LEGO Movie Mafia - Game Over - Town Win

[Mogadishu Jones]

You've never really struck me as the type to be drinking their own bath water Az.

[Azrael]

You've never really struck me as the type to be drinking their own bath water Az.

*shrugs* Inexperienced players are the absolute easiest to read. Very few of them are tricky/knowledgeable enough to surprise you or know how to fake town tells very well. So if you know what town tells look like, and you see some from one of them, game enters easy mode.

Red's latest posts show town tells.

The only people I don't have some kind of town read on at this point are GR, lord mcdonalds, and rezombad. My town read on you is provisional b/c I have no idea how good you are at faking town tells/whether I can actually read you at all.

But pretty sure if we lynch GR and then poke our snouts around in the remaining group, we win this. Arrogant-
sounding, yes. But probably not incorrect.

[Azrael]

Oh well if Az say rn is town we can all back off!

Thanks Az!

What should everyones next move be? Want my login and password so you can post for me?

*chuckle*

Posts like these make me think town though.

[RedNihilist]

So, Red, do you think I should have been lynched? Would you have voted for me if I hadn't been at L-1?

What do you think about Azrael, Dechs Kaison and imopen2?

I'm not sold on you being scum. You've done some bad maneuvers but I can't relate to you being scared as hell of Azrael, yet your late persistance in stating that you think he's town is very bad to me - almost as if you were trying to bargain your survival with him.
Also, I feel like your claim is bullshit, yet I didn't feel like hammering you.

Azrael - I find him very suspicious because I can't help but be very wary of people who control the flow of the game.
I'm 100% sure that he can't be scum WITH you (GR, for reference), and I feel like the idea that the both of you are town laughable.
Really overconfident, he could either be the best player ever or an arrogant egomaniac, and I feel like I'm in for the latter after he has wrongly labeled me as scum - the best player ever wouldn't misread me.
Did I already mention the fact that I feel like he has disrupted this game?

DK - beware the barner.

imopen2 - I'd like to have a chat with him, but he voted me then disappeared, so I don't really know how to answer here.

Not bargaining. I had actually accepted my fate, and kind of already have. I don't think I'll see D2 anyway, unless I can jail myself (I'll ask the mod) and we find some actual scum to lynch today.
I've already stated why I'm changing my read on Az, maybe they're not the best reasons but I also tend to follow my gut when it comes to these games.

Unvote

Now let's see what rezmo has to say about everything.

Care to explain?

[( G_R )]

I figure since I'm the protective role and I've already outed myself I'm a top candidate for a NK. Unless there's another role that can help me, my best odds of making it through the night are jailing myself or somehow jailing the person who attempts the killing in a lucky shot. I guess the mafia can always decide to night kill someone else, but what I'm saying is that I'm coming to terms with the idea that this will be a short game for me, because of the way I played D1.

[( G_R )]

Got a reply from Stardust, but I'm keeping it to myself for the time being.

[Dechs Kaison]

I figure since I'm the protective role and I've already outed myself I'm a top candidate for a NK. Unless there's another role that can help me, my best odds of making it through the night are jailing myself or somehow jailing the person who attempts the killing in a lucky shot. I guess the mafia can always decide to night kill someone else, but what I'm saying is that I'm coming to terms with the idea that this will be a short game for me, because of the way I played D1.

So, now you're directing power roles. This is something you accused me of here:

[
quote="Dechs Kaison » Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:34 am"]I don't believe they're both scum. I definitely don't want to fall into the trap that one or the other has to be scum.

I'm actually coming around to Jones' claim. In the worst case, he's lying and doesn't kill someone tomorrow and we hang him because lynch all liars is a thing.

I don't want to flavorgame this too hard, but I really do think Stardust made us all master builders. I mean, that's cool because the game takes its shape from what we want to build, but if Jones is telling the truth, then we've got specialized builders. In fact, "Master Builder" might be this game's version of a vanilla townie.

That said, two days is a long time for a power to take to build. Three days basically means you'll never complete it before you're hanged or night killed. That said, Jones' one day to build a one shot, daykill
shotgun is almost reasonable. Of course, I think he's an idiot, because he basically told the scum team to kill him tonight. Hopefully one of us is a doctor builder and can save him.

Unvote RedNihilist
Vote Dechs Kaison

I don't like your use of the word "trap", your vote-hopping, nor the fact that you're trying to direct a power role.

Your light-claim is not helping your case either. [/quote]

I suggest we look at the scum motivation for both cases.

If you assume that I'm scum directing a doctor onto Jones, one of four things must be true.
1. Jones is my scum buddy.
2. I don't believe Jones' claim.
3. There is a higher priority target.
4. I don't feel threatened by Jones.

The first one doesn't make sense. A day one,
unsolicited full claim like that is suicidal for a scum player. If he doesn't verify on Day 2, he's as good as lynched. For this reason, number two doesn't make any sense either. There is no reason not to believe Jones' claim. The third option can't be true because at the time, no other claims were on the table.

Number four is actually reasonable. Jones' did say he was going to shoot Az, but that doesn't mean he will follow through. If I am scum, I have good cause to fear his daykill tomorrow. More than that, because of the claim to shoot Az, a night kill falling on Jones would draw more suspicion towards Az, not myself. If I am scum, it's just a bad play all around to direct a doctor onto Jones like that.


Now let's break down your actions. If we assume you are scum, there are no necessary preconditions for directing a doctor onto yourself to be a good play. You just get the doctor to waste his power on you, leaving you free to night kill anyone one you please.

Your claim is convenient on
too many levels. It's not verifiable until Day 3 and would require two uses of a cop's ability to do so. If you do get the cop to confirm your "miller" status on Day 2, you just night kill or role block him now that you know who he is. You claim an important protective role so that you can draw the real protective role onto yourself. Flavor wise, Bad Cop is likely a scum character, so you could all too easily claim "scribble good cop" knowing that character wouldn't exist to be counter claimed.

Now, can we all agree to hang this scum?

[Dechs Kaison]

Oh, one more thing: GR expects there to be another protective role. Why would he expect that in such a small game? Two protective roles on the town in a nine player game stacks things pretty hard against the scum. Sure, maybe someone could build something, but without a Jones' like specialization, it's not likely to be ready in time (see the difference in time requirements between my one shot vig power and Jones' one shot dayvig power). If there is someone with that specialization, then we're back to redundant protective roles and a poorly balanced game.

[Stardust]

Votecount!

( G_R ) (2): Azrael, Dechs Kaison
imopen2 (2): Lord_Mcdonalds, hamfactorial
RedNihilist (2): imopen2, Mogadishu Jones

Not voting: RedNihilist, rezombad, ( G_R )

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.


Lord_Mcdonalds has been prodded.

[Azrael]

Nicely reasoned, Dechs.

[( G_R )]

Dechs, you forget the fact that I AM the power role you were trying to direct earlier, which is why I took notice and went out of my way to breadcrumb that I was a protective role. I'm not expecting another protective role, you read it all backwards, or are trying to misrepresent what I said.

Nicely reasoned, Dechs.

No it's not.

[Mogadishu Jones]

I will not lynch anyone but Az and rednihilist.

[Azrael]

I will not lynch anyone but Az and rednihilist.

Failing to lynch GR today will be a travesty rivalled only by the cancellation of Firefly.

[Azrael]

Retro Thursday, I'm bringing these back for emphasis and all the people who skimmed through them the first time:

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Let me break this down.

So apparently I'm getting lynched or shot at.

I already said that my official position is that I won't take a position D1. But if you really want to know my train of thought here it is:

Subtext: I'm doing you a solid by replying to your unreasonable demand to make my position public. Because I'm tots a good guy.

First Az post is obviously "Let's not have silly RSV", which I like and gives you town points in my spreadsheet. But then I start saying to myself: "This is Azrael. Scum Azrael could easily do that on purpose to get the
aforementioned town points, while making us look into RN with the townie comment". WIFOM. So screw your edgy play, I'm just gonna see how others react to it. So I poke RN.

So, we have a conscious decision to see how other players react to my play before you take an action or stance of your own. That's in line with what I figured your mentality was - and it's the classic scum mentality. Scum often experience great difficulty being decisive when it comes to taking sides on a difficult or potentially controversial behavioral analysis question, because they find it difficult to know how they would perceive the evidence, if they were town.

The natural townie response in such a situation is to be inquisitive, to gather more evidence, ask questions, like Ham was doing, in order to get to the bottom of the situation.

The natural scum response, by contrast, is what GR did. To wait and see how the wind was blowing, and how other players begin to react, and to take his cues on how
best to camouflage himself and proceed based on the responses of other players.

Then kpaca starts post ping pong with you, and I'm like holy shit is one of them scum, both or none? I said as much and stuck to my plan of watching the others when Dechs scored enough scum points to get a vote.

I still have the gut feeling that you may be town aggressively scum hunting, so I was not about to vote for you, but at the same time, I had no strong reason to make a case for your towniness once you reached L-1 and were out of it before I could even finish reading all the walls of text.

One of the characteristics of the scum mentality I described above is very evident in this paragraph here, and also in the paragraph above. Scum are very often able to identify multiple competing factors that they ought to weigh (such as my aggressive scum-hunting), or the "possibility that I'm doing it for WIFOM".

What they find it difficult to do is figure
out which of those factors should be the one that persuades them.

In this case, I think it's even more difficult for GR to fake the correct mentality b/c there are a couple clues buried in this text that indicate he knows I'm town, and is finding it difficult to present alternatives. The best explanation he has for his confusion isn't that he's focused on the "mistake" I made that everyone else is focused on. Apparently, that's not of concern to him - probably because he knows it for an honest mistake due to his inside knowledge.

No, what he's actually struggling with if you read between the lines here is how to justify still voting for me despite what he's perceiving (a bit more easily than others thanks to the bias of his inside knowledge) as a strong scum-hunting record. Apparently, the idea that I'm capable of faking a strong scum-hunting record is enough to paralyze him in a bout of confusion and inertia? I don't buy that for a second. What he's worrying about is how to
justify his vote, when all hell breaks loose in the inevitable counter-analysis wagon that would take place the instant I flip town. That's what's staying his hand, that has him frozen on the sidelines, waiting for the rest of the town to take positions first.

My vote for Dechs is supposed to be weird but other than you pointing out that his counterclaim is not something that scum would do (which despite being a good point, only raises the question of whether you could be scum buddies) no one has said why those bells I heard are only in my head.

I didn't really know that he's a newbie, so I'm going to review his posts under that light and see whether I was overreacting.

You attempted to crucify him very aggressively for what were nothing more than innocent logic tells. Both the style and substance of the attack were far too bloodthirsty.

Confirm vote.

Also, you say you didn't know he was a newbie, GR?

Because I seem to recall you laughing at his posts in the Sons of Anarchy signup thread, where he stated he was a new player, but was trying to give me some tips on how to play.

Lynch this liar?

Ooo. "But If you really want to know my train of thought, here it is".

That's another good bit, there. It's like I'm torturing him by simply dragging an attempt to describe his own train of thought out of him.

Which vote am I trying to justify again? And you call a single vote a crucifixion?

You're confusing the fact that I have to go through walls of text while at work with scum mentality. My not wanting to take a stance about you comes from the fact that I both
know what your trajectory is and how long your posts are. I'd rather deal with you when we have a better picture and probably caught a less experienced scum.

Fine, I'm being lazy, but at least I'm trying to post stuff and get reactions out of not you players.

Translation: "It's not fair that I'm actually playing this game and making an effort as compared to the lurkers, and got caught because I took the high road of actually participating."

I agree, actually. It's not fair.

But your activity level has nothing to do with the scum-mindset that's clearly evident in your description of your train of thought.

This was your Dechs vote:

Unvote RedNihilist
Vote Dechs Kaison

I don't like your use of the word "trap", your vote-hopping, nor the fact that you're trying to direct a power role.

Your light-
claim is not helping your case either.

This is pretty strongly worded for a page one or two vote. Too strongly worded, and on too thin a basis. His light-claim isn't helping his case? Doesn't even make sense. And the rest of it just buzz-words as a substitute for a real case, strung together with smilies for hyperbole and emphasis, as if it should be self-evident that the three things you mention are unpardonable sins of some kind.

And then, you immediately back off that strongly worded read when I call it out. Those convictions weren't as strong as you'd have us believe, after all. Not when you take fire for them.

Scum plays, every step of the way.

PPE - You're dodging the point, GR. You were there for the conversation. You heard him say he was a new player. You can't write off your case b/c you didn't realize he was a newbie - you did know it.

I'm enjoying the fireworks but I often like to look for "honestly" and "TBH" wording, as it often suggests a self-deception in progress.

You can look up something called performatives, which are phrases inserted before a lie, commonly used by politicians.

I haven't caught any scum with this observation yet, but looking forward to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSHCdalj3Fo

In my mind, the slip is just icing on the cake of everything else going on with him. Read for yourself the posts where I take apart GR's mindset piece by piece. That's the true damning evidence - five or six different high quality behavioral scum tells occuring in rapid succession, from a very unconvincing
explanation of why he's in a dilemma over taking a position on me, to lack of townie inquisitiveness and engagement, consistently exhibiting verbal tics indicating lies, difficulty weighing competing behavioral evidence, nervousness in sharing his thought patterns, to his overaggression and lack of conviction when it came to his vote against you, and his bare OMGUS vote putting me to L-1.

It's like he fell out of the ugly tree, hit half the branches on the way down, and then climbed up into it so that he could jump out of it again and hit all the rest.

Nobody falls into making that many high-quality scum mindset tells in such rapid succession by mistake or accident - it's a pattern. In 95% of my cases, I have some reservations about whether the case is actually correct, there's almost always some lingering doubts whether or not I could be wrong, and frequently I'll change my mind as new evidence comes in. This is one of the 5% of scenarios where the clarity and quality of the evidence is
remarkable.

Read those posts carefully, read between the lines for his mindset. You will not find many more obvious examples than these of what a scum mentality looks like.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Lmao this guy Az.

[Azrael]

Read this. ^

Yes, all of it, and especially including the quotations of GR. This is grade A self-impalement.

[( G_R )]

:yawn:

[hamfactorial]

Will read through the walls and give my thoughts on lunch break.

[Azrael]

Cool. It might be easier to follow the original conversation, back on page 5.

[( G_R )]

I wan't rezmo to post. You're posting walls faster than he can read them.

But hey, if we're quoting GR posts, here's one for you:

Whatever Az. I'm more and more convinced that you're not scum, but I'm really getting sick of your shit.

You're either giving pointers to scum on "how not to act", or losing a lot of credibility every time you call a townie scum based on your grandiose mafia theory. But carry on, be my guest.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Yeah, im just ignoring azrael repeating himself and pretending hes infallible at this point.

[Azrael]

I wan't rezmo to post. You're posting walls faster than he can read them.

But hey, if we're quoting GR posts, here's one for you:

Whatever Az. I'm more and more convinced that you're not scum, but I'm really getting sick of your shit.

You're either giving pointers to scum on "how not to act", or losing a lot of credibility every time you call a townie scum based on your grandiose mafia theory. But carry on, be my guest.

Saying something's a scum tell doesn't help people much unless you explain why it's a scum tell. Not really worried about
credibility, worried about finding scum and finding townies. Any time I go out on a limb and say someone's scum, good chance of getting egg on my face. I think our best chance by far is with you, and maybe I'll embarass myself thoroughly on the off-chance I'm wrong. I've been playing the game long enough to be embarrassed plenty of times before. But I think not.

IDK if "grandiose" really covers it. It's more like "pedantic", or "tedious", or "stuff that a lot of people do".

Strategically, though, I agree that arrogance is a better angle to use to sell people on your viewpoint. Nobody likes a know-it-all, especially one whose level of confidence seems way, way out of proportion to everybody else.

Puts me in something of a bind, because I can't explain why I'm as confident as I am without really dipping into "bragging" about how good I am at a completely pointless and trivial forum game played with strangers on the internet. I guess I can
safely say that I've done this a few times before, and done it often enough and well enough to have survived with my confidence intact up to this point, and that most of the people I hang out with don't think of me as someone who overestimates what he can do, and enjoy having me on their side, and let that be my testament.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Everything youve said about sorta bragging is true, but thats the issue. You really dont seem apt to consider anyone else as doing good wrk unless their riding around on your coat tails Az.

[Mogadishu Jones]

As such I will likely continue to ignore you.

We should really lynch you and RN at this point, not GR. I'm really thinking your scum after low hanging fruit rght now, and RN is your buddy. Pretty sure you calling him scum was some nice facade distancing.

[Azrael]

Everything youve said about sorta bragging is true, but thats the issue. You really dont seem apt to consider anyone else as doing good wrk unless their riding around on your coat tails Az.

I get frustrated when people don't see things clearly that seem obvious to me. I could probably work on that, I just expect you, as a vet, and someone I've played with before, to pick up on the same things. And then it surprises and annoys when you don't.

As such I will likely continue to ignore you.

We should really lynch you and RN at this point, not GR. I'm really thinking
your scum after low hanging fruit rght now, and RN is your buddy. Pretty sure you calling him scum was some nice facade distancing.

Ok, let me go over the bits where RN is signalling his townie-ness to the world then.

Nice catch. Except for the fact that I was a lot more involved in Gone Postal as well, and I was town there.
I don't like the way this game is going on and I don't like to commit before having some hypothesis I believe in, I'm really envious of you guys that live your carefree life jumping around with your votes and ideas but I'm really not that kind of guy, sorry.

One of my favorite townie tells could be summed up pretty simply as being "sassy" in response to a case. It's not the same as sarcasm, it's when the person gives off a vibe that they KNOW they're right, and
here are the reasons why. That's what I see here - complete confidence that he's in the right; he knows who he is, and he's not changing it. That's a very honest, very pro-town kind of mindset.

I'm not sold on you being scum. You've done some bad maneuvers but I can't relate to you being scared as hell of Azrael, yet your late persistance in stating that you think he's town is very bad to me - almost as if you were trying to bargain your survival with him. Also, I feel like your claim is bullshit, yet I didn't feel like hammering you.

Azrael - I find him very suspicious because I can't help but be very wary of people who control the flow of the game.
I'm 100% sure that he can't be scum WITH you (GR, for reference), and I feel like the idea that the both of you are town laughable.
Really overconfident, he could either be the best player ever or an arrogant egomaniac, and I feel like I'm in for the latter after he has wrongly labeled me as scum - the best
player ever wouldn't misread me.
Did I already mention the fact that I feel like he has disrupted this game?

DK - beware the barner.

imopen2 - I'd like to have a chat with him, but he voted me then disappeared, so I don't really know how to answer here.

Traces of the same mentality creep out here, but you also see some different pro-town tells here. He uses a lot of strong, decisive language. "Very". "100% sure". "scared as hell". "Either the best player ever or an arrogant egomaniac". If the original case against him was that he was indecisive and incapable of coming up with original, genuine thoughts of his own, this post is a complete refutation of that idea. He has ideas of his own, they're very alive to him, and he's trying to figure them out. He just didn't feel like it was the right time for him to share them with the rest of us.

I feel like I could come up with a lot of better answers than this, but this is ridicolous.
Tomorrow you're either getting shot by MoJo so your "chopping block" can get easily get taken out of the equation, or he dies overnight and you suddenly become a good target for a lynch to me.
Then again, he could survive the night and claim that his ability didn't work - but at that point I guess I'd really question myself on his claim and his alignment.
Aren't you getting a little too far ahead with your control rampage?

You know what? The best thing about this post is somewhere else - you're claiming that if I had hammered GR you would have followed up by investigating me, and that completely rules out the idea of scum NKing you, but that would have been a serious option for me if I was scum.

Again, with the sassiness, the decisive language. One idea flows naturally into the next, there's a clear chain
of conscious thought that indicates he's not thinking about what he ought to say, he's simply saying what he actually thinks.

Once we finally got some kind of honest content out of him, it was good, townie material. So yeah, I would be pretty surprised if he flips anything but town. He pretty much blew the case against him being indecisive/not having thoughts to smithereens simply by the style in which he replied, I think.

[Azrael]

^ This with RN is one of the many examples you will see of me being totally wrong about someone, by the way. Try to admit it when that happens, though.

[Azrael]

Also, how the hell is GR low-hanging fruit? He's one of the few people in the game who have actually played before and is posting a lot.

[rezombad]

Also, you say you didn't know he was a newbie, GR?

Because I seem to recall you laughing at his posts in the Sons of Anarchy signup thread, where he stated he was a new player, but was trying to give me some tips on how to play.

Lynch this liar?

about 5 pages in.

this post fucking bothers me.

so does rednihilist.

[rezombad]

You're confusing the fact that I have to go through walls of text while at work with scum mentality.

what?

[( G_R )]

You're confusing the fact that I have to go through walls of text while at work with scum mentality.

what?

[rezombad]

Neither of you seem to like Az either. Az is the one leading this wagon and he's gone on record about how certain he is. If he's wrong, then he's intentionally misleading and we can fix the problem tomorrow.

what do you mean by 'we can fix the problem tomorrow'?

[Dechs Kaison]

Neither of you seem to like Az either. Az is the one leading this wagon and he's gone on record about how certain he is. If he's wrong, then he's intentionally misleading and we can fix the problem tomorrow.

what do you mean by 'we can fix the problem tomorrow'?

Thought it was obvious. If he's intentionally misleading, then he's scum and we hang him. Or Jones shoots him like he claimed he would. He might still do that anyway.

[rezombad]

3. Directing a power role.

In reply to 3: This is almost valid. Someone claiming to be able to have a daykill power on the next Day is an extreme threat to scum and an obvious night kill target. He's an even better night kill if his previously announced daykill target is actually town, because it sets up for a mislynch. Maybe I am directing a power role here. I thought I was just stating the obvious.

You say it's almost valid, but don't say anything to invalidate it. Why is that?

[Dechs Kaison]

3. Directing a power role.

In reply to 3: This is almost valid. Someone claiming to be able to have a daykill power on the next Day is an extreme threat to scum and an obvious night kill target. He's an even better night kill if his previously announced daykill target is actually town, because it sets up for a mislynch. Maybe I am directing a power role here. I thought I was just stating the obvious.

You say it's almost valid, but don't say anything to invalidate it. Why is that?

Because I'm only directing a power role by stating the glaringly obvious. I'm not
saying anything that's not common knowledge.

[Dechs Kaison]

Hey, I just want to throw this out there before we get too far into this:

Thank you, Rez, for playing.

[rezombad]

Are you trying to play a better scum game currently?

Of course.

willing to lynch for this post.
Gonna catch up first though

[Dechs Kaison]

Are you trying to play a better scum game currently?

Of course.

willing to lynch for this post.
Gonna catch up first though

I know you saw the Gone Postal spectator thread. I know they called me a "cheeky fuck."

You can't seriously believe I'm that cheeky.

[rezombad]

Are you scum?

nope

[rezombad]

Retro Thursday, I'm bringing these back for emphasis and all the people who skimmed through them the first time:

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Let me break this down.

So apparently I'm getting lynched or shot at.

I already said that my official position is that I won't take a position D1. But if you really want to know my train of thought here it is:

Subtext: I'm doing you a solid by replying to your unreasonable demand to make my position public. Because I'm tots a good guy.

First Az post is obviously "Let's not have silly RSV", which I like and gives
you town points in my spreadsheet. But then I start saying to myself: "This is Azrael. Scum Azrael could easily do that on purpose to get the aforementioned town points, while making us look into RN with the townie comment". WIFOM. So screw your edgy play, I'm just gonna see how others react to it. So I poke RN.

So, we have a conscious decision to see how other players react to my play before you take an action or stance of your own. That's in line with what I figured your mentality was - and it's the classic scum mentality. Scum often experience great difficulty being decisive when it comes to taking sides on a difficult or potentially controversial behavioral analysis question, because they find it difficult to know how they would perceive the evidence, if they were town.

The natural townie response in such a situation is to be inquisitive, to gather more evidence, ask questions, like Ham was doing, in order to get to the bottom of the situation.

The natural scum
response, by contrast, is what GR did. To wait and see how the wind was blowing, and how other players begin to react, and to take his cues on how best to camouflage himself and proceed based on the responses of other players.

Then kpaca starts post ping pong with you, and I'm like holy shit is one of them scum, both or none? I said as much and stuck to my plan of watching the others when Dechs scored enough scum points to get a vote.

I still have the gut feeling that you may be town aggressively scum hunting, so I was not about to vote for you, but at the same time, I had no strong reason to make a case for your towniness once you reached L-1 and were out of it before I could even finish reading all the walls of text.

One of the characteristics of the scum mentality I described above is very evident in this paragraph here, and also in the paragraph above. Scum are very often able to identify multiple competing factors that they ought to weigh (
such as my aggressive scum-hunting), or the "possibility that I'm doing it for WIFOM".

What they find it difficult to do is figure out which of those factors should be the one that persuades them.

In this case, I think it's even more difficult for GR to fake the correct mentality b/c there are a couple clues buried in this text that indicate he knows I'm town, and is finding it difficult to present alternatives. The best explanation he has for his confusion isn't that he's focused on the "mistake" I made that everyone else is focused on. Apparently, that's not of concern to him - probably because he knows it for an honest mistake due to his inside knowledge.

No, what he's actually struggling with if you read between the lines here is how to justify still voting for me despite what he's perceiving (a bit more easily than others thanks to the bias of his inside knowledge) as a strong scum-hunting record. Apparently, the idea that I'm capable of faking a strong scum-
hunting record is enough to paralyze him in a bout of confusion and inertia? I don't buy that for a second. What he's worrying about is how to justify his vote, when all hell breaks loose in the inevitable counter-analysis wagon that would take place the instant I flip town. That's what's staying his hand, that has him frozen on the sidelines, waiting for the rest of the town to take positions first.

My vote for Dechs is supposed to be weird but other than you pointing out that his counterclaim is not something that scum would do (which despite being a good point, only raises the question of whether you could be scum buddies) no one has said why those bells I heard are only in my head.

I didn't really know that he's a newbie, so I'm going to review his posts under that light and see whether I was overreacting.

You attempted to crucify him very aggressively for what were nothing more than innocent logic tells. Both the style and substance of
the attack were far too bloodthirsty.

Confirm vote.

Also, you say you didn't know he was a newbie, GR?

Because I seem to recall you laughing at his posts in the Sons of Anarchy signup thread, where he stated he was a new player, but was trying to give me some tips on how to play.

Lynch this liar?

Ooo. "But If you really want to know my train of thought, here it is".

That's another good bit, there. It's like I'm torturing him by simply dragging an attempt to describe his own train of thought out of him.

Which vote am I trying to justify again? And you call a single vote a crucifixion?

You're confusing the fact
that I have to go through walls of text while at work with scum mentality. My not wanting to take a stance about you comes from the fact that I both know what your trajectory is and how long your posts are. I'd rather deal with you when we have a better picture and probably caught a less experienced scum.

Fine, I'm being lazy, but at least I'm trying to post stuff and get reactions out of not you players.

Translation: "It's not fair that I'm actually playing this game and making an effort as compared to the lurkers, and got caught because I took the high road of actually participating."

I agree, actually. It's not fair.

But your activity level has nothing to do with the scum-mindset that's clearly evident in your description of your train of thought.

This was your Dechs vote:

Unvote RedNihilist
Vote Dechs Kaison

I don't like your use of the word "trap", your vote-hopping, nor the fact that you're trying to
direct a power role.

Your light-claim is not helping your case either.

This is pretty strongly worded for a page one or two vote. Too strongly worded, and on too thin a basis. His light-claim isn't helping his case? Doesn't even make sense. And the rest of it just buzz-words as a substitute for a real case, strung together with smilies for hyperbole and emphasis, as if it should be self-evident that the three things you mention are unpardonable sins of some kind.

And then, you immediately back off that strongly worded read when I call it out. Those convictions weren't as strong as you'd have us believe, after all. Not when you take fire for them.

Scum plays, every step of the way.

PPE - You're dodging the point, GR. You were there for the conversation. You heard him say
he was a new player. You can't write off your case b/c you didn't realize he was a newbie - you did know it.

I'm enjoying the fireworks but I often like to look for "honestly" and "TBH" wording, as it often suggests a self-deception in progress.

You can look up something called performatives, which are phrases inserted before a lie, commonly used by politicians.

I haven't caught any scum with this observation yet, but looking forward to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSHCdalj3Fo

In my mind, the slip is just icing on the cake of everything else going on with him. Read for yourself the posts where I take apart GR's mindset piece by piece. That's the
true damning evidence - five or six different high quality behavioral scum tells occuring in rapid succession, from a very unconvincing explanation of why he's in a dilemma over taking a position on me, to lack of townie inquisitiveness and engagement, consistently exhibiting verbal tics indicating lies, difficulty weighing competing behavioral evidence, nervousness in sharing his thought patterns, to his overaggression and lack of conviction when it came to his vote against you, and his bare OMGUS vote putting me to L-1.

It's like he fell out of the ugly tree, hit half the branches on the way down, and then climbed up into it so that he could jump out of it again and hit all the rest.

Nobody falls into making that many high-quality scum mindset tells in such rapid succession by mistake or accident - it's a pattern. In 95% of my cases, I have some reservations about whether the case is actually correct, there's almost always some lingering doubts whether or not I could be wrong, and frequently I'
ll change my mind as new evidence comes in. This is one of the 5% of scenarios where the clarity and quality of the evidence is remarkable.

Read those posts carefully, read between the lines for his mindset. You will not find many more obvious examples than these of what a scum mentality looks like.

tl;dr

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You're confusing the fact that I have to go through walls of text while at work with scum mentality.

what?

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