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whenever i have a hunter quest i know that i can turn my brain off and quickly rank up.
my opponent gained 20 life and i just went face and won on turn 7 without consideration for his creatures barring one acolyte of pain that got eaglehorned down.
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I would say none of those are favorable for red, which kind of kills a lot of reason to play it. The g2/3 of Esper vs. Red is pretty favorable for the Esper player if they have Drown and quad Foul-Tongue to recover life.Actually, Atarka Red is well positioned against Esper Dragons, while not autodying to Abzan Control and Abzan Megamorphs.
Did I get the matchups incorrectly?
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I think the red players is slightly better then a coinflip in a 3-game set assuming you win game 1.
I think now that the format has a 'real' metagame, you're rewarded greatly for figuring out the format and brewing something.
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Esper, Ojutai Bant, Abzan Aggro, Abzan Morphs, and Red Aggro are the top tier of the meta with esper being the best deck by far.
Places I'd start brewing include:
Jeskai with a bunch of jeskai charms
Mardu with rabblemaster, butcher, and mardu charm
Green agro with black removal and thoughtsieze
Something that beats EVERYTHING, but esper dragons.
I think now that the format has a 'real' metagame, you're rewarded greatly for figuring out the format and brewing something.
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Esper, Ojutai Bant, Abzan Aggro, Abzan Morphs, and Red Aggro are the top tier of the meta with esper being the best deck by far.
Places I'd start brewing include:
Jeskai with a bunch of jeskai charms
Mardu with rabblemaster, butcher, and mardu charm
Green agro with black removal and thoughtsieze
Something that beats EVERYTHING, but esper dragons.
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Maybe I'm overreacting, but with Esper Dragons I'm never too happy to face Atarka Red.I would say none of those are favorable for red, which kind of kills a lot of reason to play it. The g2/3 of Esper vs. Red is pretty favorable for the Esper player if they have Drown and quad Foul-Tongue to recover life.Actually, Atarka Red is well positioned against Esper Dragons, while not autodying to Abzan Control and Abzan Megamorphs.
Did I get the matchups incorrectly?
I'm pretty sure I'll win every game I start with Drown, Tongue, Ojutai and four lands, but things get messy pretty quickly if something goes wrong (i.e.: Tongue with no dragons, mana screw etc).
I don't consider having a favorable G1 while not being auto-dead on G2 and G3 a bad place to be, but I guess that better players stumble less than me.
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Then end up playing Atarka Red instead. It's the FoS way.
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i've found buying singles of just the cards you want is cheaper than buying complete sets (albeit paying "more" because you miss out on all of the extra stuff that goes in the "potentially playable" pile), which is what i do for sets that aren't dense enough to go all-in on with buying cases, etc.
getting complete playsets of the commons/uncommons and then the rares you want is probably the most cost effective way to "have it all," assuming you can pick up most of the chase cards before they shoot up in value. but also you may know what you want to play /with before anything definitive happens w/ card values (IE you want to play a deck with Dragon Whisperer and you'll play the best Dragon Whisperer deck when the format settles, assuming one exists), and that's usually a pretty good way to make sure you have all your ducks in a row when tournaments actually start happening.
getting complete playsets of the commons/uncommons and then the rares you want is probably the most cost effective way to "have it all," assuming you can pick up most of the chase cards before they shoot up in value. but also you may know what you want to play /with before anything definitive happens w/ card values (IE you want to play a deck with Dragon Whisperer and you'll play the best Dragon Whisperer deck when the format settles, assuming one exists), and that's usually a pretty good way to make sure you have all your ducks in a row when tournaments actually start happening.
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how does redemption cost of set + getting the cards on MTGO factor vs. buying sets online preorder/etc?
i've never one-to-oned it, but you have that information in front of you.
i usually spend ~$3-400 per release after all is said and done and i've picked up any pieces i'd thought would go down but remained stable/didn't (monastery mentor and ugin from recent memory are examples -- i didn't think ugin would be as important after karn was mostly ignored in standard and i just didn't think people would sandbag the price of mentor). those are usually mythic, though, since they're subject to the largest price swings.
i've never one-to-oned it, but you have that information in front of you.
i usually spend ~$3-400 per release after all is said and done and i've picked up any pieces i'd thought would go down but remained stable/didn't (monastery mentor and ugin from recent memory are examples -- i didn't think ugin would be as important after karn was mostly ignored in standard and i just didn't think people would sandbag the price of mentor). those are usually mythic, though, since they're subject to the largest price swings.
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i've been happy with the playset of commons/uncommons and cherry pick rares/mythics approach. has kept me pretty fluid in the format for a couple years and since I'm in law school now and not pulling down my old salary it's also noticeably easier on the wallet.
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To be fair, you're going off of CFB instead of a competitive market. (it should be at least $20 for the sets of above, shipped, off TCG) W/ shipping, you're paying $300 for the set -- with $200 extra dollars, you can easily get Whisperwood Elemental, Tasigur, Ugin, Crux, Valorous Stance, Wild Slash, Outpost Siege, Silugmar, Mastery of the Unseen, Flamewake Phoenix, Mardu Strike Leader, Shamanic Revelation, some Monk tokens, and whatever other commons/uncommons you didn't see with a few bucks left over (but no room to sell off the essentially bulk mythics from your complete set 4x).
It's a matter of convenience, I guess. You can avoid being bogged down with a bunch of extra crap and get just what you need, not have to wait for Wizard's shipping, and save a negligible amount of money buying singles, or try to use the extra cards and pay a few bucks to gain value in excess of the few extra bucks.
It's a matter of convenience, I guess. You can avoid being bogged down with a bunch of extra crap and get just what you need, not have to wait for Wizard's shipping, and save a negligible amount of money buying singles, or try to use the extra cards and pay a few bucks to gain value in excess of the few extra bucks.
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Cards are generally pretty cheap relatively speaking aside from a few standout Mythics and the occasional Tasigur (which isn't even that pricey now) due specifically to the "unsolved constantly shifting" meta we were talking about a few pages ago, and similarly why Ojutai is like a million dollars (it is the standout card of the clear best deck). When everything is sort of this gray sludge in terms to standing at the top of the meta, nothing is, so value flattens out except where cards have eternal application, are mythic and standout, or subvert that sludge comparison.
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Yeah, it's not nearly as interesting as Vintage unfortunately.
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[deck]Creatures
4 Siege Rhino
4 Anafenza, the Foremost
4 Deathmist Raptor
4 Den Protector
4 Fleecemane Lion
Spells
1 Sorin, Solemn Visitor
3 Dromoka's Command
3 Abzan Charm
4 Hero's Downfall
4 Thoughtseize
Lands
2 Caves of Koilos
3 Forest
3 Llanowar Wastes
1 Plains
4 Sandsteppe Citadel
3 Temple of Malady
3 Temple of Silence
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Windswept Heath[/deck]
Debating if the more aggressive approach is worth it, or the one putting up results with Courser in place of Anafenza with more removals in the main. Thoughts?
4 Siege Rhino
4 Anafenza, the Foremost
4 Deathmist Raptor
4 Den Protector
4 Fleecemane Lion
Spells
1 Sorin, Solemn Visitor
3 Dromoka's Command
3 Abzan Charm
4 Hero's Downfall
4 Thoughtseize
Lands
2 Caves of Koilos
3 Forest
3 Llanowar Wastes
1 Plains
4 Sandsteppe Citadel
3 Temple of Malady
3 Temple of Silence
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Windswept Heath[/deck]
Debating if the more aggressive approach is worth it, or the one putting up results with Courser in place of Anafenza with more removals in the main. Thoughts?
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UR or Tarmo? Do you like more tempo or more control? Do you play much Modern? How big is the event/how good the expected players?
This is a pretty stock list that an acquaintance used to top8 the Providence SCG $5k:
[deck]
Creatures (13)
4 Deceiver Exarch
2 Grim Lavamancer
2 Pestermite
4 Snapcaster Mage
1 Vendilion Clique
Lands (23)
5 Island
1 Mountain
1 Breeding Pool
1 Desolate Lighthouse
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Scalding Tarn
3 Steam Vents
3 Sulfur Falls
1 Tectonic Edge
Spells (24)
4 Splinter Twin
2 Cryptic Command
1 Dispel
2 Electrolyze
4 Lightning Bolt
1 Peek
4 Remand
1 Spell Snare
1 Flame Slash
4 Serum Visions
Sideboard (15)
2 Batterskull
2 Engineered Explosives
1 Vedalken Shackles
1 Sower of Temptation
2 Blood Moon
2 Ancient Grudge
1 Dispel
1 Negate
1 Vendilion Clique
1 Keranos, God of Storms
1 Jace, Architect of Thought
[/deck]
This is a pretty stock list that an acquaintance used to top8 the Providence SCG $5k:
[deck]
Creatures (13)
4 Deceiver Exarch
2 Grim Lavamancer
2 Pestermite
4 Snapcaster Mage
1 Vendilion Clique
Lands (23)
5 Island
1 Mountain
1 Breeding Pool
1 Desolate Lighthouse
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Scalding Tarn
3 Steam Vents
3 Sulfur Falls
1 Tectonic Edge
Spells (24)
4 Splinter Twin
2 Cryptic Command
1 Dispel
2 Electrolyze
4 Lightning Bolt
1 Peek
4 Remand
1 Spell Snare
1 Flame Slash
4 Serum Visions
Sideboard (15)
2 Batterskull
2 Engineered Explosives
1 Vedalken Shackles
1 Sower of Temptation
2 Blood Moon
2 Ancient Grudge
1 Dispel
1 Negate
1 Vendilion Clique
1 Keranos, God of Storms
1 Jace, Architect of Thought
[/deck]
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Also, probably gonna run Abzan Aggro or...whatever heroic at PPTQ this weekend.
No idea what my abzan deck will look like as there are a lot of options that are all appealing to me in different ways.
The important thing will likely be finding something good for the mirror without playing a bunch of wingmate rocs.
No idea what my abzan deck will look like as there are a lot of options that are all appealing to me in different ways.
The important thing will likely be finding something good for the mirror without playing a bunch of wingmate rocs.
You gotta understand, I love the beatdown. I really do. I always have.
Beatdown is hard, though.
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Beatdown is hard, though.
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