SOA Mafia: Season One -- Day Four

[Stardust]

Got 'im!

[rianalnn]

*guitar solo*

unvote: vote lmd

[Stardust]

Well I guess that answers my question.

That's L-1. LMD, please claim.

[hamfactorial]

Things are happening

[imopen2]

More things need to happen.

Deadline is set for one week from today. 2/17/15 at 11:59pm (CST)

[Mcdonalds]

Vanilla town

[Stardust]

That's it? Name and flavour, please.

[Mcdonalds]

Piney Winston, father of opie Winston

[Stardust]

This season, on SOA: Donna Winston, wife of Opie Winston and daughter-in-law of Piney Winston (one of the founding members of The Sons of Anarchy Motorcycle Club - Redwood Original), has been murdered.

This was taken from the first post.

What did you think about your character being talked about in the opening flavour?

If you're town, would you assume Opie is town as well?

[WitchHunt]

Part of me wants to avoid flavor gaming because of the fact it's flavor gaming, the other part wishes I understood the flavor better to see how relevant it is.

That being said, I'm fairly underwhelmed by the claim, judging from the game set up would we really have room to add Vanilla town considering there were two potential NKs?

[Mcdonalds]

I'd rather avoid flavor gaming,but based on my role pm, I'd assume opie is a member of SAMCRO, and probably town

It's possible that one of the roles interacts with Opie and Piney in some way, but I honestly wouldn't be inclined to think much of it

[Stardust]

Niether would I. You didn't answer my first question.

That being said, I'm fairly underwhelmed by the claim, judging from the game set up would we really have room to add Vanilla town considering there were two potential NKs?

With a Serial Killer and two Mafiosos, we definiteley could have some vanilla town. A strait 7:2 game with no abilities at all should be fairly balanced. Add in an SK and a few roles here and there, and you've got a game!

I also believe that this is imopen's first game as a mod. I'd almost expect there to be vanilla town just because it makes design a little simpler.

[Mcdonalds]

I did, didn't I?

[Stardust]

Did you? So your role being in the opening flavour led you to believe that there might be a role that interacts with you?

[Mcdonalds]

Possible, but honestly I'm not inclined to put much thought into, nor do I know enough about the show to make any assumptions about that

I am assuming it's just as possible imopen is fucking with us as much as it tells us something about the set up

[RedNihilist]

Just for the sake of asking, people should claim at L-2 or at L-1?

[WitchHunt]

Pretty sure claiming usually comes around at L-2. He did a few posts back, take another glance.

[RedNihilist]

I know.
It just seems like that today, in this game, people claim at L-1 rather than at L-2, and I don't get what's different from the usual.

[Jamie]

vote LMD

[Stardust]

Well there you go. Why did you decide to hammer, Jamie? I'd hoped to wait until rezombad and rcw checked in.

I know.
It just seems like that today, in this game, people claim at L-1 rather than at L-2, and I don't get what's different from the usual.

What's different is that we were waiting on a few players to get a handle on this game, so it seemed premature to me. Also, L-2 is dumb with such a small number of players. 9 alive, right? 5 to lynch means we claim at 3 votes? With 2 scum running around, needing only one townie on a wagon to get a claim seems wrong.

You're welcome to ask for a claim whenever you want to, by the way. You don't have to stand on ceremony.

[RedNihilist]

It's not a question about "standing on ceremony", it's just that I don't really like the absolute lack of a claim from Jamie (lack of ANYTHING, actually), while LMD gets hanged in a really small timeframe on the rebound.

I can see the logic behind the numbers though.

[Stardust]

Yeah. I'm not impressed with a lot of players' contributions these past couple days, Jamie included. He defended himself well enough, but then ducked out, so I dunno. If LMD flips town Jamie will be one of the first I'll be checking into, but this game will need some work.

LMD's wagon wasn't short, by the way. I voted for him 9 days ago. It just feels short since we've only had a handful of real posts since then. Maybe a new Day and a couple more flips will get people more involved.

[imopen2]

That's a lynch!

Vote count #8:

LMD(5): stardust, ham, witchhunt, rianalnn, jaime
Jaime(2): red, lmd
Not Voting(2): rez, rcw
With 9 alive, it is 5 to lynch

LMD has been gunned down by the citizens of Charming.

He was:
Piney Winston - Vanilla - Town

It is now Night 2. Do not post. All night actions must be submitted by Saturday 2/14 at 11:59pm Central Standard Time. Day will begin sometime on Sunday or Monday.

[imopen2]

Just as the citizens of Charming were putting LMD to rest, another body is fresh for the ground.

Jaime has been killed.

Night proceeds as normal. If any night actions have already been made, they may be revised in light of this news.

[imopen2]

Oh yeah, you guys might want the flip.

Jaime was:
Opie Winston - Vengeful - Town

[imopen2]

Charming awakens to find rianalnn dead, stabbed in the back. Well...at least thats what we think happened. It was hard to tell how he died what with the explosion and all...

He was:
Tig Trager - 1-shot Bodyguard+Bomb

It is now Day 3:

With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch

[hamfactorial]

That's some bullshit. What the hell happened?

Bomb entry on MafiaWiki.
Bodyguard entry on MafiaWiki.
Vengeful entry on MafiaWiki.

LMD was vanilla town, so there's nothing special about his lynch that would have trigged this. Jamie was the first victim last night, but his vengeful ability shouldn't trigger because he was night-killed instead of lynched. Everything looked normal until this morning when I saw rianalnn dead and his Bomb flip.

We killed LMD, scum killed Jamie, but why is rianalnn dead? imopen's lack of role PMs makes this difficult to figure out, since I don't know if rianalnn's Bodyguard ability nullifies his Bomb ability when used.

Jamie doesn't have any kill ability in his role description, so he couldn't have killed rianalnn unless imopen worded the Vengeful ability in a non-standard way to allow a kill upon death instead of upon lynching. If that's true, rianalnn's bomb couldn't kill Jamie since he was already dead.

[Stardust]

Jamie was not the scum kill. "Night proceeds as normal. If any night actions have already been made, they may be revised in light of this news" means that Jamie himself did not have the opportunity to be targeted by night abilities (a doctor, for example). My best guess is that he was a one-way Lover that imopen forgot to resolve, or maybe a vig of some kind shot him (with the special ability to have that resolve immediately?). rianalnn was almost certainly the nightkill target, which is a bit messed up.

imopen, can you confirm that Jamie's death happened when it was supposed to, or should that have happened immediately after LMD's death?

I don't really know where to go today. I've been playing with a rezombad/rcw scum team in my head, but I'll need to do some work to prove that out (or disprove it) since I haven't looked at this game since Night fell. I'm a bit concerned that ya'll might want to just lynch me at this point considering we're in mylo. Need to find a better alternative before that happens.

[RedNihilist]

No twilight means that he's been killed through a daylight vig - otherwise he would have died at the beginning of the new day like rialnann, I think.

[rezombad]

Townblock: me, rcw, ham

vote stardust

[rezombad]

vote stardust

[Stardust]

I was about to ask why rcw is part of the town block, but then I remembered his interactions with ham early in Day 2. His actions late in Day 2 weren't great, but I'll have to check that out further. Probably off there. All I ask is that you give me a chance to reconnect with this game before you string me up.

No twilight means that he's been killed through a daylight vig - otherwise he would have died at the beginning of the new day like rialnann, I think.

There was no twilight Day 1 either.

[imopen2]

Pretend there was a twilight both days and that's when Jaime died if it helps you make sense of things. Sorry I did this in an unconventional way

[hamfactorial]

OK, thanks mod.

Who shot Jamie?

[RedNihilist]

Alive people (no real order, just copypasted from the first post):
Rez, Ham, Stardust, Red, RCW, Witchhunt.

We know that ham is town, and that scum's got a Roleblocker otherwise the bomb thing makes no sense.
Is being bulletproof roleblockable as well?

pedit: Do we really want to know who shot Jamie?
I mean, I don't think having a SK AND scum having an extra dayshot would be balanced, and if they've really got a roleblocker how would the roles interact?

[hamfactorial]

I want to know who shot Jamie because he's likely town. I'd like it to come out now to narrow the scum suspect pool.

[Stardust]

Yeah, it's probably fine for the vig to keep quiet for now. Shooting Jamie was a perfectly reasonable choice, and having an almost-confirmed-town person waiting in the weeds is nice. It does make the game harder for us since there are more people to sort through, but it makes the game harder for scum too since they have to worry about voting the townie.

Then again, we are in mylo, so it's probably best for them to come out before the end of the Day.

[WitchHunt]

Alive people (no real order, just copypasted from the first post):
Rez, Ham, Stardust, Red, RCW, Witchhunt.

We know that ham is town, and that scum's got a Roleblocker otherwise the bomb thing makes no sense.
Is being bulletproof roleblockable as well?

pedit: Do we really want to know who shot Jamie?
I mean, I don't think having a SK AND scum having an extra dayshot would be balanced, and if they've really got a roleblocker how would the roles interact?

Does Roleblocker actually prevent the bomb from going off though? Can anyone confirm that?

I also wouldn't think an extra dayshot for scum in this game would be balanced, but looking at the amount of death interactions that are in the game I guess it COULD be possible? Since we have confirmed there was a Bomb, a Vengeful, a SK, and Scum as ways to kill for sure. I'm betting on the vig, but I guess it is an option.

[rezombad]

Vig should claim. Dusty scum as fuck

[rcwraspy]

Jamie was not the scum kill. "Night proceeds as normal. If any night actions have already been made, they may be revised in light of this news" means that Jamie himself did not have the opportunity to be targeted by night abilities (a doctor, for example).

No twilight means that he's been killed through a daylight vig - otherwise he would have died at the beginning of the new day like rialnann, I think.

I find both these posts suspect. It feels like scum trying to make sense of something happening on their turf (after night fell). It looks like Stardust was right, but he put it together way too quickly, especially since he said he hadn't paid attention to the game once night fell.