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Postby Valdarith » Thu Dec 26, 2013 1:39 am

Skynight helps against mono blue, Rx devotion, and to a degree mono black. Can't be blocked by Pack Rat, Gary, Master of Waves, or Boros Reckoner. Doesn't die to Ultimate Price. Basically Phoenix 5-8 without the buyback clause.
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Postby magicdownunder » Thu Dec 26, 2013 8:01 am

Skynight helps against mono blue, Rx devotion, and to a degree mono black. Can't be blocked by Pack Rat, Gary, Master of Waves, or Boros Reckoner. Doesn't die to Ultimate Price. Basically Phoenix 5-8 without the buyback clause.
Spot on mate :smileup:

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[deck=MDU's PyroSkies]Lands 23
11 Mountain
1 Boros Guildgate
3 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph

Creatures 18
3 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Chandra's Phoenix
3 Young Pyromancer
2 Skyknight Legionnaire
2 StormBreath Dragon

Enchantments 04
3 Chained to the Rocks
1 Legion's Initiative

Instants 11
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
3
Shock

Sorcery 02
2 Mizzium Mortars

Planeswalkers 02
2 Chandra, Pyromaster

Sideboard 15
1 Chained to the Rocks
2 Mizzium Mortars
3 Boros Reckoner
3 Skullcrack
2 Boros Charm
2 Fanatic of Mogis
2 Last Breath[/deck]

I havn't played with Shock and YP$ in awhile so its nice to have the meta warp slightly back into a direction where is viable again (Wx Weenies and Esper Aggro).

PyroSkies Experiment (2 Man) G1 vs Rx Devotion
PyroSkies Experiment (2 Man) G2 vs Esper Midrange
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Postby RedEyesBlackGamer » Thu Dec 26, 2013 8:43 am

I love the idea of Legionnaire, my only complaint is that you are using the ones with horrible art. +1 for good idea, -2000 for style.

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Postby magicdownunder » Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:27 pm

off-topic post (just wanted to rant)

I 3-0 with the above list and got 5 boosters (that good) but I had one of the boosters stolen from a fake split agreement.

Anyhow its the first time it happen after years of playing but just encase you face him never split with the player: _ISellAll - since he'll just take your boosters and sell them.
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Postby RaidaTheBlade » Thu Dec 26, 2013 1:30 pm

Sucks that that happened to you, man... It takes all kinds I guess...

At any rate, couldn't sleep, so I just derped up a pyrorakis list using yp and pr. It's proly nothing good, but just felt like it :P

[deck]Creature (16)
4x Pack Rat
4x Young Pyromancer
2x Tymaret, the Murder King
4x Chandra's Phoenix
2x Stormbreath Dragon

Planeswalker (2)
2x Chandra, Pyromaster

Land (23)
4x Blood Crypt
8x Mountain
3x Mutavault
4x Rakdos Guildgate
4x Swamp

Instant (15)
4x Lightning Strike
4x Magma Jet
4x Shock
3x Ultimate Price

Sorcery (4)
1x Dreadbore
3x Mizzium Mortars
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Postby Jack » Thu Dec 26, 2013 1:57 pm

It sucks, but 1 pack is a very small price to pay for a lesson like that.
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Postby RedEyesBlackGamer » Thu Dec 26, 2013 2:21 pm

Sucks that that happened to you, man... It takes all kinds I guess...

At any rate, couldn't sleep, so I just derped up a pyrorakis list using yp and pr. It's proly nothing good, but just felt like it :P

[deck]Creature (16)
4x Pack Rat
4x Young Pyromancer
2x Tymaret, the Murder King
4x Chandra's Phoenix
2x Stormbreath Dragon

Planeswalker (2)
2x Chandra, Pyromaster

Land (23)
4x Blood Crypt
8x Mountain
3x Mutavault
4x Rakdos Guildgate
4x Swamp

Instant (15)
4x Lightning Strike
4x Magma Jet
4x Shock
3x Ultimate Price

Sorcery (4)
1x Dreadbore
3x Mizzium Mortars
[/deck]
I'd add a 24th land. You have Rat, Dragon, and Mortars. You are
pretty mana hungry. I'd also cut a Price and add a second Dreadbore.

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Postby RaidaTheBlade » Thu Dec 26, 2013 3:14 pm

24th land I will agree with, but not the up/db split. Mono-u is still very very relevant, and I would be extremely uncomftorable running less then 3 mb answers to her.

That said, this list was just something thrown together for thought, not a serious list designed for tournies. Just a thought experiment.
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Postby LaZerBurn » Thu Dec 26, 2013 4:52 pm

24th land I will agree with, but not the up/db split. Mono-u is still very very relevant, and I would be extremely uncomftorable running less then 3 mb answers to her.

That said, this list was just something thrown together for thought, not a serious list designed for tournies. Just a thought experiment.
@ Raida - This is the Competitive thread, why post 'not a serious list designed for tourneys' here? :)
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Postby Zooligan » Thu Dec 26, 2013 5:11 pm

I love the idea of Legionnaire, my only complaint is that you are using the ones with horrible art. +1 for good idea, -2000 for style.
You don't like the hot warrior chick in the Hustler-esque "check out my stuff" pose?

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Postby RedEyesBlackGamer » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:15 pm

I love the idea of Legionnaire, my only complaint is that you are using the ones with horrible art. +1 for good idea, -2000 for style.
You don't like the hot warrior chick in the Hustler-esque "check out my stuff" pose?
It looks like she is posing for a picture she is uploading to her Facebook.

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Postby Purp » Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:28 pm

Selfie Legionarre
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Postby Purp » Fri Dec 27, 2013 12:08 am

@MDU no FoM during the Rx devo game?
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Postby RaidaTheBlade » Fri Dec 27, 2013 12:37 am

24th land I will agree with, but not the up/db split. Mono-u is still very very relevant, and I would be extremely uncomftorable running less then 3 mb answers to her.

That said, this list was just something thrown together for thought, not a serious list designed for tournies. Just a thought experiment.
@ Raida - This is the Competitive thread, why post 'not a serious list designed for tourneys' here? :)
I mean, you could take it to a tourney if you want, but it's
more of just an unrefined list just put up as something to hopefully spark discussion and ideas. It mainly takes advantage of all the silly synergies between tymaret, yp, and burn/spells, and rat, phoenix, and burn/chandra.
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Postby magicdownunder » Fri Dec 27, 2013 6:07 am

I got another 3-0 with the above deck - kinda scared to offer the split to non-grinders now, so I just went ahead and played all my games.

I'll post one set tomorrow.

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Two super genius DtR board members asked about swapping Fanatic of Mogis for 1 extra land and 1 dragon - I'm all on board for that idea since the dragon can be effective in more MUs then FoM.

Now here is the hard part, what should the land be?

A) Mountain - Nice and simple
B) Scry Land - We don't really want so many lands in a deck running Shocks, so the extra utility is good
C) Mutavault - Its another creature pretending to be a land >) - doesn't help with colours issues though.
D) Boros Guildgate - The colour fixing KING!!, only issues is that its come into play tapped.

I'm leaning towards Vaults because post board i side out many creatures, what are your thoughts guys?
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Postby MisterMet » Fri Dec 27, 2013 6:30 am

[deck]
Creatures (18)
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Young Pyromancer
4 Chandra's Phoenix
2 Stormbreath Dragon

Instants (12)
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
4 Shock

Sorcery (2)
1 Flames of the Firebrand
1 Mizzium Mortars

Enchantments (3)
3 Chained to the Rocks

Planeswalker (2)
2 Chandra, Pyromaster

Lands (23)
12 Mountain
3 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph

Sideboard
1 Assemble the Legion
2 Boros Charm
3 Boros Reckoner
1 Chained to the Rocks
2 Last Breath
3 Mizzium Mortars
3 Skullcrack
[/deck]

I just went 3-1 (actually 2-1 since my second round opponent timed out) with this list in the recent Daily Event, beating AIR 2-1 and Burn 2-0 while losing to Mono-Black 1-2.

MDU, has Legion's Initiative worked as well in this deck as it did in Big Boros? I'm considering replacing Assemble the Legion with that to see if it would help improve my matchup against Mono-
Black.

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Postby Purp » Fri Dec 27, 2013 6:44 am

Played the list you posted MDU tonight replacing the FoM with SBD and Mutavault. Lost to UW (with maindeck arch angel and aetherling) in swiss and top 8. Now i know that is not a popular choice between UW players, so i am trying to take my losses with a grain of salt. Thoughts? LI is bad. And I am never playing a red deck without Ash Zealots again. Also, not sure how much I even like SBD in the deck anymore If I want 4 dmg, I'd rather get it for 2 mana with boros charm. I'll post more tomorrow after my rage cools down.

Plus side: PIc of me repping the fires of sal! Thanks again Doc!

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Postby magicdownunder » Fri Dec 27, 2013 7:04 am

@Purp:

Awesome photo purp :smileup: it sounds like you did well (got into top8) and lost vs Janky anti-red UW deck.

I really need to read your report before I can say too much, but here are some explanation about my choices:

(1) LI is primarily for Ux, UW and Gx its quite bad vs everything else, if the three mention decks are not in your meta cut them

(2) SBD kinda hurts when your running an aggressive curve like we are here, however here is the math (math never lies).

With only 2x Dragons in your deck the chance of seeing 1 on turn 5 is only 33.6% and with 23 lands the chance of hitting 5 lands on the curve is 41.7% - every draw after your odds improve, so if you had them stuck in your hand allot for this event its mainly just variance being a bitch.

[b:
1i29xy08](3)[/b] Ash is strong vs Control, Black and Small Aggro but she is rather weak vs everything else - Selfie Legionarre however is a beating to everything (not many cards can block her).

@MisterMet:

Assemble is stronger vs Bx Devotion then LI is so I wouldn't recommend the switch.

Edit: I changed Ash's sex back into female, thanks LP :smileup: (lols)
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Postby LP, of the Fires » Fri Dec 27, 2013 8:03 am

Call ash zealot a he again and I will throatfuck you MDU>

But other then that, I agree with most of what you said, especially the use of Selfie Legionnaire.
You gotta understand, I love the beatdown. I really do. I always have.

Beatdown is hard, though.


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Postby LaZerBurn » Fri Dec 27, 2013 8:38 am

I got another 3-0 with the above deck - kinda scared to offer the split to non-grinders now, so I just went ahead and played all my games.

I'll post one set tomorrow.

- - - - - - - -

Two super genius DtR board members asked about swapping Fanatic of Mogis for 1 extra land and 1 dragon - I'm all on board for that idea since the dragon can be effective in more MUs then FoM.

Now here is the hard part, what should the land be?

A) Mountain - Nice and simple
B) Scry Land - We don't really want so many lands in a deck running Shocks, so the extra utility is good
C) Mutavault - Its another creature pretending to be a land >) - doesn't help with colours issues though.
D) Boros Guildgate - The colour fixing KING!!, only issues is that its come
into play tapped.

I'm leaning towards Vaults because post board i side out many creatures, what are your thoughts guys?
I vote for Vault or Mountain. I don't like CIPT so Guildgate is out for me (I'd rather run a plains if a White source was needed) and with 4 Temple and 4 Jet I don't think you need the extra scry land.
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Postby Purp » Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:41 pm

[deck]Lands 23
11 Mountain
1 Boros Guildgate
3 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph

Creatures 19
3 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Chandra's Phoenix
3 Young Pyromancer
2 Skyknight Legionnaire
3 Ash Zealot

Enchantments 03
3 Chained to the Rocks

Instants 10
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
2 Shock

Sorcery 02
1 Mizzium Mortars
1 FotF

Planeswalkers 03
3 Chandra, Pyromaster

Sideboard 15
1 Chained to the Rocks
2 Mizzium Mortars
3 Boros Reckoner
2 Skullcrack
3 Boros Charm (Shocker! I hated BC, but I think cutting a Skullcrack is ok. I already feel very favorable vs mono black as I don't think you get many chances to cast SC verse UW now a days. I am starting to like the idea of just burning people for 4 post board in almost every matchup.)
2 SBD (I pretty much only want this card verse UW/Esper and Mono U..and Rx/Gx)
2 Last Breath[/deck]

Just brewing up some ideas.

nQuestion: Let's say I wasn't worried about mono blue at this event on Saturday, what changes could I make?
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Postby magicdownunder » Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:14 pm

Looks darn solid purp :smileup: I kinda miss running 3 Chandra, Pyromaster, but she isn't very viable on Modo because Rx is such a common MU.

If you don't care about blue I'll takeout 1 chains (from the MD and move it into the SB) for another Ash or Mortar.
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Postby LaZerBurn » Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:37 pm

Depends to what degree you are not worried about Mono U - LB is primarily for Master so you could cut it altogether.
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Postby Purp » Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:40 pm

I would assume to maybe see it one time. I would say this store is more RW devo heavy than it is mono U. i have liked last breath in the white weenies matchup, killing my own creatures for 4 life is always fun
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Postby RedEyesBlackGamer » Fri Dec 27, 2013 6:39 pm

[deck]Lands 23
11 Mountain
1 Boros Guildgate
3 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph

Creatures 19
3 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Chandra's Phoenix
3 Young Pyromancer
2 Skyknight Legionnaire
3 Ash Zealot

Enchantments 03
3 Chained to the Rocks

Instants 10
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
2 Shock

Sorcery 02
1 Mizzium Mortars
1 FotF

Planeswalkers 03
3 Chandra, Pyromaster

Sideboard 15
1 Chained to the Rocks
2 Mizzium Mortars
3 Boros Reckoner
2 Skullcrack
3 Boros Charm (Shocker! I hated BC, but I think cutting a Skullcrack is ok. I already feel very favorable vs mono black as I don't think you get many chances to cast SC verse UW now a days. I am starting to like the idea of just burning people for 4 post board in almost
every matchup.)
2 SBD (I pretty much only want this card verse UW/Esper and Mono U..and Rx/Gx)
2 Last Breath[/deck]

Just brewing up some ideas.

Question: Let's say I wasn't worried about mono blue at this event on Saturday, what changes could I make?
The only differences in my MD from yours is -1 Jet, +1 Shock.
In regards to the no mono blue, take out a Chained from the MD and the Last Breath out of the sideboard.

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Postby magicdownunder » Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:41 am

[deck=MDU's PyroSkies]Lands 23
11 Mountain
1 Boros Guildgate
3 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph

Creatures 18
3 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Chandra's Phoenix
3 Young Pyromancer
2 Selfie Legionnaire
2 StormBreath Dragon

Enchantments 04
3 Chained to the Rocks
1 Legion's Initiative

Instants 11
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
3 Shock

Sorcery 02
2 Mizzium Mortars

Planeswalkers 02
2 Chandra, Pyromaster

Sideboard 15
1 Chained to the Rocks
2 Mizzium Mortars
3 Boros Reckoner
3 Skullcrack
2 Boros Charm
2 Fanatic of Mogis
2 Last Breath[/deck]

Note: Selfie Legionnaire = Skyknight Legionnaire posting pictures on facebook

Standard Elimination Report (Event 6527407)
R1+R2: PyroSkies vs Bx Devotion and Clock
R3: PyroSkies vs Wb Weenies

I think I'll go with vaults + Dragon.
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Postby amcfvieira » Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:12 am

[card][/card]Hi guys Happy Holidays too all of you.

I had been playing with the original "Walter White" list with some changes. I win last week a GPT for Prague with the list. Now I have 2 byes in the GP but the cards I bought from USA to finish my Modern deck didn't arrived yet (since 25 November) and I don't feel much confidence to will spend a lot of money to play in a tournament for what I didn't training a lot.

My 75:
[deck]Lands 23
12 Mountain
3 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph

Creatures 20
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Young Pyromancer
4 Ash Zealot

Enchantments 02
2 Chained to the Rocks

Instants 10
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
2 Shock

Sorcery 02
2 Mizzium Mortars

Planeswalkers 03
3 Chandra, Pyromaster


Sideboard 15
2 Chained to the Rocks
2 Mizzium Mortars
4 Boros Reckoner
3 Skullcrack
2 Boros Charm
n2 Act of Treason[/deck]

After much training on-line I feel that the 2x Mizzium Mortars in mainboard are essential. Respond to a Baron, Weird, Spectre, Dragon, etc. If anyone want I can explain my choices and sideboard. I didn't lose to Mono U since I put the Mizzium Mortars up to 4, but I don't side in Boros Reckoner any more because of Domestication. I only change 4x 1 drop to 2x Mizzium and 2x Chain.

I'm now testing with Pyrodragon's list from the article of Z for the unique PTQ this season in Portugal. It is fun to play too. I like the list but I'm really thinking in play the list above. I never cast Dragon for the win, or it's for see to much Ultimate Price and Doom Blade or is simply because I had already win the game. In the list above I thinking cut the Boros Charm or [card]Act of Treason[/card:
y9w2tjnc], to put some Peak Eruption and maybe upgrade to the full playset of Skullcrack.

The meta of the last big tournament in Portugal was:
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I think the next tournament will have a meta like this. What can I change to fix to this? All constructive advices are appreciated :hi:
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Postby MattC » Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:13 am

I work at my LGS so I don't often get a chance to play magic anymore but right now I'm on vacation in Tuscon AZ. I went 4-1 at FNM tonight playing PyroBlack at Amazing Discoveries (Dusty Ochoa's store) losing only to Junk Midrange.

[deck]
19 Creatures
4x Rakdos Cackler
4x Young Pyromancer
4x Ash Zealot
4x Chandra's Phoenix
3x Exava, Rakdos Blood Witch

14 Instants
4x Shock
4x Magma Jet
4x Lightning Strike
2x Doom Blade

2 Sorceries
2x Dreadbore

2 Planeswalkers
2x Chandra, Pyromaster

23 Land
4x Rakdos Guildgate
4x Blood Crypt
2x Temple of Silence
3x Mutavault
10x Mountain

15 Sideboard
4x Mizzium Mortars
3x Skullcrack
3x Toil
2x Ultimate price
2x Dreadbore
1x Hammer of Purphorous
[/deck]

I wouldn't really say that this was a competitive FNM it wasn't the softest though. There were quite a few rogue decks running around... Bant Devotion anyone?

Round 1 Esper Control 1-0
Game 1 I had an aggressive draw and he played nothing but taplands before conceding on turn 5 or 6. Game two I killed his first blood baron and then his second one killed me. In game three I played aggro cast Toil/Trouble to deal him 6 damage and then promptly drew another one to kill him the next turn with another 6 damage for exactsies.

Round 2 RDW 2-0
Game one I outraced him and played the card advantage game with young pyromancer. Game two he flooded out very hard and didn't play more than three spells by turn 10

Round 3 Junk Midrange 2-1
Game one I flood out a little bit and get pummeled to death by smiters after using my removal on a pair of Desecration demons. Game 2 I play aggro while he plays caryatid into turn 3 advent of the wurm which he then enchants with an unflinching courage. I stall for as long as I can to try and draw a terror effect but miss on my window and die.

Round 4 Grixis Control
3-1
Game one I flood out really hard and manage to draw my twelfth land before he hits his fifth land drop... he proceeds to kill me with Niv-Mizzet after stabilizing. Games 2-3 are easy, I don't over-commit to the board playing around anger of the gods and utilizing the phoenix game.

Round 5 White Weenie Splash Black 4-1
This matchup is a bye. In game one he was on the play and opened with Mutavault>Land>Attack with Mutavault into my Shock which put him very far behind and then I played out aggro creatures and killed him. Game 2 I Boarded out Cacklers and Exavas in favour of more removal and hammer. I played the removal game until I could resolve a chandra and then a hammer and they overwhelmed him.

I like this deck a lot. I'm a little worried about the mono blue matchup and junk. GW and GB both seem like fine matchups but junk has all the cards that are hard to deal with. Mono-blue seems difficult to deal with if they get a bident online or if you don't have removal for the Master of Waves
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Dreadbore was a house today. Killing jace with one card makes the blue control matchups much, much easier than they would otherwise be. It also kills everything barring Blood Baron, Master of the Waves and Soldier of the Pantheon. I found myself boarding into 4 almost every match.

I'd love to get some input on my interpretation of the deck.

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Postby LaZerBurn » Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:03 pm

@ amcfvierea - Your build looks solid and I doubt I can add anything you won't have read on here but here are my thoughts :)

Firstly - what is the 13% of your meta that isn't in the key? There are 12 slices of pie but only 11 labels :) From reading the list I guess it is random brews?

I'm not sure you need AoT so you may want to consider running a Rod Of Ruin for Master Of Waves. Last Breath is better (IMHO - it's more flexible) but without Dragons making up the 4 life can be tricky. Peak in the board is good against 18% of your meta so I'm behind that :)

Your deck should beat MonoB and Esper anyway so I don't think that you need the 4th Skullcrack.

EDIT - run 4 Vaults It's greedy but I love my Vaults :)
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Postby amcfvieira » Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:26 pm

Thanks LaZerBurn for your thoughts.

The 13% is OTHER random decks like UWR control and some rogues that don't made much relevance. The tournament had about 150 players so it's more less 20 decks.

I only sideboard AoT against Gr devotion/Monsters and some times Big Green/G devotion. I usually try to race with then in that matchup and the 0/3 wall it's difficult to beat, but people were always greed and tap it to put a big treat that a stolen to made the difference... I think in Last Breath but the times I try it against Mono B and Mono U I feel the 4 life was a shot in my toe because I was always racing them. I don't play Fire of the Firebrand because my actual meta have few decks that I make every time 1 for 2, so I prefer Mizzium Mortars and I love it in mainboard. I thinking in Peak of Eruption to Rw devotion that is a big punch in my meta and have ways to gain life in our race. Peak a mountain with a chain is
always nice to!

I never try the 4 Vaults in the White Walter because in paper for me is very greedy and I play the first game racing with everyone. In MTGO I'm testting Pyrodragons (with no Ash and no double red at second turn) with the 4 Vaults and I didn't have troubles with mana.
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Postby Pyreheart Bezerra » Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:38 pm

Hey guys, long time...

Anyways been busy with work so I can only play magic sparingly. Basically the last time I played was at GP albuquerque. Went 1 win shy of day two 6-3. To counteract the lack of magic in my life I have invested in a new computer so I may play MODO. Trying to win my way into some tickets so I can build Pyrored/black/white, And start grinding away. Im cbc on MODO. Lemme know if anyone has some extra standard staples I could use of trade for too.

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Postby LaZerBurn » Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:59 am

@Pyreheart - Welcome aboard! I added you on MTGO. Check this thread http://diestoremoval.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=1957for other MTGO users and their nics :)
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Postby Helios » Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:12 am

AoT doesn't seem good right now. Your black matchup is already good enough, and it does very little against U.

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Postby LaZerBurn » Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:38 pm

I'm running this in today's DE. Standard SBing plan. Will probably post vids later unless I have a meltdown and tilt out :)

[deck=MDU's PyroSkies tweaked by LaZer]Lands 23
12 Mountain
3 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph

Creatures 18
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Chandra's Phoenix
3 Young Pyromancer
2 Skyknight Legionnaire
2 StormBreath Dragon

Enchantments 04
3 Chained to the Rocks

Instants 11
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
3 Shock

Sorcery 02
2 Mizzium Mortars

Planeswalkers 02
2 Chandra, Pyromaster

Sideboard 15
1 Chained to the Rocks
2 Mizzium Mortars
3 Boros Reckoner
3 Skullcrack
2 Boros Charm
1 Mutavault
1 Stormbreath Dragon
2 Last Breath[/deck]

I went 2-2 , again! :( BUT
my head was calmer and I played much better so I'm happy with my progress for the day :) Deck ran smoothly, Selfie was good (evasion, makes up for lack of Ashley) but not amazing, as you would expect.

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DE6488852 R2 G3 Vs BWG


DE6488852 R3 G1 Vs RWDevo
DE6488852 R3 G2 Vs RWDevo
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DE6488852 R4 G2 Vs GR Ramp
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Postby dauntless268 » Sun Dec 29, 2013 4:06 pm

I'm not sure I completely understand the logic of including Skynight Legionnaire in PyroRed. Maybe it's a good card, yeah, but it takes away even more burn spells from what's already pretty marginal for making YP$ worthwhile. It seems the Big Boros Variant (or a build without YP$ for that matter) would be a better home for this, or what am I missing?
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Postby LaZerBurn » Sun Dec 29, 2013 4:30 pm

@ Dauntless - Just testing her - scroll back and read posts 3075-3082 :) You still have 13 spells for YP and 9 in the SB even with her in the deck.

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Postby dauntless268 » Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:05 pm

Fair enough LaZerBurn. Never stop the flow of creative ideas, right? :yes:
Let me try again: Would 2 Warleader's Helix instead of this Fella' make YP$ even stronger? ;-) I would replace the Boros Guildgate with a Temple of Silence in that case...
Since MDU suggested it couple of posts back, has anyone tested this?
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Postby LaZerBurn » Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:09 pm

I am not sure about Helix in here Dauntless, I'm liking it in the Boros build though so def worth a test :)

I've not tried the extra scry in here, I don't even run the Guildgate such is my hatred for CIPT lands :)
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Postby dauntless268 » Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:29 am

Played two 2-mans with this smaller version of the Big Boros / Burn Hybrid (posted in the Big Boros thread)

[deck=Warleader Boros' Little Brother]
Lands 23
4 Temple of Triumph
1 Temple of Silence
4 Sacred Foundry
3 Mutavault
11 Mountains

Creatures 18
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Young Pyromancer
4 Chandra's Phoenix
2 Stormbreath Dragon

Instants/Sorceries 13
3 Shock
4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Strike
2 Warleader's Helix

Enchantments 4
4 Chained to the Rocks

Planeswalkers 2
2 Chandra, Pyromaster

Sideboard 15
4 Boros Reckoner
4 Skullcrack
4 Mizzium Mortars
2 Last Breath
1 Glare of Heresy
[/deck]

I won 2-1 against GB Midrange and 2-0 against RB Aggro - both slightly homebrew-ish, admittedly not the strongest of opposing decks. I liked how it played, still found myself waiting for just another Stormbreath that wouldn't come... so not sure if this is better or worse than its bigger brother. Definitely would jump on MDU's plan of +Land + Dragon in the SB (probably cutting a reckoner and a mortars). Just as an alternative to the Legionnaire plan you guys are testing...
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Postby Purp » Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:18 am

I too played in the big championship yesterday as Raida, however I did not have as good of a finish. Went 4-2 in the swiss then lost in top 8, finishing 7th.


[deck]Lands 23
1 Boros Guildgate
11 Mountain
3 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple of Triumph

Creatures 18
3 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Ash Zealot
4 Chandra's Phoenix
3 Young Pyromancer
2 Skyknight Legionnaire
1 StormBreath Dragon

Enchantments 04
2 Chained to the Rocks

Instants 11
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
2 Shock

Sorcery 02
1 Mizzium Mortars
1 FotF

Planeswalkers 02
2 Chandra, Pyromaster

Sideboard 15
2 Chained to the Rocks
2 Mizzium Mortars
3 Boros Reckoner
3 Skullcrack
2 Boros Charm
1 Stormbreath Dragon
2 Last Breath[/deck]

R1 Mono Black piloted by JT Henricks - well known player in atlanta

G1: He sees 2 garys and 2 pharikas cure
G2 and G3: I just win.

1-0

R2 Esper MIdrange piloted by James -
well known player in atlanta

G1: i nut draw
G2: play removal, win with 2 legionnaires

2-0

R3 WW(red) piloted by Connor

G1: He win
G2: I remove his guys and win
G3: I lost, but this game almost had me on tilt.
My hand is: Mountain, Reckoner, 3 Magma Jet, 2 Lightning Strikes... I was on the draw. Would yall have kept this?
Didn't draw land for four turns.

2-1

R4 GR Monsters by Michael

G1: Burn him out
G2: He sees 2 dragons
G3: Grindy match I end up winning with top deck chained

3-1

R5 BR piloted by Raida
G1: He curves out
G2: I remove his guys
G3: He drops a whip... I contemplated just siding in all my skullcrack and charms and just try to burn him out, wishing I had done that.

3-2

R6 WW(black) by Marcus - Win and In
G1: All removal I win
G2: He has mad doom blades
G3: I just remove his guys and win.

4-2

Top 8 - Esper by Daniel - This was a very anti aggro build. No azorious charms, instead he had ultimate prices and last breaths.
G1: He sees 2
verdicts, 3 jaces, and 3 dspheres,
G2: I mull to 4.

4-3

Ended in 7th place. Overall deck was ok, Ash zealot is just amazing, Young Pyro was not too impressive. I think I am going to be playing Big Boros or BR at next weekends PTQ. Big Boros being weaker to WW has me scared to play it though.

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