Gone Postal Mafia - Game Over - Scum Win

[Dechs Kaison]

Dechs:

I didn't get a confirmation that my action was successful, but I got a confirmation that Stardust received it. I wrote a short message to my target, in the same format as the sample in the OP, and stated that I wished to use my letter bomb ability with that message.

Well, obviously you wouldn't get a confirmation that it was successful because it wasn't successful. It didn't kill anyone.

But at least we know it was confirmed that you sent it. And if Jack is telling the truth (which I'm willing to believe), then we have to assume it was delivered to a protected target.

[RedNihilist]

1) ham did you target Pie? [Y/N]
2) Jack did you target ham? [Y/N]

Jack already said he protected Ham and that his action was confirmed.

I just don't believe him because reasons.

Be back in 3 hours.

[Dechs Kaison]

If you don't believe Jack, then you're definitely voting in the wrong place.

[Dechs Kaison]

So what's up with that?

[RedNihilist]

I recall the end of day 1 and of day 2 and I'm 99.9% sure Wraith is scum, period.

Also, I know things, just trust me for the moment.

[hamfactorial]

I believe in you, Red.

[Dechs Kaison]

I'm pretty sure I can't take "just trust me" at face value in a game of Mafia.

Either way, I'd like to hear from the rest of this crowd before I vote on anyone. I really think the key to this is going to be figuring out what happened to Ham's bomb. I've got good reason to believe he delivered it.

[hamfactorial]

Some more info for y'all.

When I wrote my message, I took advantage of a technicality in the OP. This section in particular:

There are two ways to send mail:
1) Regular mail with return address - Sign a name at the bottom of your letter (must be full and correct username). Undeliverable mail will be returned to the signed party.
2) Regular mail with no return address - You’ll be anonymous, but you won’t know for sure if your letter was delivered.

I signed the letter, but not with my full and correct username. I didn't want the bomb coming back to me if it was undeliverable, but I wanted it to be obvious where it came from in case someone opened it and we got a chance to read it.

Who knows whether Stardust even noticed it, but that was my thinking at the time. Maybe it did get bounced and is sitting on an undeliverable bin somewhere.

[Dechs Kaison]

Ham, the first mail I sent was to Jack. We confirmed it day 2. I only signed my name "Dechs" and I did not get confirmation that it was delivered, but Jack says he got it.

That tells me that Stardust is aware that you used an abbreviation of your name and did not give you the confirmation that it was delivered.

[hamfactorial]

Who said I used an abbreviation of my name?

[Dechs Kaison]

I assumed that's what you meant by "not my full and correct user name."

[hamfactorial]

Or maybe you read my mail, you sly devil.

[Dechs Kaison]

If I had read your mail, then I'd have to have been the recipient. If that were the case, I would either be dead (I'm not), or I would have to be the Bulletproof or otherwise protected Scum Boss (you know, the one that I'm telling you to lynch).

[Dechs Kaison]

Who you actually targeted needs to come out eventually, but I think you should hang on to that until we get to hear from more people.

[hamfactorial]

Indeed

I'm mostly just fucking with you, but this game appears powerful so a mail reader seems reasonable.

[Dechs Kaison]

I don't deny that a mail reader seems reasonable. I would expect, though, that anyone who read your mail to have been blown up by its bomb.

[Dechs Kaison]

Or is that flavor gaming?

[hamfactorial]

I think that's a reasonable assumption, flavor gaming would be assuming that rez's role, Newman, is scum because he was always portrayed as evil on Seinfeld. See Ragnarok mafia for some epic flavor gaming from Wraith.

[Wraith223]

Yes, but I was right. Iso or Thassa was the outsider of all the gods as i called it, and no one seems to notice that. Also Red called that Mogis was a turn coat and started the mess. Please remember that as Flavor gaming identified one scum, and town made rags of me for it. Town were idiots that game. Now to business...

Some of you have questions for me.
1. I roleblocked MoJo. He seemed way to quiet, but now it seems pointless as he is quitting/request replacement. When Rez flipped town; I had no other ideas as Jack was supposedly protecting C_P. The lurker seemed the best target.
2. I mailed C_P. Did you get it? How did I sign my name?
3. I got mail from InflateablePie, but it seems...off.

Since he is gone and I find that very weird; I will post his mail.

I am a MailTracker. Tracked Red N1 ("who else mailed imopen? I know someone did"); he mailed imopen. Sent mail to Jack N1 w/ alias "GGtap&
quot; (Tracker, Magic card). If I die, make him claim the 'mysterious' mail he got before telling him I sent it. Tracking Jack tonight because it's the only good move - I could track ham but we'll know who he killed (unless he's like WTF I GOT REDIRECTED but I doubt it)

I don't know how to feel about Rez flipping actual-tracker w/ a mailtracker and mailwatcher in the game. Don't think it quite incriminated Red though. Make sure there is a massclaim tomorrow. Still have newbtells on Jack, most wary of Wraith but his random roleblock claim seems town? I don't know. But I think MJ is town between the hammer and CM's breadcrumbing, no scum motivation. If you disagree, fine. But scum are probably in the PR claims now that rez flipped town, I just don't know who. Dechs/LMD might be good wagons solely because of PoE.

I think I'll die tonight for being incredibly protown so don't be surprised if I die or try and WIFOM the NK again.

I think that about covers it.
~InflatablePie

So that was his
message. I find it was not to me? Anyone else have mail that appears that was not to them or seemed odd? What if scum did something to the mail? It would explain Ham's bomb not working if some ability could redirect it or send it elsewhere?
Why was InflateablePie killed? He created the wagon for lynching town. Why target that guy? It makes no sense. Wouldn't ham been a better target? I am so confused, unless ham is scum and claiming his ability failed to cover a night kill. I make excuses for voting Rez and take full responsibility for the hammer. I seriously thought he was scum. Damn it.
Before people go nuts against me; did C_P receive my mail? If not; who did? I got someone else's mail and think others may have as well.

[hamfactorial]

Wraith:

Why didn't you follow through on Pie's request to ask Jack about the mail before posting that?

[Jack]

I'm pretty sure I can't take "just trust me" at face value in a game of Mafia.

Really? Because I'm the one who said that my own action was mod-confirmed.

[Jack]

Anyway, I'm surprised that CP didn't get my mail.

[Jack]

There was a small error in the formatting (forgot to put quotes around the word "message," so the quote function didn't work), but I did sign it, and never got the message back.

[Jack]

Making me think that it was still delivered, and CP is lying to see how I react.

[Jack]

Here's the mail that I tried to send:
________________________________-


And I'd like to send this message to Cursed_Pride:
[quote=message]
Hey, since you're getting this, I guess you know that I'm not cloaking you tonight. I see Ham's plan as really strong. And while ham isn't confirmed town, I don't think anyone sees him as scum, making him about as good of a nk target as you. So if only 1 guy dies tonight, either scum tried to kill ham or ham tried to kill scum and scum has a role that grants protection or ham was lying entirely about his night ability.
Signed,
Jack[/quote]
Thanks!

[Wraith223]

Wraith:

Why didn't you follow through on Pie's request to ask Jack about the mail before posting that?

I am a MailTracker. Tracked Red N1 ("who else mailed imopen? I know someone did"); he mailed imopen. Sent mail to Jack N1 w/ alias "GGtap" (Tracker, Magic card). If I die, make him claim the 'mysterious' mail he got before telling him I sent it. Tracking Jack tonight because it's the only good move - I could track ham but we'll know who he killed (unless he's like WTF I GOT REDIRECTED but I doubt it)

I don't know how to feel about Rez flipping actual-tracker w/ a mailtracker and mailwatcher in the game. Don't think it quite incriminated Red though. Make sure there is a massclaim tomorrow. Still have
newbtells on Jack, most wary of Wraith but his random roleblock claim seems town? I don't know. But I think MJ is town between the hammer and CM's breadcrumbing, no scum motivation. If you disagree, fine. But scum are probably in the PR claims now that rez flipped town, I just don't know who. Dechs/LMD might be good wagons solely because of PoE.

I think I'll die tonight for being incredibly protown so don't be surprised if I die or try and WIFOM the NK again.

I think that about covers it.
~InflatablePie

This was not for me as why would Pie say that in a letter to me? Did he ask he to before the game? I thought it was pertinent for town to show this quickly as I think something happened to the mail.

[hamfactorial]

Yeah, that's fine but if you're town, asking Jack to confirm his mail per Pie's request would only help us out.

[Dechs Kaison]

You're a moron, Wraith.

Doesn't matter who that was sent to, it asked to confirm something before giving the information up.

[Jack]

Wraith:

Why didn't you follow through on Pie's request to ask Jack about the mail before posting that?

If I die, make him claim the 'mysterious' mail he got before telling him I sent it..

[Jack]

Haha. Nath'd.

[Jack]

I did get that, though.

[Dechs Kaison]

It bothers me that this feels like a game of five active players.

[Jack]

my second letter from night 1:

_________________________________
imopen2 and Wraith223 are the scummiest on the rcw wagon. Keep an eye on them. Reread the posts surrounding the wagon to hunt for scum. RedNihilist is probably town.

Sadly, I do not have anything else useful to say toNight, especially considering I'm wary of divulging anything important to a potential scumread. For this reason, I'm sending my mail anonymously.

Love and Suspicion,
~GGtap

[Wraith223]

Here's the mail that I tried to send:
________________________________-


And I'd like to send this message to Cursed_Pride:

Hey, since you're getting this, I guess you know that I'm not cloaking you tonight. I see Ham's plan as really strong. And while ham isn't confirmed town, I don't think anyone sees him as scum, making him about as good of a nk target as you. So if only 1 guy dies tonight, either scum tried to kill ham or ham tried to kill scum and scum has a role that grants protection or ham was lying entirely about his night ability.
Signed,
Jack

Thanks!

This looks like you are covering up a night kill! I did not role block you so YOU would protect confirmed town. WTH?

You have to be scum then as
protecting confirmed town is important for town to win. I would expect Ham or you to get nightkilled as your abilities are strong for town. Neither of you got NK'd and Pie got whacked? This is so bull shit as one of you nuked Pie and the other had to have something to the mail.

Vote Jack

1. did protect C_P
2. Helping Ham to letter bomb and now says WTH with the failed attempt.
-you are lying on your ability
-you are creating a great cover story for a night kill.
3. Pie suspected you and tracked you.


@Ham, I am unsure if this is scum mail trying to mess with us. Thoughts? I am also unsure if you are scum. Who did you letter bomb?

[Wraith223]

You're a moron, Wraith.

Doesn't matter who that was sent to, it asked to confirm something before giving the information up.

I must be, but can clarify the second sentence?

[Dechs Kaison]

The mail you got had private information that could help us confirm that mail was working as intended.

As it stands now, he knew about the signature "GGtap" before he had to claim anything about it, so he could be making all kinds of shit up to make you look bad while making him look good.

[Wraith223]

Another thought, What if someone else signed the letter? Jack for instance could have created a self confirming letter. Just a theory.

[hamfactorial]

[Jack]

Another thought, What if someone else signed the letter? Jack for instance could have created a self confirming letter. Just a theory.

What would it confirm, aside from the fact that I received mail 20 or so days ago from a player no longer in the game?

[Dechs Kaison]

So, here's where I'm at. I'm willing to lynch any one of these three people right now:

1. Ham's bomb target - because likely protected scum.
2. MoJo - Safe lynch. Worst case, it's a non-contributing townie and we've lost nothing of value.
3. Wraith - I think this case has been laid out well enough.


My first day I pushed a wagon that failed, then I voted on the wrong wagon the next day. I don't want to make another mistake.