Fire and Ice Mafia - Game Over!

Void · Postby **Void** » Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:09 pm

@Stardust:
If you're going to approach me like that, then, yes, I will ignore your question. I just didn't see it prior to responding yo Wraith.
Why so defensive? I was basically just asking if you were being stubborn and reminding you that I do want answers.

Discredit is not the right choice of word here. You are trying to force a Town slip through when it can be easily faked. I understand why you see as a Town
Slip, but the motivation behind trying to force everyone to see the way you see it is not something I would expect a possible Town member to do let alone someone who is claiming to be the Doctor of the game.
I'm not really trying to push anything. I was perfectly happy believing in the town slip and perfectly happy with you disagreeing until I realised that you're probably lying. Either now or earlier. You say you understand why I think it's a town slip (as you said before), but somewhere in the middle you suddenly realised that this game has two scum teams which is the entire basis of the slip. So really, I don't understand how you can say now that you understood what I was talking about when you clearly realised later.

You approach me sideways and then accuse me of being defensive? You are really full of yourself here. Of course I was being defensive. Anyone who approaches me in that manner will get my defensive side because that was not called for.

That being
said, I will be leaving this site when this game ends for me. This site is just plain unhealthy.

Postby **Stardust** » Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:11 pm

Approach you sideways? What does that mean?

Unvote, Vote DroppinSuga.

Void · Postby **Void** » Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:14 pm

Cali lingo, sorry about that.

The way you worded your post it felt like you coming at me personally rather than just a player.

Postby **Stardust** » Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:42 pm

You said,

I have ignored questions/not answered them because I was being stubborn as both Town and Scum.

So I said,

Is that why you're ignoring questions now?

I don't know why you should think that was offensive, but sorry anyway. You're probably town anyway.

imopen2 · Postby **imopen2** » Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:56 pm

"That being said, I will be leaving this site when this game ends for me. This site is just plain unhealthy."

I'm sorry for your lots

Kazekirimaru · Postby **Kazekirimaru** » Fri Feb 07, 2014 1:08 am

Vote Count 14!
A House in New Orleans

Stardust (0)
zemanjaski (0)
Void (2) - Fate, Void
Wraith223 (0)
Fate (2) - Wraith223, Void
Captain Murphy (0)
DroppinSuga (2) - ( G_R ), DroppinSuga
Manders (0)
rezombad (0)
(G_R) (0)
imopen2 (0)

Not Voting (5) - zemanjaski, Captain Murphy, Manders, rezombad, DroppinSuga

With 11 alive, it is 6 to lynch.

Deadline is: 14 February, 2014 11:59PM EST

Postby **Stardust** » Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:57 am

I'm voting Suga and you've got Void voting for himself again.

imopen2 · Postby **imopen2** » Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:10 am

Yea, you've replaced me with void

Manders · Postby **Manders** » Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:44 pm

Nothing? In that first post I'm basically accusing him of casting doubt on imopen's town slip without even understanding why it was a town slip. Then I vote him.
So why did it take you an hour and a half to vote him?
Trouble typing again?
No, I just didn't want to move my vote off Fate before getting his
response.

Ok. Another question, though.

Why did you vote Void with no reason then ask imopen2 to case him. Why not case him yourself?

And if you're referring to the cop incident, I'll have you know that had nothing to do with typing. I just read my role PM upside down. doc -> ɔop

No, it was a funny comment because I was imagining you literally taking an hour and a half to type out that post.

I didn't feel good plus r_0 was unexpectedly off work, so I didn't get to re-read. Trust me, I'll have lots to say when I do, which SHOULD be tonight after I sleep.

Postby **Stardust** » Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:00 pm

Why did you vote Void with no reason then ask imopen2 to case him. Why not case him yourself?

Because I'm still trying to figure out imopen and his wagon hop caught my eye. I'll case people when I'm ready to actually push for a lynch. I still don't feel like I have enough info to make a correct call toDay.

Don't take too long on that reread, eh? We're 7 days to deadline.

Postby **Stardust** » Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:08 pm

Kaze: DroppinSuga, Fate and rezombad are all due for a prod later tonight. Given that you're still searching for a replacement for the Captain, think we can get an extension on the deadline?

Link · Postby **Link** » Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:58 pm

what the hell

Link · Postby **Link** » Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:01 pm

Wraith, you just suck. And are likely still scum.

More later.

too much truth. Never voting murphy

ohyeah imopen scum wagoned murphy btw.

Dont let that slip through the cracks

Link · Postby **Link** » Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:02 pm

Unvote:
Vote: Suga

no need for extension

rezombad · Postby **rezombad** » Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:05 pm

@Kaze: You missed my vote for Suga: viewtopic.php?p=183721#p183721

@Everyone Else: More votes for Suga.

Wraith223 · Postby **Wraith223** » Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:50 pm

Wraith, you just suck. And are likely still scum.

More later.

Maybe you understood that.

Wraith223 · Postby **Wraith223** » Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:00 pm

I don't see DroppinSuga really explaining himself...ever, thus bandwagon voting him appears as targeting the retard of the group for an easy lynch by scum.

Why are so many of you pushing for a lynch of the retard when we have clear evidence for other scum targets (Fate and Captain Murphy)? What has droppinsuga done that is scumy that he deserves a vote over FATE (self claimed scum), Captain Murphy (doc hunting), Imopen2 (inconsistantcy, unawareness of easy to know rules, claiming quiting of game then keeps playing), and Stardust (makes unverfiable claims). In games earlier played in or watched, these were lynching offenses. WTF changed?

Vote Fate! SelF claimed scum, posts crap that is as useless as DroppinSuga, and never answers the question why claiming scum helps town. How could town be so stupid?

Kazekirimaru · Postby **Kazekirimaru** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:32 am

Vote Count 15!
Power Pole, extend!

Stardust (0)
zemanjaski (0)
Void (1) - imopen2
Wraith223 (0)
Fate (2) - Wraith223, Void
Captain Murphy (0)
DroppinSuga (4) - ( G_R ), rezombad, Stardust, Fate
Manders (0)
rezombad (0)
(G_R) (0)
imopen2 (0)

Not Voting (4) - zemanjaski, Captain Murphy, Manders, DroppinSuga

With 11 alive, it is 6 to lynch.

Deadline is: 14 February, 2014 11:59PM EST

Kazekirimaru · Postby **Kazekirimaru** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:33 am

Kaze: DroppinSuga, Fate and rezombad are all due for a prod later tonight. Given that you're still searching for a replacement for the Captain, think we can get an extension on the deadline?

I'll likely consider extension if we get close to deadline without a replacement.

Speaking of which, anyone on Sally wanna poke a friend to see if they'll drop by? I'm having issues logging in to the new site. ._.

DroppinSuga · Postby **DroppinSuga** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:40 am

I'm not going to bother defending myself, but I'd like to point out that I'd really like to punch wraith in the face. That is all.

Good day gentlemen.

( G_R ) · Postby **( G_R )** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:45 am

Posted in the rape cave:

imopen2 · Postby **imopen2** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:42 am

very nice

Manders · Postby **Manders** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:48 am

Links to rcwraspy's posts:

Summary:

So, he said a lot more than I thought he did. (I think this was subconsciously caused by him not having an avatar. Like, I remember those things being said, just not
him saying them.)

So, anyway, his top six pics for scum were Freedom, imopen2, Zeman, Wraith, CM, and Stardust. He actually spent much of the day questioning imopen2 and CM. Through re-reading him, he was obviously Town, asking good questions and showing a Town mindset. (I'm also pretty sure I ignored him, subconciously, because of this. He wasn't a threat in my mind.) He wasn't a bad choice if one or both of a scumteam is on that list. He proposed both imopen/CM and imopen/Stardust scumteams throughout the day. Both are possible.

He also had concerns about Fate. I'm not sure how I feel about Fate, but I'm kinda concerned about leaving him alive if he IS scum.

Stardust, I need to re-read. I have a nagging suspicion and I need to confirm or condemn it. Let me work on that now.

I'm still not sure who to vote, so I'll abstain for now.

Manders · Postby **Manders** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:15 am

I'm re-reading and making a big post on Stardust, but I'm going to post questions throughout.

As for taking it seriously, that seems reasonable; I did quickly end RVS in DTR mafia with a gambit play after all, and the consensus here seems to be that I have an aggressive style, so I can understand his reasoning. Overall though, his follow up posts seem more defensive than I would ordinarily expect from G_R, but that read is based more on intuition than experience - I just don't think he is the sort of guy that would show pressure quickly.

Keeping my vote on him for now; apparently that is the best way to get crazy responses from people.

Except that G_R had already expressed frustration at ALWAYS being suspected on D1. That would explain
getting defensive quickly, as you're trying to keep the flames from spreading. I really get 0 scum vibes from G_R this game, and I'm not sure why anyone else would.

But why would you want to get crazy responses from people?

Manders · Postby **Manders** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:40 am

I came across Wraith's "ZOMG CONTRADICTION" post and realized where the misunderstanding came from.

There could be a bit of town motivation. He could just be a townie saying the wrong things, like I am. He could even be the doctor. But calling him scum
is a good way to get more information from him.
Unvote, vote Freedom

You were asking for it with this post. Scum no. 1 found. All aboard the wagon. Lynch lynch lynch lynch lynch.
No. All he is saying is that he is a townie who is saying the wrong things. What is scummy about that?

In Post 113, you just voted Captain Murphy for Doc hunting and you now find Freedom doing that is OK? What a load of crap as you can't have it both ways! SCUM defending scum here!

Freedom wasn't attempting to doc hunt. He said there COULD be town motivation behind CM's proposal (and
was agreeing with Zemanski when he said so, because Z said that first), but advised that he still thought he was scum.

So, now that I've spelled that out, do you STILL think imopen2 was caught in a contradiction, Wraith?

Manders · Postby **Manders** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:52 am

I'll let someone else deal with Wraith. Please don't let him get away with that post without questioning.

The post in question:

Damn Zem. Off and running to stir the pot with traps. Good job.

Vote Iamopen2 for bandwagoning on Stardust and acting scummy in every game I have played with him.

Greetings Manders! Have not met you before.

<Off game>, I am caring for my injured Grandfather till next Saturaday (see FoS clan thread for more details), thus my posts might be short as he constantly needs something. Grandmother with 1930's OCD is not helping
either. This does not mean I will lurk, but walls of text will be hard to work with as I only have my Ipad.
<end off game mode>

Zem plays really consistent, thus watching for scum tells will be very hard.

I found it hilarious how Kaz put the warning label of Flavor gaming. You know, for idgets like me

Let's see if anything ever happens with this:

Yup, like I thought. Nothing ever does.

Stardust, why don't you go ahead and address this now while I work on my big post? kthxbai

Manders · Postby **Manders** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:01 am

There is a day chat for both scum teams. You'll see this if you you back and read the sample PMs.
Shit, I misread. Just a night chat for the mafia.

Yeah, okay, I'll lynch freedom. Give it a day or two to get responses to my questions in and I'll pack 'er up.

Now that he's Town and we know it, why did you blatantly not believe HIS townslip, but you did imopen2's?

Manders · Postby **Manders** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:05 am

No, actually, although you seem pretty sincere now. I'm really not sure about you.

Basically, what you did might be considered a town tell, except that it's so stupid. How can you be mafia when you think they have Daychat, right? Obviously you hadn't read the role PM's, and it certainly couldn't be your own role PM! Problem is, it's so contrived, like you're trying to town slip. Responding less than a minute later instead of just checking while you're posting? I'm not sure i can buy that.

Ok, you provided this explanation, but really, how was it not Occam's Razor that he just, actually, checked after he posted? I've done that before. Have you not?

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:08 am

I'm re-reading and making a big post on Stardust, but I'm going to post questions throughout.

As for taking it seriously, that seems reasonable; I did quickly end RVS in DTR mafia with a gambit play after all, and the consensus here seems to be that I have an aggressive style, so I can understand his reasoning. Overall though, his follow up posts seem more defensive than I would ordinarily expect from G_R, but that read is based more on intuition than experience - I just don't think he is the sort of guy that would show pressure quickly.

Keeping my vote on him for now; apparently that is the best
way to get crazy responses from people.
Except that G_R had already expressed frustration at ALWAYS being suspected on D1. That would explain getting defensive quickly, as you're trying to keep the flames from spreading. I really get 0 scum vibes from G_R this game, and I'm not sure why anyone else would.

But why would you want to get crazy responses from people?

There's this thing called sarcasm Manders

I've had some very weird games in my short mafia history, this comment was directed at my game history.

Manders · Postby **Manders** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:18 am

For context, I reread imopen's posts again and am just about 100% sure he's scum at this point. We should probably just lynch him before this Day gets stagnant.

This rubs me the wrong way.

imopen2 · Postby **imopen2** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:21 am

I came across Wraith's "ZOMG CONTRADICTION" post and realized where the misunderstanding came from.

There could be a
bit of town motivation. He could just be a townie saying the wrong things, like I am. He could even be the doctor. But calling him scum is a good way to get more information from him.
Unvote, vote Freedom

You were asking for it with this post. Scum no. 1 found. All aboard the wagon. Lynch lynch lynch lynch lynch.
No. All he is saying is that he is a townie who is saying the wrong things. What is scummy about that?

In Post 113, you just voted Captain Murphy for Doc hunting and you now find Freedom doing that is OK? What a load of crap as you can't have it both ways! SCUM defending scum
here!
Freedom wasn't attempting to doc hunt. He said there COULD be town motivation behind CM's proposal (and was agreeing with Zemanski when he said so, because Z said that first), but advised that he still thought he was scum.

So, now that I've spelled that out, do you STILL think imopen2 was caught in a contradiction, Wraith?

I feel like I've explained that to him and he just can't see the gradation in thinking

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:24 am

For context, I reread imopen's posts again and am just about 100% sure he's scum at this point. We should probably just lynch him before this Day gets stagnant.
This rubs me the wrong way.

This is a good catch.

Manders · Postby **Manders** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:32 am

:sigh:

I dunno. Is it easy? I'm not so sure. Hidden within the middle of a paragraph, off-hand reference with no attention drawn to it whatsoever, subtle enough that I doubt most people (me included) would even catch it 95% of the time. It doesn't feel intentional.

If it wasn't faked, do you agree it counts as a slip? Do you see the mindset I'm talking about there?

Yeah, I forgot about this post.

I no longer believe my suspicions were correct.

I have no clue who is scum, other than Wraith. Unfortunately, I don't think I'll have time to case him before the deadline, so I propose that we lynch CM. AFAIK, many think he is scum (or at least scummy) and we're having trouble finding a replacement. He never once made me think he was Town
Yesterday, and what I re-read shows him doing a lot of ignoring me.

Vote: Captain Murphy.
Who's with me?

Manders · Postby **Manders** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:33 am

I came across Wraith's "ZOMG CONTRADICTION" post and realized where the misunderstanding came from.

There could be a bit of town motivation. He could just be a townie saying the wrong things, like I am. He could even be the doctor. But calling him scum is a good way to get more information from him.
Unvote, vote Freedom

You were asking for it with this post. Scum no. 1 found. All aboard the wagon. Lynch lynch lynch lynch lynch.
No. All he is saying is that he is a townie who is saying the wrong things. What is scummy about that?

In Post 113,
you just voted Captain Murphy for Doc hunting and you now find Freedom doing that is OK? What a load of crap as you can't have it both ways! SCUM defending scum here!
Freedom wasn't attempting to doc hunt. He said there COULD be town motivation behind CM's proposal (and was agreeing with Zemanski when he said so, because Z said that first), but advised that he still thought he was scum.

So, now that I've spelled that out, do you STILL think imopen2 was caught in a contradiction, Wraith?
I feel like I've explained that to him and he just can't see the gradation in thinking

You did. Let's see if I did any better.

Manders · Postby **Manders** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:35 am

For context, I reread imopen's posts again and am just about 100% sure he's scum at this point. We should probably just lynch him before this Day gets stagnant.
This rubs me the wrong way.
This is a good catch.

Yeah, I thought so. I mean, we still had, what, a week until deadline? More than enough time to discuss it more.
Just doesn't seem like the Stardust I know.

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:35 am

Having played with Wraith quite a bit, his posts are consistent with his Town game. Caveat to that, I don't think he's ever been scum.

( G_R ) · Postby **( G_R )** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:08 pm

I hope we get a replacement, but is it a good idea to lynch Murphy instead of having him modkilled? Or better yet, if he does end up getting modkilled we vote no lynch if he flips town?

Mod: would he be modkilled before or after the deadline?

Link · Postby **Link** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:16 pm

oh wait MANDERS posted that thing why did I confuse him with murphy

MANDERS is town Fate, get it together

Link · Postby **Link** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:28 pm

modkills that don't end the day would be sweet and also broken for town

I approve

DroppinSuga · Postby **DroppinSuga** » Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:51 pm

I say we just lynch me and get this day over with.

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