lists can be.

[BlakLanner]

Except that SCG States were often held in places with lower seating capacity. I have heard a lot of people say that quite a few of them were <100 players. I do not know the exact size of the Mississippi event. It is still something to take note of but not as much as if it had won an Open or GP.

[Purp]

Let's not discuss whether or not the event was more or less competitive. A 75 player full of stacked players is harder to navigate then one of 150 randoms. Less rounds means the tie breakers matter a lot more. It's interesting tech none the less.

[dauntless268]

Purp and L_D - WELL DONE BOTH OF YOU!!!

looks like we've got a pretty successful team out here - makes me proud if being part of this group

Here's a few thoughts on Chandra in the SB, which I agree with most people it's very well positioned at the moment

Chandra vs. the mirror is VERY good IMO if we run Eidolon, because killing her often taxes the opposing player more than it would anyway do. Double burn her? No problem take four. WLH? OK, fair enough but you still need one more burn spell...

Chandra vs. Control is strong because we have so many targets for their BL/DSpheres (if
gotten my Eidolon D-Sphered quite a bit), plus we run Wear/Tear and/or BL ourselves

Chandra vs. Black Devo is better than last season, simply because with BL and Reprisal, we have more removal post-board for their DD. They still often side out HDF for cheaper removal spells, so it's an excellent threat to bring in.

[dauntless268]

R6: Kendall Burdette (top 8 Knoxville open) on BG Devo. Won 2-0, he had to mull to 3 in g2.
He was wearing sunglasses for some reason and I could see every card in his hand off the reflection.

I that, Purp. Did you actually mumble "hmmm, I don't know but you might have a XXX" which could have been fun after like the 8th time or so

[Khaospawn]

I'd much rather play Chandra in the main.

[Purp]

Chandra main is not very good, if Control or Black sees her in G1, they are more likely to keep DSpheres/HDF. G1 we want to be going for their face, not tapping out for a chandra. Post board it becomes much stronger when its a) unexpected b) they have sided out some number of answers

[Khaospawn]

Like, take out that singleton Banishing Light from the main, jam a Chandra instead.

And for what it's worth, I think Blind Obedience can still have a home this type of build as a singleton (maybe replacing the 1-of Harness by Force?). The extort can still be pretty powerful when trying to recoup some lifeloss from your own Eidolon. Am I just crazy for suggesting this?

[LaZerBurn]

Eidolon is pretty amazing, don't think I'll ever go back to YP$. Simply because it doesn't allow for SFD in the SB.

This is the key reason why you'll go MD Eidolon over YP$ (I found it amusing how our thoughts mirror since I said the same thing last week when I was chatting with lazer and dauntless, though I just worded as "with 4x MD revel = 4x dancers in the must have SB").

I totally agree with this

IMHO if you run Eidolon MD then you need 4
SFD in the SB. If you run YP in the MD then MM is a better SB choice than SFD.

[Khaospawn]

Chandra main is not very good, if Control or Black sees her in G1, they are more likely to keep DSpheres/HDF. G1 we want to be going for their face, not tapping out for a chandra. Post board it becomes much stronger when its a) unexpected b) they have sided out some number of answers

Purp, they're going to keep some of those in there anyway to deal with Phoenixes and other creatures.

[Purp]

Correct. But some will be taken out, which means they now have less answers to Chandra. If they use one of them on her, then thats one less that can be used on eidolon or phoenix.

[Lightning_Dolt]

My thoughts exactly re: chandra purp. I think dropping the BL for anothe Chain might be ok, but it has been pretty clutch at times.

[Lightning_Dolt]

Testing this moving forward:

[deck]Creatures:8
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
4 Chandra's Phoenix

Spells:29
3 Chained to the Rocks
3 Shock
4 Boros Charm
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
3 Searing Blood
4 Skullcrack
4 Warleader's Helix

Lands:23
2 Mana Confluence
9 Mountain
4 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph

Sideboard:15
1 Chained to the Rocks
4 Firedrinker Satyr
2 Wear // Tear
4 Satyr Firedancer
1 Harness by Force
1 Chandra, Pyromaster
2 Stormbreath Dragon[/deck]