The Boondocks Mafia (Town Win)

[imopen2]

I was high when I made that post, btw, if that wasnt clear. If nobody else thinks it's weird then ill just file it away for the end of the game to see if it was a coincidence or not

[Link]

Instead of Suga mislynch bait I'd really like to see a compelling reason from anyone why G_R is town

[Manders]

Kaze is pinging me..

Unvote
Vote: Kaze

dick ride manders much?

Ain't got one for him to ride.

But anyway, this is how I see it. Town wouldn't show up late, ask me if I planned on contributing to the game I had already been contributing to, and then utilize
their psychic powers to claim knowledge of my "plans to kill the town" by way of "Not... playing the game". I mean this is totes my first game for realzies, but that's pretty scummy.

Unvote: Kaze

Vote: Iso

omgus?
I seriously see why manders tried toget me blacklisted from mafia, this is really fucking annoying.

I love you, now, though!

Manders just curious, why would you be ambivelant to the idea of everyone posting before the day ends?

Because it's not Manderstory for everyone to post. It's optimal, yes, but say someone does something disastrously scummy in their second post. Why should we wait for everyone to post before
lynching scum and ending the Day, thus giving Scum LESS information to work with that night?

(This happened in a game I was in once. I don't remember which one, though. I replaced out of it and Seppel replaced in. Guardman was in it, too.)

Townie motivation: he's vanilla and trying to get scum to NK him at night. I've done it, and I'm sure he has, too.

And scum can sometimes willingfully murder vanillas to throw off people so it doesn't means much.

Oh, I'm aware of that. Iso or myself as Vanilla is just as dangerous for scum to keep around as an experienced vig (like Mogadishu Jones). But, I was just offering one example
of townie motivation since Stardust said he couldn't see any.

Iso is scum for breadcrumbing when town has no business doing so.

This, my dear, is the most ridiculous statement I have ever seen made regarding Iso. I have been in a ton of games with him. He breadcrumbs shit every time. Most of the time, he's lying about it, and is Town.

This is not a tell.

did you miss fate's lurking in plain site?
how about kaze's shitty defense against his wagon and his buttpain about it going on?
how do my reads not make sense given the context of the game?

Originally posted by N on MTGS

I don't think these conclusions were reached by a town mind attempting to
find scum. His narrative of events is internally inconsistent with town PoE. The motivation to list those people as scum is clear: Yannus wants to be able to flexibly commit to any of the above wagons, AND point to an earlier point in the game where he suspects any of the above as scum.

if this is true, why am I not in your lynch pool?

An excellent question.

2. Because I was waiting for his response to my accusations at the time.

Ok, let's see how he
responded to your accusations.

His first post after your accusation. He is responding to my question of why I'm voting for you. He didn't address your accusation, only that you made it. You respond with a vote on him. Why did his response warrant a vote more than the accusation itself? Your response to Stardust makes no sense.

Okay, look at his post after my accusation:

Is it because he asked Spam about his role and then accused me of role fishing? Or is it because he did a policy lynch even tho Wikipedia said not to? Either way I don't like having my joke vote mattering so ill Unvote
and then see what others have to say about Kaze

This shows to me that he is eager to attempt to show me in a poor light since I accused him.

How the fuck could you interpret it like this? He was answering a question I asked about you. I painted you in a poor light, and he was trying to determine why.

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This did not work, nor did the video Admin posted.

Anymore bright ideas?
(Seriously, this should be discussed OOG. I'll head over to technical issues after this.)

"What about this post specifically. You believe Kaze when he says it was meant to be a trap?"

No, actually, I think that was a line of crock that he came up with because he felt pressured.
The "<3" was clearly forced but he's obviously trying to keep a cool there. Kaze said he played once before, and it was as scum, right? So as someone who saw Teia's transition from "first game scum" to "second game town" and had absolutely no concept of how to play the game as town afterwards, do you not see similarities here?

Why are you so willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this? Isn't it just as likely that he actually IS scum for the reasons we've provided than he's just failing at learning to play as Town?

That's because you don't know my role.

Shut the fuck up about your goddamn role, Batman.

I am not. I have not played many games of mafia, but the only time someone has said "leaning town" about me, was on that game I didn't finish in the ML, and it is the only time I have been scum. I even said pre-game that people would call me scummy. Story of my mafia life. I AM posting far more than what I expected, though.

Can I get a T/S list from you? As well, what is your stance on a name claim?

Shouldn't it be night 1 by now or did I miss something?

This made no sense until you explained it. Yeah, we don't have a deadline, yet. D1 this way usually lasts about a month.

If I had to bet money, Kaze and Manders are both scum. G_R, Nuwen and I are the obvious townies at this point.

Reasons would be nice.

vote: rezombad

Seems fairly straight-forward today.

Let's all just hold our horses for a gosh darned minute! The day has barely started, a
number of the folks have yet to post, and you call this "fairly-straight forward"?

unvote
vote: DroppinSuga

How is it not "fairly-straight forward"? What does the inactivity of other players have to do with whether he is scum or not?

To answer your first question, I've never seen a random vote generator vote lead to a straight forward lynch let alone any lynch (I've played ~10 games and know the law quite well).

HEY, YANNI! HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THIS HAPPEN? I did this, to Yanni, in Stick It Mafia. It's happened before.

To answer your second question, Suga's vote was very opportunistic at that stage of the game since many players had yet to post. It's like he wanted to get on a wagon with the least amount of effort.

What?! No, this still doesn't make any sense to me. What does the amount of people who have posted have to do with the amount of effort it takes to
vote someone?

Three players still have yet to post. I want to meet all of my neighbors before the day ends!

Why are you so concerned about this?

I get scared when I'm alone. I could drop the soap and call out for help and nobody would find me until my booty was irrevocably harmed! But also I can't read someone if they post absolutely nothing. And that's almost as bad as dropping the soap! I refuse to drop the town's soap!

Holy fuck, stop roleplaying. It's annoying and pointless.
Anyway, you don't need to read EVERYONE Day 1. You can't lynch everyone D1, so it's ok if a couple people slip by with
little to no posting, as happens in EVERY. GAME. EVER. Granted some of them will be scum, but still, you CANNOT lynch them all D1. There are more days. They can wait.

I don't understand the case on Kaze and zombad is scum.

Whoa there, you're a mafia veteran and you can't understand why there's a wagon on Kaze? I mean not voting him is one thing but to not even claim to understand why he's getting voted after his rolefishing comment?

unvote
vote Iso

While I agree it's odd for him to claim he doesn't understand the wagon, I don't think it warrants a vote. Why do you?

He’
s a veteran so for him to show up and claim to not understand Kaze’s wagon felt disingenuous. In his first major post he didn’t even touch upon the 6-vote wagon at the time. He tried to ignore it, but when pressed, chose to then dismiss it. What do you make of that?

This is where being personally acquainted with someone can come in handy. I happen to know that Iso has a lot on his plate IRL atm. It is completely understandable to me for him to overlook what Kaze did. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this. He's done nothing else to make me think he might be scum.

I still believe a wagon on him D1 is pointless. He won't be lynched.[/quote:
1s50sggo]

I hate, perhaps too strong a word from a guy like me, when people say that day 1 wagons on experienced players are pointless. They're not pointless when the player is acting scummy.

They are pointless when the player is not scummy enough to warrant a lynch. Iso is a high-quality player. I will not lynch him D1 regardless of how scummy he seems because he ALWAYS seems scummy. There are other players who, undoubtedly, feel the same way, and yet more players who can be persuaded to side with me. We could find out if I can persuade enough, this is true, but chances are I will, and all that time will have been for naught. Wasted.

I'm telling you. Leave Iso for later.

If I had to bet money, Kaze and Manders are both scum. G_R, Nuwen and I are the obvious townies at this point.

nFor someone who continues to assert that he's town, I've seen nothing townie coming from you at all.

Agreed.

I haven't read the last 8-10 posts yet but does anyone else find it weird that yanni, suga, and spambolic all just posted within 10 mins of each other with a lot to say? I have been known to get a bit paranoid when I smoke that nigga weed but this seems like a meeting of the minds to me

This is either supremely paranoid or completely faked so people will be all "Oh, he doesn't have access to scum chat, so he can't be scum!"

Wanna know what I think?

This shows me that you know scum have Day-Chat. (Read it again, people, there's no waffling in his wording on whether or not the scum are ABLE to talk to each other during the day.) Something you can't possibly know unless you
are scum.

In fact, I'm now more sure that you are scum than Kaze.

Unvote Vote: imopen2

Okay. DroppinSuga has been acting weird lately.

He's asserted his towniness on a couple occasions, he's happily provided votes with no explanation, he's being very tight-lipped and mysterious. And I believe this is a ruse.

DroppinSuga is purposely acting scummy. Not scummy enough to get lynched, but get perhaps get night targeted? Notice how eager he is to end the day without a lynch. An experienced player - as he has professed to be - wouldn't attempt such a thing as a day one No Lynch in anything but MyLo. Any player worth their salt would know that you need a flip to work off of. I believe DroppinSuga has a role that enacts when he is targeted at night, so he is
eager to bring the night and get targeted.

Be fucking weary, people.

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

Unvote

Proxy vote to Nuwen

I highly dislike that you just gave away your vote. Why would you do that? What if she is scum?

This doesn't make sense to me...why would the meta result in no day one lynch? Can someone explain why that would happen in any mafia meta?

This can be discussed after the game or in another part of the sub-forum if G_D says it's ok. Let's not discuss it here.

I believe him, though. I know there are places like that.

[Manders]

Instead of Suga mislynch bait I'd really like to see a compelling reason from anyone why G_R is town

You have the burden of proof. Why do you think he is scum?

[rezombad]

Catching up.

[Nuwen]

DroppingSuga has given me his vote and people want to LYNCH him afterwards?

Suga, you'll probably have to follow my vote manually unless the mod allows us to invent the proxy mechanic.

I'll break down the dichotomy for you guys,

• As town:
  
  Suga seems disinterested in the game. He's not really sure about the setup, rules, or ongoing events. When questioned, he's probably not going to respond in a way that clues us into his alignment. His vote has a dartboard's chance of hitting scum.
  
  He wants to approach night phase because the game's he's played in prior focus on deductive power puzzles and not day play.
  
  But now his vote is mine. There's a reason town doublevoter is a serious power. Consolidating the town's day play is the fastest way to catch scum without getting distracted.
• As scum:
  
  Suga
  seems disinterested in the game. He's not really sure about the setup, rules, or ongoing events.
  
  Is this a ruse? List the advantages and disadvantages of drawing attention to yourself as scum. "The nail that sticks out will be hammered."
  
  But even if Suga is definitely-beyond-all-doubt-scum, his vote is MINE. That would be one less vote to mislynch town, one less vote to chainsaw for a buddy, and one MORE vote dedicated to ousting the real scum terrorists.

This is an example of a win-win situation. The only way you introduce negative outcome is by lynching my 2nd vote before I make good use of it.

I'm also not surprised by the people hoppin' Suga here: Yannus is scum.

~~~

Fate, the foundation for a voting block is already laid. You should get in here and spitball.

[Manders]

Also, if you have not stated whether you are for or against a name claim, please do so.

---

Name Claim Responses:

I'm fine with a name claim.

Sure?

I'm fine with a name claim.

Sentiment shared.[/
quote]

I don't see what it would accomplish, but I'm not opposed.

[*]A name claim is spurious. I expect every quality setup to provide scum with reasonable safe/fake-claims, so early reveals only serve to give scum an idea of which powers to nightkill via flavor. See my point about signal:noise horseshit.

As for the name-claim: I'm perfectly fine with this since I've basically already done it. I'm not sure if we will catch any scum from it but I don't
agree that it will hurt us either..

I'm actually pretty fine with one too for the first time in a while.

[Manders]

DroppingSuga has given me his vote and people want to LYNCH him afterwards?

Suga, you'll probably have to follow my vote manually unless the mod allows us to invent the proxy mechanic.

I'll break down the dichotomy for you guys,

• As town:
  
  Suga seems disinterested in the game. He's not really sure about the setup, rules, or ongoing events. When questioned, he's probably not going to respond in a way that clues us into his alignment. His vote has a dartboard's chance of hitting scum.
  
  He wants to approach night phase because the game's he's played in prior focus on deductive power puzzles and not day play.
  
  But now his vote is mine. There's a reason town doublevoter
  is a serious power. Consolidating the town's day play is the fastest way to catch scum without getting distracted.
• As scum:
  
  Suga seems disinterested in the game. He's not really sure about the setup, rules, or ongoing events.
  
  Is this a ruse? List the advantages and disadvantages of drawing attention to yourself as scum. "The nail that sticks out will be hammered."
  
  But even if Suga is definitely-beyond-all-doubt-scum, his vote is MINE. That would be one less vote to mislynch town, one less vote to chainsaw for a buddy, and one MORE vote dedicated to ousting the real scum terrorists.

This is an example of a win-win situation. The only way you introduce negative outcome is by lynching my 2nd vote before I make good use of it.

I'm also not surprised by the people hoppin' Suga here: Yannus is scum.

~~~

Fate, the foundation for a voting
block is already laid. You should get in here and spitball.

I highly doubt that g_d will allow proxy. I wouldn't. I would make him vote manually. Why would you trust someone you know nothing about to follow you blindly?

[Nuwen]

Instead of Suga mislynch bait I'd really like to see a compelling reason from anyone why G_R is town

You have the burden of proof. Why do you think he is scum?

LOL

[( G_R )]

Cute post Nuwen. But all of that is assuming that YOU are town. And we don't know that for a fact.

[Link]

I don't know how to play mafia without a reputation backing me anymore nuwen, its been too long.

I'll wait for the flips to happen, me to proven right, and then people will sheep with minimum effort again

[Nuwen]

That's pretty lame. Your laziness is going to put a bullet in my brain.

[Stardust]

What recent events are you referring to here?

The whole "when is day 1 ending even tho ive barely contributed ok now im going to vote to end day 1" thing that suga just pulled.

Up until then you were voting for Kaze. Would you consider him town at this point? Basically, I'm not asking about your vote on Suga, I'm asking about your unvote on Kaze (since you didn't immediately vote Suga when you unvoted).

Instead of Suga mislynch bait I'd really like to see a compelling reason from anyone why G_R is town

What I'd really like to see is you commenting on basically anything at all. If you want to turn the discussion back to G_R, you might try turning it into a discussion.

Cute post Nuwen. But all of that is assuming that YOU are town. And we don't know that for a fact.

Manders asked you for a T/S list. I'd like to back up that request.

[( G_R )]

I somehow missed that request in that post. I really dislike huge posts.

In order of OP:

1. imopen2 - I'm startin to lean scum on him, after the post of his I mentioned above
2. Iso - I always have a hard time reading Iso. He's not someone you make your mind about on D1
3. Manders - Same thing, though I'm getting town reads from you.
4. Yanni - neutral, slightly leaning town
5. Stardust - leaning town
6. dee_tot2* - who and where the fuck is this guy?
7. Nuwen - leaning town
8. G_R - guy plays scummy as town since ever.
9. Kazekirimaru - scum
10. DroppinSuga - Neutral to scum
11. Fate - Iunno
12. Rezombad - pretty much disappeard after a while. Leaning scum, I still want to look at him post more.
13. Lord_McDonalds - Much
absent to say.
14. TomServo - I'm gonna go ahead and say that knowing Tom from outside mafia, if he was scum he'd be more into the game. But we'll see.
15. Spambolic - We need more spam from him.
16. Col. Khaddafi - I'm always suspicious of him after our first game of mafia together. Needs to post more, and be questioned more.

If you ask me for a scum team, I might say Kaze, Rezombad and Khaddafi, but it's too premature.

I'm cool with a name claim, might even change my avvy to my character after we do that.

[rezombad]

[quote="[url=viewtopic.php?p=90763#p90763:18ukd4ji]Stardust » Tue Aug 20, 2013 2:43 pm[/url:18ukd4ji]":18ukd4ji]
[b:18ukd4ji]rezombad![/b:18ukd4ji] What do you think of Kaze, Iso, ( G_R ) and Manders? Please show your work. Additionally, is there anyone besides Suga (or those four) that you suspect may be scum?[/quote:18ukd4ji]

Sorry it took me a while, I wanted to reread some people posts.

And I'm sorry if your name isn't here, bring it up to me if you feel left out.

Might Not Be Scum
------------------
G_R: [I like his short posts. They seems to be town oriented and to the point.]

Manders: [Something about her posts just kind of bugs me, maybe it's the commanding nature, im not sure. But I honestly have no idea]

Nuwen: [i dunno, lol]

Stardust: [He's got some good ideas in those fucking gigantic tomes called posts]

col khadafi: [Low posts
give me almost no idea, wait and see I guess]

Kaze: [I know why people would vote for him from the beginning thing. But I don't know that it makes him scum or just stupid? Also he uses a lot of acronyms.]



They Might Be GiantScum
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imopen2: [smoke weed e'eryday]

Suga: [I don't know what his game is, but its not the same game as mine]

Iso: [I don't like that he didnt understand why people were voting for kaze. I can accept the statement:'I havn't seen Kaze do anything anti town,' as experience. But to say "I don't understand the case on Kaze" seems odd to me at least]

Fate: [While I like things short and to the point, I don't know what his game is. His posts scream 'LISTEN TO ME', but don't have any reasoning. Which is his perogative, I just dont like it.]

Tom Servo: [Contributions are minimal at best]

lord mcdonald: [posting about people posting about not having time to respond with spam]

[imopen2]

[quote="[url=viewtopic.php?p=90978#p90978:1qlyzhs0]Manders » Wed Aug 21, 2013 4:58 pm[/url:1qlyzhs0]":1qlyzhs0]

[quote="[url=viewtopic.php?p=90812#p90812:1qlyzhs0]imopen2 » Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:32 pm[/url:1qlyzhs0]":1qlyzhs0]I haven't read the last 8-10 posts yet but does anyone else find it weird that yanni, suga, and spambolic all just posted within 10 mins of each other with a lot to say? I have been known to get a bit paranoid when I smoke that nigga weed but this seems like a meeting of the minds to me[/quote:1qlyzhs0]
This is either supremely paranoid or completely faked so people will be all "Oh, he doesn't have access to scum chat, so he can't be scum!"

Wanna know what I think?

This shows me that you know scum have Day-Chat. (Read it again, people, there's no waffling in his wording on whether
or not the scum are ABLE to talk to each other during the day.) Something you can't possibly know unless you are scum.

In fact, I'm now more sure that you are scum than Kaze.

[color=#8000FF:1qlyzhs0][b:1qlyzhs0]Unvote Vote: imopen2[/b:1qlyzhs0][/color:1qlyzhs0][/quote:1qlyzhs0]

God quoting these walls on the iPhone sucks.

I'm not sure if you had some trouble reading my post yourself but that seems to be going on a lot in this game. I never said they definitely are scum, or even that scum can definitely talk during the day (I actually don't know the rules about this in mafia and I guess I assumed that scum could always discuss strategy but maybe there are exceptions), I merely asked people's opinion on whether this was weird to them or not. I wasn't saying "LYNCH ALL THREE OF THEM NOW!!!" I said it struck me as weird, and while I may be paranoid due to my lack of sobriety, it "seems" like too much of a coincidence.

[Yannaria]

I haven't read the last 8-10 posts yet but does anyone else find it weird that yanni, suga, and spambolic all just posted within 10 mins of each other with a lot to say? I have been known to get a bit paranoid when I smoke that nigga weed but this seems like a meeting of the minds to me

evidence? or are you just throwing something out to see if it sticks?

I guess my evidence would be the time stamps on their posts...? I'm not
sure what you're looking for here

seeing what sticks, got ya.
fos imopen2

[Yannaria]

manders what's a stick it mafia

[Yannaria]

NUWEN ANSWER MY FUCKING QUESTION

[Yannaria]

Kaze is pinging me..

Unvote
Vote: Kaze

dick ride manders much?

Ain't got one for him to ride.

But
anyway, this is how I see it. Town wouldn't show up late, ask me if I planned on contributing to the game I had already been contributing to, and then utilize their psychic powers to claim knowledge of my "plans to kill the town" by way of "Not... playing the game". I mean this is totes my first game for realzies, but that's pretty scummy.

Unvote: Kaze

Vote: Iso

omgus?
I seriously see why manders tried toget me blacklisted from mafia, this is really fucking annoying.

I love you, now, though!

Manders just curious, why would you be ambivelant to the idea of everyone posting before the day ends?

Because it's not Manderstory for
everyone to post. It's optimal, yes, but say someone does something disastrously scummy in their second post. Why should we wait for everyone to post before lynching scum and ending the Day, thus giving Scum LESS information to work with that night?

(This happened in a game I was in once. I don't remember which one, though. I replaced out of it and Seppel replaced in. Guardman was in it, too.)

Townie motivation: he's vanilla and trying to get scum to NK him at night. I've done it, and I'm sure he has, too.

And scum can sometimes willingfully murder vanillas to throw off people so it doesn't means much.

Oh, I'm aware of
that. Iso or myself as Vanilla is just as dangerous for scum to keep around as an experienced vig (like Mogadishu Jones). But, I was just offering one example of townie motivation since Stardust said he couldn't see any.

Iso is scum for breadcrumbing when town has no business doing so.

This, my dear, is the most ridiculous statement I have ever seen made regarding Iso. I have been in a ton of games with him. He breadcrumbs shit every time. Most of the time, he's lying about it, and is Town.

This is not a tell.

did you miss fate's lurking in plain site?
how about kaze's shitty defense against his wagon and his buttpain about it going on?
how
do my reads not make sense given the context of the game?

Originally posted by N on MTGS

I don't think these conclusions were reached by a town mind attempting to find scum. His narrative of events is internally inconsistent with town PoE. The motivation to list those people as scum is clear: Yannus wants to be able to flexibly commit to any of the above wagons, AND point to an earlier point in the game where he suspects any of the above as scum.

if this is true, why am I not in your lynch pool?

An excellent question.

2. Because I was waiting for his response to my accusations at the time.

Ok, let's see how he responded to your accusations.

His first post after your accusation. He is responding to my question of why I'm voting for you. He didn't address your accusation, only that you made it. You respond with a vote on him. Why did his response warrant a vote more than the accusation itself? Your response to Stardust makes no sense.

Okay, look at his post after my accusation:

Is it because he asked Spam about his role and then accused me of role fishing? Or is
it because he did a policy lynch even tho Wikipedia said not to? Either way I don't like having my joke vote mattering so ill Unvote and then see what others have to say about Kaze

This shows to me that he is eager to attempt to show me in a poor light since I accused him.

How the fuck could you interpret it like this? He was answering a question I asked about you. I painted you in a poor light, and he was trying to determine why.

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This did not work, nor did the video Admin posted.

Anymore bright ideas?
(Seriously, this should be discussed OOG. I'll head over to technical issues after this.)

"What about this post
specifically. You believe Kaze when he says it was meant to be a trap?"

No, actually, I think that was a line of crock that he came up with because he felt pressured. The "<3" was clearly forced but he's obviously trying to keep a cool there. Kaze said he played once before, and it was as scum, right? So as someone who saw Teia's transition from "first game scum" to "second game town" and had absolutely no concept of how to play the game as town afterwards, do you not see similarities here?

Why are you so willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this? Isn't it just as likely that he actually IS scum for the reasons we've provided than he's just failing at learning to play as Town?

That's because you don't know my role.

Shut the fuck up about your goddamn role, Batman.

I am not. I have not played many games of mafia, but the only time someone has said "leaning town" about me, was on that game I didn't finish in the ML, and it is the only time I have been scum. I even said pre-game that people would call me scummy. Story of my mafia life. I AM posting far more than what I expected, though.

Can I get a T/S list from you? As well, what is your stance on a name claim?

Shouldn't it be night 1 by now or did I miss something?

This made no sense until you explained it. Yeah, we don't have a deadline, yet. D1 this way usually
lasts about a month.

If I had to bet money, Kaze and Manders are both scum. G_R, Nuwen and I are the obvious townies at this point.

Reasons would be nice.

[b:
1fyeevmo]vote: rezombad[/b]

Seems fairly straight-forward today.

Let's all just hold our horses for a gosh darned minute! The day has barely started, a number of the folks have yet to post, and you call this "fairly-straight forward"?

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vote: DroppinSuga

How is it not "fairly-straight forward"? What does the inactivity of other players have to do with whether he is scum or not?

To answer your first question, I've never seen a random vote generator vote lead to a straight forward lynch let alone any lynch (I've played ~10 games and know the law quite well).

HEY, YANNI! HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THIS HAPPEN? I did this, to Yanni, in Stick It Mafia. It's happened before.

To answer your second question, Suga's vote was very opportunistic at that stage of the game since many players had yet to post. It's like he wanted to get on a wagon with the least
amount of effort.

What?! No, this still doesn't make any sense to me. What does the amount of people who have posted have to do with the amount of effort it takes to vote someone?

Three players still have yet to post. I want to meet all of my neighbors before the day ends!

Why are you so concerned about this?

I get scared when I'm alone. I could drop the soap and call out for help and nobody would find me until my booty was irrevocably harmed! But also I can't read someone if they post absolutely nothing. And that's almost as bad as dropping the soap! I refuse to drop the town's soap!

nHoly fuck, stop roleplaying. It's annoying and pointless.
Anyway, you don't need to read EVERYONE Day 1. You can't lynch everyone D1, so it's ok if a couple people slip by with little to no posting, as happens in EVERY. GAME. EVER. Granted some of them will be scum, but still, you CANNOT lynch them all D1. There are more days. They can wait.

I don't understand the case on Kaze and zombad is scum.

Whoa there, you're a mafia veteran and you can't understand why there's a wagon on Kaze? I mean not voting him is one thing but to not even claim to understand why he's getting voted after his rolefishing comment?

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nvote Iso

While I agree it's odd for him to claim he doesn't understand the wagon, I don't think it warrants a vote. Why do you?

He’s a veteran so for him to show up and claim to not understand Kaze’s wagon felt disingenuous. In his first major post he didn’t even touch upon the 6-vote wagon at the time. He tried to ignore it, but when pressed, chose to then dismiss it. What do you make of that?

This is where being personally acquainted with someone can come in handy. I happen to know that Iso has a lot on his plate IRL atm. It is completely understandable to me for him to overlook what Kaze did. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this. He's done nothing else to make me think he might be scum.

I still believe a wagon on him D1 is pointless. He won't be lynched.

I hate, perhaps too strong a word from a guy like me, when people say that day 1 wagons on experienced players are pointless. They're not pointless when the player is acting scummy.

They are pointless when the player is not scummy enough to warrant a lynch. Iso is a high-quality player. I will not lynch him D1 regardless of how scummy he seems because he ALWAYS seems scummy. There are other players who, undoubtedly, feel the same way, and yet more players who can be persuaded to side with me. We could find out if I can persuade enough, this is true, but chances are I will, and all that time will have been for naught. Wasted.

I'm telling you. Leave Iso for later.

If I had to bet money, Kaze and Manders are both scum. G_R, Nuwen and I are the obvious townies at this point.

For someone who continues to assert that he's town, I've seen nothing townie coming from you at all.

Agreed.

I haven't read the last 8-10 posts yet but does anyone else find it weird that yanni, suga, and spambolic all just posted within 10 mins of each other with a lot to say? I have been known to get a bit paranoid when I smoke that nigga weed but this seems like a meeting of the minds to me

This is either supremely paranoid or completely faked so people will be all "Oh, he doesn't have access to scum chat, so he can't be scum!"

Wanna know what I think?

This shows me that you know scum have Day-Chat. (
Read it again, people, there's no waffling in his wording on whether or not the scum are ABLE to talk to each other during the day.) Something you can't possibly know unless you are scum.

In fact, I'm now more sure that you are scum than Kaze.

Unvote Vote: imopen2

Okay. DroppinSuga has been acting weird lately.

He's asserted his towniness on a couple occasions, he's happily provided votes with no explanation, he's being very tight-lipped and mysterious. And I believe this is a ruse.

DroppinSuga is purposely acting scummy. Not scummy enough to get lynched, but get perhaps get night targeted? Notice how eager he is to end the day without a lynch. An experienced player - as he has professed to be - wouldn't attempt such a thing as a day one No Lynch in
anything but MyLo. Any player worth their salt would know that you need a flip to work off of. I believe DroppinSuga has a role that enacts when he is targeted at night, so he is eager to bring the night and get targeted.

Be fucking weary, people.

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

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Proxy vote to Nuwen

I highly dislike that you just gave away your vote. Why would you do that? What if she is scum?

This doesn't make sense to me...why would the meta result in no day one lynch? Can someone explain why that would happen in any mafia meta?

This can be discussed
after the game or in another part of the sub-forum if G_D says it's ok. Let's not discuss it here.

I believe him, though. I know there are places like that.

#dickridemanders'strapon2013

unvote vote imopen2

[imopen2]

I haven't read the last 8-10 posts yet but does anyone else find it weird that yanni, suga, and spambolic all just posted within 10 mins of each other with a lot to say? I have been known to get a bit paranoid when I smoke that nigga weed but this seems like a meeting of the minds to me

nevidence? or are you just throwing something out to see if it sticks?

I guess my evidence would be the time stamps on their posts...? I'm not sure what you're looking for here

seeing what sticks, got ya.
fos imopen2

Sure...because posts asking for opinions about out of the ordinary behavior with valid evidence to back up a suspicion and that I did not follow with a vote or anything is pretty terrible and I should feel bad. I like how no one has felt the need to address what I actually said, they have taken to picking apart the wording of someone who was high out of their mind.

[Stardust]

I somehow missed that request in that post. I really dislike huge posts.

Thanks, and sorry in advance for the huge posts I will continue to make.

What games have you been in in the past? MM3, MM4 and MM5 I know.

[Yannaria]

I haven't read the last 8-10 posts yet but does anyone else find it weird that yanni, suga, and spambolic all just posted within 10 mins of each other
with a lot to say? I have been known to get a bit paranoid when I smoke that nigga weed but this seems like a meeting of the minds to me

evidence? or are you just throwing something out to see if it sticks?

I guess my evidence would be the time stamps on their posts...? I'm not sure what you're looking for here

seeing what sticks, got ya.
fos imopen2

Sure...because posts asking for opinions about out of the ordinary behavior with valid evidence to back up a suspicion and that I did not follow with a vote or anything is pretty terrible and I should feel bad. I like how no one has felt the need to address what I actually said, they have taken to picking apart the wording of someone who was high out of their mind.

how is it out of the ordinary behavior

[Manders]

I don't know how to play mafia without a reputation backing me anymore nuwen, its been too long.

I'll wait for the flips to happen, me to proven right, and then people will sheep with minimum effort again

If you're looking for sheep to fuck, you should head to a farm. You won't find them here.

God quoting these walls on the iPhone sucks.

Then don't quote them. It's not that hard.

I'm not sure if you had some trouble reading my post yourself but that seems to be going on a lot in
this game. I never said they definitely are scum, or even that scum can definitely talk during the day (I actually don't know the rules about this in mafia and I guess I assumed that scum could always discuss strategy but maybe there are exceptions), I merely asked people's opinion on whether this was weird to them or not. I wasn't saying "LYNCH ALL THREE OF THEM NOW!!!" I said it struck me as weird, and while I may be paranoid due to my lack of sobriety, it "seems" like too much of a coincidence.

Attacking your attacker. Classic.

Read me response again. Your statement came from the mindset of someone who knows scum are able to chat during day. I never said you said any of that. I'm commenting on what you DIDN'T say, and what you said between the lines. This is the psychological analyzing I was talking about earlier.

[Manders]

manders what's a stick it mafia

That basic by dropkickdude where you got ass-raped by LairyFights in a Hawaiian accent.

[Yannaria]

manders what's a stick it mafia

That basic by dropkickdude where you got ass-raped by LairyFights in a Hawaiian accent.

lol back in the Weaver days of mafia holy shit that was a while ago.

anyway, back to the game.
HEY NUWEN IN CASE YOU DIDN'T SEE IT, ANSWER MY QUESTION. IF MY POST COMES FORM A SCUM MIND SET WHY AM I NOT IN YUOUR LYNCH POOL

[imopen2]

I don't know how to play mafia without a reputation backing me anymore nuwen, its been too long.

I'll wait for the flips to happen, me to proven right, and then people will sheep with minimum effort again

If you're looking for sheep to fuck, you should head to a farm. You won't find them here.

God quoting these walls on the iPhone sucks.

Then don't quote them. It's not that hard.

[quote:
9a8q47dn]I'm not sure if you had some trouble reading my post yourself but that seems to be going on a lot in this game. I never said they definitely are scum, or even that scum can definitely talk during the day (I actually don't know the rules about this in mafia and I guess I assumed that scum could always discuss strategy but maybe there are exceptions), I merely asked people's opinion on whether this was weird to them or not. I wasn't saying "LYNCH ALL THREE OF THEM NOW!!!" I said it struck me as weird, and while I may be paranoid due to my lack of sobriety, it "seems" like too much of a coincidence.

Attacking your attacker. Classic.

Read me response again. Your statement came from the mindset of someone who knows scum are able to chat during day. I never said you said any of that. I'm commenting on what you DIDN'T say, and what you said between the lines. This is the psychological analyzing I was talking
about earlier.[/quote]

It came from the mindset of someone who assumed that scum can talk to each other freely in every game of mafia. Is that not the case?

[imopen2]

The thing that sucks about mafia is that people will be making terrible reads on you and then when you flip town they will say it was you who was bad. Some people need to get the strap on out of their ass and slow their roll a bit

[Nuwen]

manders what's a stick it mafia

That basic by dropkickdude where you got ass-raped by LairyFights in a Hawaiian accent.

lol back in the Weaver days of mafia holy shit that was a while ago.

anyway, back to the game.
HEY NUWEN IN CASE YOU DIDN'T SEE IT, ANSWER MY QUESTION. IF MY POST COMES FORM A SCUM MIND SET WHY AM I
NOT IN YUOUR LYNCH POOL

Are you... volunteering? Go for it.

[Yannaria]

what the fuck kind of answer is that

[Nuwen]

Yannus had the opportunity to prove himself town before joining the death list. Like, that should be fairly obvious. I'm not usually willing to break focus on one scum to actively chase another, and misbehaving town usually benefit from the extra time to do town things.

Allow me to link you to a fascinating game where scum fixates on MY QUESTION MY QUESTION ANSWER IT and implode in a similar manner. You can tell it's a ploy because the QUESTION QUESTION QUESTION isn't particularly significant or telling, the scum just uses it as a platform to act like indignant town.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p4030826
http://forum.mafiascum.net/
viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4031069

[( G_R )]

@Stardust: I played in Clan mafia back when [the Gang] was still around. Somehow managed to acheive MVP status. And then there was Adventure Time mafia.

No spell checker on this BB phone, forgive any mistakes in my Inglish.

[Iso]

But I'll defer to your judgment.

Why would you do that?

It's not something I've paid a lot of attention to so I'm going to presume you know what you're talking about, as you're the one who brought it up. Usually, I just punish new players with trial by fire but I've been trying to move past that lately.

I don't think anything about G_R and imopen, but the DroppingSuga request for a nolynch at the end of day
one doesn't sit well with me. Not that it automatically means he is scum, but usually you always lynch someone otherwise it sets you back as town so...

On a more positive note this day one is picking up, glad we're done quickly with the RVS

Why aren't you scumhunting? Who are you voting for?

To answer earlier questions: I've never played in a game that doesn't have a set time limit for each phase. The way we played at HCR is that each day phase was either 24 or 48 hours. That's what caused my confusion. Our meta also didn't include many day one lynches. Let me get used to the meta here and I won't come off as such a scummy bastard.

Didn't you just say you were obvtown? What happened?
Plan on answering my questions?

I disagree with your proxy of your vote to Nuwen. Why don't you want to be held accountable for your own votes? Why would you just sheep Nuwen's request?

Instead of Suga mislynch bait I'd really like to see a compelling reason from anyone why G_R is town

I don't have any.

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@Manders:

"Why are you so willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this? Isn't it just as likely that he actually IS scum for the reasons we've provided than he's just failing at learning to play as Town?"

At this point, it's gut combined with my interpretation of his mindset.


"They are pointless when the player is not scummy enough to warrant a lynch. Iso is a high-quality player. I will not lynch him D1 regardless of how scummy he seems because he ALWAYS seems scummy. There are
other players who, undoubtedly, feel the same way, and yet more players who can be persuaded to side with me. We could find out if I can persuade enough, this is true, but chances are I will, and all that time will have been for naught. Wasted. "

Iso is a high-quality player that always seems scummy! I'm so good at Mafia that everyone thinks I'm scum, is that how that works?

-

I again disagree with Nuwen's stances on theory. I can tell we're going to be butting heads all game.

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@Stardust: I know that G_R was in CCMVI.

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imopen, if you behave like scum, expect to get lynched. This is just an awful defense. If the push is bad, then explain why.

If imopen somehow reaches claim range before Suga, then I'
m willing to send my vote his way pending the claim.

[DroppinSuga]

"Didn't you just say you were obvtown? What happened? Plan on answering my questions?"

I'm obvy town, but to you folks, I'm coming off as scummy for not knowing the rules. When you play with 24 hour time limits for phases, it makes the day phases a bit different then what's played here. That's all.

"I disagree with your proxy of your vote to Nuwen. Why don't you want to be held accountable for your own votes? Why would you just sheep Nuwen's request?"

You can disagree all you want, but I'm willing to proxy my vote to her because I feel as though she's an obvious townie and I can trust my vote with her. I feel like her line of thinking is in line with mine in this game, so it's not going to hurt anything to leave my vote with her (if it's allowed). If the proxy is not allowed, I also have no problem placing my vote.

[imopen2]

I'm not quoting all that crap on my phone.

@iso: I fail to see how I am acting scummy. I made an observation, no one responded to the idea, instead manders chose to (incorrectly) make assumptions about my state of mind and what it means to the game, and then yanni barned to her.

[Stardust]

I've never met anyway who assumed mafia had day chat. Mafia act at night. This is the normal assumption. Manders is right, the fact that you assumed the opposite is suspicious.

[imopen2]

I've never met anyway who assumed mafia had day chat. Mafia act at night. This is the normal assumption. Manders is right, the fact that you assumed the opposite is suspicious.

Hi stardust, I don't think we've met, my name is imopen2, and this is my second game of mafia. I've never been scum so I don't know how they operate.

[Link]

really. we're giving a shit about day chat "slips"

[Kazekirimaru]

really. we're giving a shit about day chat "slips"

When the fuck are you going to do something productive, Fate?

@imopen2: seriously, being high/drunk is not a fucking excuse for scumminess. So stop hiding behind your bottles and smokeclouds.

@DroppinSuga: Your vote is the most powerful thing you have as a townie, why the hell would you proxy it so easily?

@Kaze: Night targeted by what, exactly? A Cop? A Vig? Why are you directing power roles? Remind me who you're voting for right now and why?

Targeted by anyone. The targeter isn't the point.
I'm voting Suga because he's a scumdumpster. I'm not directing power roles. I'm stating opinions.

Are you asking me if I believe Nuwen's post was town or scum motivated? Because I believe it to be the former. But she was such an enigmatic player towards the beginning I held her as null until she started opening up analytically.

Okay, cool. Can you elaborate a bit? What exactly is town motivated about it? What was she thinking at the time?

Simply put, I believe Nuwen thought Iso was intentionally ignoring/making light of my wagon and was pushing for answers.

I don't think anything about G_R and imopen, but the DroppingSuga request for a nolynch at the end of day one doesn't sit well with me. Not that it automatically means he is scum, but usually you always lynch someone otherwise it sets you back as town so...

On a more positive note this day one is picking up, glad we're done quickly with the RVS

We've been done with RVS for a while. It was done as soon as someone voted Rezombad. Where have you been? Why don't you have reads on G_R and imopen2? Why does Suga wanting to end the day not sit well with you when you were willing to quicklynch D1 to end it faster?

@Rezombad: Why are you reading Nuwen as town for admittedly no reason?

[Yannaria]

Yannus had the opportunity to prove himself town before joining the death list. Like, that should be fairly obvious. I'm not usually willing to break focus on one scum to actively chase another, and misbehaving town usually benefit from the extra time to do town things.

Allow me to link you to a fascinating game where scum fixates on MY QUESTION MY QUESTION ANSWER IT and implode in a similar manner. You can tell it's a ploy because the QUESTION QUESTION QUESTION isn't particularly significant or telling, the scum just uses it as a platform to act like indignant town.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#
p4030826
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4031069

are you really trying to meta me with meta from other people