[Fedoras of Salvation] - White Knights ITT

[LP, of the Fires]

How playable is mogis actually? There are a LOT of good 4 drops.

[redthirst]

How playable is mogis actually?

Not even at all.

[NerdBoyWonder]

How playable is mogis actually? There are a LOT of good 4 drops.

I don't think Mogis fits in a aggro shell. B/r Midrange, B/r control, or B/r Devotion is where I see him. Even than I think he is is only in the SB.

[LP, of the Fires]

How playable is mogis actually?

Not even at all.

I could easily believe this. He seems like a more narrow hoden of infinite range that has upside in magical chrismasland.

[Dechs Kaison]

How playable is mogis actually? There are a LOT of good 4 drops.

On a scale from 1 to Playable, I'm going to go with "Not at all."

Requires a total devotion of seven to be a creature, so to attack on turn five, you'd have to be playing very heavy color costed stuffs and not be trading any of them away. He doesn't have any evasion and doing 2 damage per turn isn't enough to justify the four drop.

[redthirst]

If you find yourself getting just blown the fuck out by UB Control, then it might be an okay SB card. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure it's straight garbage.

[Self Medicated]

I think Mogis is too conditional to be any good in Standard. You have to meet a rather high devotion in order for it too be a creature, and your opponent gets to decide whether or not he will be taking damage, depending on his creatures. Too many stars have to align in order for Mogis to really pressure an opponent.

EDIT: Price for Mogis is $12 on SCG. I predict it will settle somewhere between $6 and $10. Probably closer to $6. That seems to be what the Gods from Theros are priced at.

[NerdBoyWonder]

If you find yourself getting just blown the fuck out by UB Control, then it might be an okay SB card. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure it's straight garbage.

It saddens me that the only playable God so far is Thassa.

Mogis joins Purphoros in my EDH deck it seems.

[rcwraspy]

If you find yourself getting just blown the fuck out by UB Control, then it might be an okay SB card. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure it's straight garbage.

It saddens me that the only playable God so far is Thassa.

Mogis joins Purphoros in my EDH deck it seems.

Erebos is playable, but not as obviously so as Thassa in the mono-Blue devotion deck.

[Nuwen]

True/false: hybrid mana costs count as 1 devotion for each color?

So a Rakdos Cackler is 1 red devotion and 1 black devotion, for example. A rakdos shred-freak is 2 red devotion and 2 black devotion?

[Self Medicated]

True/false: hybrid mana costs count as 1 devotion for each color? True

So a Rakdos Cackler is 1 red devotion and 1 black devotion, for example. A rakdos shred-freak is 2 red devotion and 2 black devotion? Correct

[Khaospawn]

Yes, ma'am

[redthirst]

True, but you only get one total devotion per mana symbol.

So Shred-Freak is 2 Black or 2 Red or 1 Black and 1 Red for the purposes of Mogis, but, if you had both Purph and Erebos out, it'd count as 2 red for Purph and 2 Black for Erebos.

It doesn't count as 4 devotion for Mogis, though.

[hamfactorial]

Inb4 Demigod of Revenge + Mogis destroys the Legacy metagame.

[Alex]

Desecration Demon was awsome to me when I first saw it. Cheap cmc for a 6/6, cool newish ability (forces scrifice on maybe hexproof dudes), was not to badly out classed with flying. Downsides were big sets and outclassed in modern. The unknown bonus was devotion to black. I also got them for a $1.50 each.

The problem with Demon last year was that he enabled morbid triggers. Red proved itself to be strong early last season, and a lot of decks were running some copies of Brimstone Volley. Whenever I saw a Demon, they were pretty much
eating 5 to the face every time. Tragic Slip was also heavily played, so the Demon never really stood a chance.

Also, when you compared him to the other 4-drops in the format at the time, he was outclassed by Falkenrath Aristocrat, Huntmaster of the Fells, Hellrider, Olivia Voldaren, just to name a few. Whatever deck you chose to play, there was always a better choice it seemed.

I predicted early that once rotation hit, he'd be a force to be reckoned with. Unfortunately, I forgot I'd said that and shipped every single one I had. I should've saved them until to Theros hit when deciding to ship them.

I know I'm late to the party here, but Olivia Voldaren isn't a four drop. She's a six drop that you can play on turn 4.

[Khaospawn]

Alex, I agree with that.

But she is still a 4-drop and could be played as such. For realz.

[Nuwen]

info sauce?

http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Devotion

This wiki page says a hybrid-costed thing is xcolor+ycolor, so a shred-freak would count as 4 devotion towards activating Mogis. Seems fine to me.

[Alex]

I think Mogis is too conditional to be any good in Standard. You have to meet a rather high devotion in order for it too be a creature, and your opponent gets to decide whether or not he will be taking damage, depending on his creatures. Too many stars have to align in order for Mogis to really pressure an opponent.

EDIT: Price for Mogis is $12 on SCG. I predict it will settle somewhere between $6 and $10. Probably closer to $6. That seems to be what the Gods from Theros are priced at.

Or people will pick up Grixis and play him like UWR is played in Modern: 23 land, 4 X spell (in this case mogis) and 33 removal spells.

[Kazekirimaru]

Inb4 Demigod of Revenge + Mogis destroys the Legacy metagame.

That's actually hilarious.

[LP, of the Fires]

IDK what you nerds are talking about, Purphoros has gotten me 486 PW points this season.

[Self Medicated]

I think Mogis is too conditional to be any good in Standard. You have to meet a rather high devotion in order for it too be a creature, and your opponent gets to decide whether or not he will be taking damage, depending on his creatures. Too many stars have to align in order for Mogis to really pressure an opponent.

EDIT: Price for Mogis is $12 on SCG. I predict it will settle somewhere between $6 and $10. Probably closer to $6. That seems to be what the Gods from Theros are priced at.

Or people will pick up Grixis and play him like UWR is played in Modern: 23 land, 4 X spell (in this
case mogis) and 33 removal spells.

I would love to see that deck.

[Alex]

I like turtles.

Oh.

[zemanjaski]

Lol at people saying Desecration Demon is good.

[redthirst]

a shred-freak would count as 4 devotion towards activating Mogis. Seems fine to me.

Yeah... it doesn't work like that. WotC specifically said as much in their article when they spoiled Ephara.

This should be it.

[LP, of the Fires]

Kind of stressed about GP sacramento. I've been winning a LOT lately, but...this shit is limited. Reasonable goals?

Day 2.

Also, agree with the thirst.

[Self Medicated]

a shred-freak would count as 4 devotion towards activating Mogis. Seems fine to me.

Yeah... it doesn't work like that. WotC specifically said as much in their article when they spoiled Ephara.

So do you think that WotC needs to amend the comprehensive rules? Here is the rule now:

700.5. A player's devotion to [color] is equal to the number of mana symbols of that color among the mana costs of permanents that player controls.

I would initially interpret this just as Nuwen did.

[Alex]

Limited format? Draft or sealed? Sealed is easy as shit.

[Dechs Kaison]

Limited format? Draft or sealed? Sealed is random as shit.

Draft is what separates the men from the boys.

[LP, of the Fires]

Pair that rule with the rule for Hybrid. If they're consistent, then you have a point and they should change the rules, until then...no.

[Khaospawn]

A Cackler gives you a total of 1 devotion. 1 red or 1 black. A shred-freak gives you 2 devotion - either 2 red, 2 black, or 1 of each.

Its not that hard.

[LP, of the Fires]

Sealed IS easier then draft, but I haven't played it as much as I should and that sets me behind the curve. I'd be infinitely more comfortable doing modern masters draft then Thero's sealed.

[Khaospawn]

Sealed is gay.

There, I said it.

[Kaitscralt]

Lol at people saying Desecration Demon is good.

You're deploying some of the most retarded logic, the type fit for MTGS Rumor Mill threads. Almost every Standard deck right now runs Limited cards and rares that saw 0 play under the oppressive heel of Innistrad's power level. Calling them "bad" and saying lol in an attempt to condescend? Yeah, were all very convinced of your prowess.

I thought you were leaving for a few days? I can deactivate your account til you've gotten the neckbeard out of your system. I don't want people posting here who don't understand that playability in top tier decks is all that matters.

[Kaitscralt]

Fucking nerds, they're the worst

[Kazekirimaru]

Yeah, pretty sure that hybrid symbols don't count as two devotion for the same reason that Filterlands like Cascade Bluffs don't say " , , Add to your mana pool." It's not a mana symbol until you choose which one it is.

[rcwraspy]

Yeah, pretty sure that hybrid symbols don't count as two devotion for the same reason that Filterlands like Cascade Bluffs don't say " , , Add to your mana pool." It's not a mana symbol until you choose which one it is.

and the award for deepnerding goes to...

[LP, of the Fires]

Lol at people saying Desecration Demon is good.

You're deploying some of the most retarded logic, the type fit for MTGS Rumor Mill threads. Almost every Standard deck right now runs Limited cards and rares that saw 0 play under the oppressive heel of Innistrad's power level. Calling them "bad" and saying lol in an attempt to condescend? Yeah, were all very convinced of your prowess.

I thought you were leaving for a few days? I can deactivate your account til you've gotten the neckbeard out of your system. I don't want people posting here who don't understand that playability in top
tier decks is all that matters.

Torn. I actually agree with both Z and madding. Guess that means I should actually go to work now >_>

[Kaitscralt]

Stick with me, we'll be heroes

[redthirst]

a shred-freak would count as 4 devotion towards activating Mogis. Seems fine to me.

Yeah... it doesn't work like that. WotC specifically said as much in their article when they spoiled Ephara.

This should be it.

There's the link. It specifically addresses the point of Hybrid mana towards Devotion. Y'all can stop guessing now.

[Kaitscralt]

The comparisons to Vexing Devil are really bad though, whoever posted the card disadvantage ratios to differentiate the two deserves a trophy. They could have threatened to leave for a few days instead, wouldn't that have been something?