[Basic Mafia Game #1] Adventure Time (Town Win)

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Postby Manders » Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:25 pm

Two things are bothering me right now. I will expand more on that tomorrow, but where the hell is Ximbad?
I'm still waiting for manders to figure out that she should claim.
Here's the thing.

Part of me knows that I probably should.

However, part of me knows that it will only help the scum if I do.

So....I'm at a crossroads here and don't know what to do.

Let me re-read, and once I've done that, I'll re-evaluate the situation.
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Postby PhantomS » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:12 am

I never visit this site when I'm not dirt tired or stoned. Repeat your question manders, not going to dig through things for it.

Also, I am so brainless that I confused the two meanings of claim when I made my case earlier. It should be very clear that I was actually just wrong.

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Postby Manders » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:39 am

As fas as I know, your case on me consists of me being inconsistent, but you just admitted you were mistaken in your initial reading/deciding.

So, what does your case consist of?

And, it's The Guardian who needs to answer my damn question.
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Postby The Dark Guardian » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:26 am

Are you referring to the question of "Why do I think we are in mislynch or lose"? Because if not, I can't find it.

What is your opinion of GR?

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Postby Manders » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:52 am

Yes, that's what I'm referring to.

I reserve the right to answer that question after I've re-read.
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Postby Manders » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:53 am

*request, not reserve
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Postby Ximbad » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:09 am

Two things are bothering me right now. I will expand more on that tomorrow, but where the hell is Ximbad?
I'm still waiting for manders to figure out that she should claim.
Here's the thing.

Part of me knows that I probably should.

However, part of me knows that it will only help the scum if I do.

So....I'm at a crossroads here and don't know what to do.

Let me re-read,
and once I've done that, I'll re-evaluate the situation.
Here's the thing. You said you could clear yourself and the guardian. If it ends up checking out it will be a huge boon for the town. The two of you seem to be the two most likely lynch targets. If you can clear the two of you we can look elsewhere.
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Postby Manders » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:49 am

OMG, dude, here's what I said:

There are things, ITT, that I could point out that would show WIFOM of why I am town.

There are things, ITT, that The Guardian has said (back on D1 when I originally said this) that make me think he's town.
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Postby PhantomS » Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:10 am

As fas as I know, your case on me consists of me being inconsistent, but you just admitted you were mistaken in your initial reading/deciding.

So, what does your case consist of?

And, it's The Guardian who needs to answer my damn question.
That entire post was a supplement to the bigger argument that you stayed off the yanni wagon day one and this doesn't change that. Your cryptic claiming is also complete bullshit.

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Postby The Dark Guardian » Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:16 am

a mislynch today (5 alive)

Mafia kill tonight (4 alive)

Day has 2 mafia member and 2 town members, therefore they control the lynch. You have been playing this game longer than I have, how did you not notice this?

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Postby Manders » Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:32 am

It takes 3 to lynch, so no, they would not control the lynch. That would be LyLo.
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Postby Manders » Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:33 am

As fas as I know, your case on me consists of me being inconsistent, but you just admitted you were mistaken in your initial reading/deciding.

So, what does your case consist of?

And, it's The Guardian who needs to answer my damn question.
That entire post was a supplement to the bigger argument that you stayed off the yanni wagon day one and this doesn't change that. Your cryptic claiming is also complete bullshit.
I stayed off the Yanni wagon because I've played enough games with him to know that I can't read him for shit. He always seems scummy.
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What did I do when I saw incontrovertible (or so I thought at the time) proof that he was lying and, therefore, scum?
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Postby The Dark Guardian » Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:08 am

*facepalm

And HOW praytell, would the town EVER get a mafia member to lynch one of their own?

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Postby PhantomS » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:11 am

*facepalm

And HOW praytell, would the town EVER get a mafia member to lynch one of their own?
Yeah, not sure what Manders is missing here.

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Postby Ximbad » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:44 am

I knew the guardian was at l-2, but I voted anyways. On second thought I decided to unvote so we didn't have to worry about the guardian getting cut off.

That said: vote: the guardian
@Jones: Alright you cocky bastard. If your that sure I am scum, put your life where your mouth is: If I flip anything other than mafia, you die tomorrow. Oh, and unvote and hammer this if you don't mind.[/quote:
1fq1ov9v]What is the point of this? Is this intended to be anythig other than a symbolic gesture?
As for the second mafia: I am in between imopen and GR. The former because he really has done very little for himself, barely reading, and not a single original thought, aside from barning the hot wagons at the time. GR on the other hand has done very little work on his own, and his posts read more like a commentator than an actual player. I wouldn't put it pass Ximbad to be scum, but those two are my top picks.
This is where I really start to feel confident about lynching the guardian. Earlier in this post he sets up the dichotomy of kpaca or manders. His only reasoning for picking those two people out is that they are good at mafia. This line of reasoning, while not strong, is extremely convenient if the guardian is scum. If he gets one of the two lynched he can still push for the other's lynching tomorrow. On top of that he compiles a list of possible scum that
includes everyone. Either he's trying to say that he thinks phantasmo is town, or he doesn't want to contradict himself when he pushes for whatever lynch seems most likely tomorrow.

This is in addition to this post:
Checking in.

I am fine with Ximbad, if no one wants to do Manders. There has been at least two votes thrown at him, and he doesn't even address them, only deciding in his last post to chase KJ.

Unvote MH, Vote Ximbad
You can see him leaving his options open here too.

He's too noncommittal and his reasoning when he does post it is weak.

I have no idea why people are unvoting the guardian.
I'll comment on this once I have responses from other players on the questions I asked.

However, I'll go ahead and spoil the ending. I'm pretty sure
The Guardian is town and will not be voting for him Today.
You never posted the ending. How long do you plan to sit on this? Even if it's shitty reasoning, you need to post this /now/.
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Postby Manders » Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:18 am

I'm not sure how I missed that either.

Ximbad, the WIFOM I'm talking about is my reactions regarding Yanni's lynch. When I realized the logic I used to justify his vote in my mind was flawed, I attempted to unvote in case my count was off. It's not strong, but go re-read it. See if it looks genuine town reaction to you.
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Postby Manders » Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:18 am

The Guardian thing, I'll show you and explain when I have time to provide the evidence. Likely Friday.
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Postby Manders » Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:50 am

What's your hurry?
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Postby The Dark Guardian » Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:27 am

Hurry?

You have been slow rolling this for days...

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Postby Manders » Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:27 pm

And you haven't given a damn until now. Why the change in position?

And, I said it would likely be today. Today's not over.
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Postby Manders » Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:00 pm

Ok, so yesterday didn't happen. Sorry.

I'm here. I'm going to start re-reading now, but I am at work, so I'm going to quote and respond as I see stuff I want pointed out. Guys, please feel free to break up the chains. I'll work on this between calls all day.
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Postby Manders » Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:21 pm

Here, guys, see if you can see anything in this, flavor-wise:

Col. Khaddafi - The Royal Tart Toter - Vanilla
teefo - Gunter - Vanilla
Yanni - The Ice Queen - Goon
Capt Murphy - Marceline, The Vampire Queen - Cop
Checkbox - Melissa - Vanilla
Imopen2 - Princess Bubblegum - Vanilla

I don't know the flavor, but I think I know one thing. Role name is irrelevant to alignment. Cause I'm The Ice King. :D
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Postby Manders » Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:22 pm

This ain't no V Tech shit or Columbine
But after bowling, I went home for some damn Adventure Time

Vote Yanni
Seems rather early to be voting for people but what do i know? :shrug:

Vote: Captain Murphy

amidoingthisrite?
Pretty lame attempt to fit in, but by which alignment? Hmmmm
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Postby Manders » Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:23 pm

This ain't no V Tech shit or Columbine
But after bowling, I went home for some damn Adventure Time

Vote Yanni
Seems rather early to be voting for people but what do i know? :shrug:

Vote: Captain Murphy

amidoingthisrite?
Pretty lame
attempt to fit in, but by which alignment? Hmmmm
Oh, wait, he's dead and was town. Nevermind. :embarrass:
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Postby Manders » Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:24 pm

vote:manders

I've got a feeling . . .
What was this about, Ximbad?
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Postby Manders » Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:25 pm

Vote Yanni

Good riddance.
RVS vote on scum noted as it COULD be bussing.
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Postby Manders » Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:25 pm

Vote Yanni

Good riddance.
RVS vote on scum noted as it COULD be bussing.
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Postby Manders » Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:31 pm

Also, I don't hate Yanni, so much as I wish he stopped living.

I am joking, I just miss that old Yanni. The one from Flame Warriors...
Im not sure I like the cut of your jib.
It's because I'm
white, isn't it? :/
It's because youre making jokes.

vote: the guardian
Why did you vote here and not the first time you commented on him, Jones?
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Postby Manders » Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:40 pm

This post bothered me when it was made, and it still does.
Hmm,

This community might be on to something about no RVS. Curious to see how the initiation process will play on in future games, but for this game:

Why, Manders, do you want a soft-claim? And after suggesting it, why not go specific with what your idea of a soft claim might be?
Xander, why are you acting like you've never seen me suggest a soft-claim for the sake of discussion?

Hold on, let's see what your post AFTER I revealed my reasons was...
Vote Manders

nJones seems quite defensive as well. But meh, I haven't played with him in quite a while...
How do you justify this reaction, Xander?
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Postby Manders » Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:54 pm

I need to re-read from the beginning. I don't get where this Yanni wagon came from. His defensiveness does raise an eyebrow, but I tend to agree with Col. Khaddafi. In my short experience with the game, people behaving like that have been usually townies playing poorly, and giving away an easy mislynch. Not that his posting after being confronted by PhantomS doesn't look scummy, but I keep that possibility open, for now.
Hesitance to join the Yanni wagon noted.
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Postby Manders » Sat Mar 02, 2013 7:12 pm

I do find the string of imopen2 posts though...
You're missing a verb. What do you mean by this?
unvote: yanni; vote Captain Murphy


Yanni wagon seems too thin to go anywhere.

So far I like what teefo has to say, but he hasn't really brought up anything meaty.
Ximbad, why did you just decide the Yanni wagon wasn't going to go anywhere
as opposed to putting effort into it? Your statement seems to imply you thought he was scum, but didn't want to put the effort into it.
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Postby Manders » Sat Mar 02, 2013 7:27 pm

I do find the string of imopen2 posts though...
You're missing a verb. What do you mean by this?
unvote: yanni; vote Captain Murphy


Yanni wagon seems too thin to go anywhere.

So far I
like what teefo has to say, but he hasn't really brought up anything meaty.
god this post bothers the hell out of me
Heh, Yanni confirmed this was a terrible post. Noted.
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Postby Manders » Sat Mar 02, 2013 7:30 pm

I don't think that being aggressive is scummy, especially on day 1. On the contrary, I assume mafia will try to start the game with a low profile. Sure, experienced players may tap on that, but in that case I will say it's a null tell.

On the other hand, that "tag-team" accusation, to call it that, is making my "spider-sense" tingle.

Vote: imopen2
Attempting to detract from the Yanni wagon? Maaaaaaaaaaaybe.
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Postby Manders » Sat Mar 02, 2013 7:40 pm

And I'm just going to say now that I cannot read Jones. Never can. However, I will get a strong gut feeling by the end of re-reading, and I'll let you know what it is then.

Preliminary gut says town, though.

This means the last two scum, imo, are between Ximbad, The Guardian, and (G_R) for those paying attention at home.
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Postby Manders » Sat Mar 02, 2013 7:58 pm

i am more suspicious of g_r right now because i feel like sinbad is just being weird and voting on people without any thought and i am not sure if he is being scummy or not but it's definitely different.
teef posted bad thoughts about GR. Noted.
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Postby Manders » Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:02 pm

Fair enough. I failed to factor in that this is your first mafia game.

Unvote
So?
I just tend to be careful when voting.
How do you explain that the two votes you made previous to this were not careful at all, but you voting as soon as you saw something worth voting?
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Postby Manders » Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:03 pm

unvote

vote:killjoy

His only post was on the first saying he would check-in later.
Then he comes out of nowhere with a vote on a non-existent player.

Really, Ximbad? I'm on page 5, and you've done NOTHING noteworthy other than throw bad votes.
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Postby Manders » Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:04 pm

unvote

vote:killjoy

His only post was on the first saying he would check-in later.
Then he comes out of nowhere with a vote on a non-existent player.

Really, Ximbad? I'm on page 5, and you've done NOTHING noteworthy other than throw bad votes.
*bad votes that seem to be done so in order to remove suspicion from Yanni, I might add.
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Postby Manders » Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:05 pm

Checking in.

I am fine with Ximbad, if no one wants to do Manders. There has been at least two votes thrown at him, and he doesn't even address them, only deciding in his last post to chase KJ.

Unvote MH, Vote Ximbad
Ugh, the more I see of Xander, the more I have no fucking clue what I saw that made me think he was town.

Maybe it'll appear later? We'll see. But this post was bad.
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