[Fedoras of Salvation] - White Knights ITT

[F.I.A]

Ah, the actual Boros Guildmage in RTR block? Now that I think about it, it looks legit to get over Caryatid and trade favorably with Smiter.

[zemanjaski]

Explain.

With pictures.

[hamfactorial]

[DarthStabber]

Cute, I'd rather have sunhome guildmage. I really want dragon mantle to be good. Before anyone jumps down my throat I realize it isn't good, but that doesn't keep me from wanting to play it (it just keeps me from actually playing it).

[DarthStabber]

Cute, I'd rather have sunhome guildmage. I really want dragon mantle to be good. Before anyone jumps down my throat I realize it isn't good, but that doesn't keep me from wanting to play it (it just keeps me from actually playing it).

And truefire was so annoying in draft, I grabbed them thinking they were guildmages, and I was sorely disappointed when putting my deck together.

[F.I.A]

Not sure if you need a more vulnerable Mobilization that puts a 1/1 for 4.

Dragon Mantle makes me miss Stonewright. The good thing about stonewright is that you can split the pump around to give your opponent more headache.

[DarthStabber]

Not sure if you need a more vulnerable Mobilization that puts a 1/1 for 4.

He's like a minipurphoros and a miniheliod all wrapped up in one bear. Yeah he's a bear, but getting the activated ability of his two related gods on a single cheaper body is fantastic. The point is the mana sink on something that's getting in the redzone.

[RaidaTheBlade]

And truefire was so annoying in draft, I grabbed them thinking they were guildmages, and I was sorely disappointed when putting my deck together.

Truefire actually did massive amounts of work for me at the gatecrash prerelease. Was one of the best 3 cards I had in it. Of course, sealed is different, but I digress. He's a great aggressive manasink, and trades really well, and can 2-1 or 3-1 if you've got enough mana to keep him going (barring removal of course)

[LP, of the Fires]

Checked the sally thread after getting home from a long day.

Died laughing from Z's smackdown.

[F.I.A]

I haven't been on Sally for a long long time, but decided to check on this thread with all the fuss it gathered.

Now I am waiting for a winning decklist that utilizes Bellows Lizard. Like, it shouldn't be too hard to have six mana open to kill a Smiter.

(By the way, I like lizards. Obstinate Familiar is one of my favorite kitchen table card.)

[Alex]

If you dudes are playing in Boros colors and looking for a great mana sink, check out Truefire Paladin. It's been shitting on people all day in the 2-mans.

Shit son, you're welcome.

[DarthStabber]

I sure do like tits.

I feel infinite sorrow for our gay redbros who will never know the true happiness tits bring.

They're great, but let me let you in on a little secret, getting to touch girls' boobs is actually easier for us than you. And if I wanted to fondle boobs in a sexual manner I'd just date a fat guy. They just fatty lumps, hard pecks are just better.

[redthirst]

I sure do like tits.

I feel infinite sorrow for our gay redbros who will never know the true happiness tits bring.

They're great, but let me let you in on a little secret, getting to touch girls' boobs is actually easier for us than you. And if I wanted to fondle boobs in a sexual manner I'd just date a fat guy. They just fatty lumps, hard pecks are just better.

Lies. All lies.

[windstrider]

There's an direct proportion happening in that Sally thread: The derp increases from Sedai; z's smackdowns get more brutal.

[redthirst]

All things must be kept in balance. The stupider one person insists on being, the harder another one should hurt them.

Zem's doing God's work.

[hamfactorial]

If you dudes are playing in Boros colors and looking for a great mana sink, check out Truefire Paladin. It's been shitting on people all day in the 2-mans.

Shit son, you're welcome.

Brah, I'm thanking the dude who beat me to death with one of them in the daily. I still think you're a totally sweet dude though

[RaidaTheBlade]

I actually ran 4x truefire in my r/w aggro last standard. Forgot to mention that earlier e.e

Also, to be frank, before I found dtr and you guys, I didn't ever really notice anything wrong with sally's competitive forums... Now it seems like an obvious pit of idiocy. I thought you could oly post in competitive if you were a member of the sub-group? Or did that change at somepoint, to let idiots in?

[redthirst]

Well, you have to be a member, but all that's required for membership is to say "hey, I want in" so it's not like there's a screening process.

I still like it better than the other Standard areas because people aren't constantly posting things like "Yeah Ash Zealot is good, but is there something almost as good that won't cost me $10 a playset?" A lot of things annoy me, but someone expecting you to make them a PT placing deck for under $XX.XX is pretty close to the top.

Also, the mods seem to have a more hands-off approach in there.

[redthirst]

I don't mean to pick on metamorph because the guy genuinely knows his shit, but this thread is actually kind of funny now:

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=538704

[windstrider]

Serious question: what is the long-term viability of the devotion decks? They can obviously generate some powerful effects, but their main strategy seems to be rather fragile or at least easily disrupted.

[TubeHunter]

Im not sure. they seem fragile, but compared to what the 2-3 color list can crap out, Im not sure they don't have staying power.

Also my friend made U/b Master of waves and I't looked sweet. He won all 3 game days that I went to. (I really wasn't a factor in those game days, as I was playing an extremely bad version of Pyrored. (1 Satyr, No pheonixs lol)

[RaidaTheBlade]

A U/B MoW deck does sound pretty scary o.o

As far as devotion decks being 'fragile', I think that they can be, but it's really not a huge amount of it.
Hose-card wise, I'd say Mono-U has the most potential hoses to be thrown at it.
Mono-Red is the most single-idead, but it also has the most potential to be able to convert fanatic from the goal to a stalled-state bomb.
Mono-B is actually really scary in it's flexibility. They can go demons, merchant, or that terrifying pack rat thing we saw at the finals o.o

Dunno. I think they've got staying power

[hamfactorial]

Just had a Mono-B player Thoughtseize me at 2 life. Not sure if serious...

[hamfactorial]

I never thought I'd see a format where the durdly lifegain deck is mono-black.

[rcwraspy]

So. Doom Blade is everywhere. And Mono-B is so prevalent, that Esper and other decks have started running Ultimate Price instead of Doom Blade.

You know what 3 awesome sligh cards neither of those 2 cards hit?

Rakdos Cackler
Spike Jester
Exava, Rakdos Blood Witch

I know Nuwen and Fate have a great Black-based aggro list, but I was wondering if a quasi Dos Rakis can do well right now? Here's my starting point:

[deck]
Creatures - 26
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Ash Zealot
4 Spike Jester
4 Chandra's Phoenix
3 Exava, Rakdos Blood Witch
3 Stormbreath Dragon

Instants - 10
4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Strike
2 Doom Blade

Land - 24
4 Blood Crypt
4 Rakdos Guildgate
10 Mountain
4 Swamp
2 Mutavault
[/deck]

It keeps the great curve and beats some of the most-played removal in the format right
now. One major downside is that I'm not able to spit out creatures with Burning Tree and go "under" the 1-for-1 removal decks. But I'm resilient against most of that removal to begin with. And if we really wanted to, we could swap the 4 Swamps for 4 Godless Shrines and run Boros Reckoner from the side, like last season. The doom blades are in there for problem cards like Master of Waves and huge monsters, and honestly maybe they should be Ultimate Price instead.

Thoughts?

[Lightning_Dolt]

I never thought I'd see a format where the durdly lifegain deck is mono-black.

Whip is actually really annoying. Even more So in the B/W builds.

[redthirst]

Originally posted by Aes Sedai on MTGS

I never mentioned anything about FNM or local meta. I play in large tournaments with 70+ people with several PT regulars.

Why are you people acting like this deck is the best? It's not even close to being #1. There are obviously problems with it. One of them is Firedrinker Satyr.

I'm not arguing based on opinion. I'm arguing based on facts, which is why you guys are getting so upset because you can't refute facts. The fact is, for Firedrinker Satyr to be worth running, he has to get in there 3 times unblocked. Otherwise you are losing more life playing him than you are inflicting with him. That's no bueno.

Against red aggro, red mid-range, red/green, black devotion, and green devotion, he doesn't get in there 3 times unblocked. Therefore, he's not very good in any of those matchups.

Considering that those decks make up a vast majority of any
standard meta, anywhere, that means Firedrinker Satyr isn't good anywhere.

He's good against certain matchups, such as control, but that is what the definition of a sideboard card is. Cards that are good against certain matchups that you bring in to face strictly them.

Firedrinker is a sideboard card. This isn't my opinion.

So I honestly don't think this person knows what the definitions of "fact" and "opinion" are.

[Lightning_Dolt]

Originally posted by Aes Sedai on MTGS

I never mentioned anything about FNM or local meta. I play in large tournaments with 70+ people with several PT regulars.

Why are you people acting like this deck is the best? It's not even close to being #1. There are obviously problems with it. One of them is Firedrinker Satyr.

I'm not arguing based on opinion. I'm arguing based on facts, which is why you guys are getting so upset because you can't refute facts. The fact is, for Firedrinker Satyr to be worth running, he has to get in there 3 times unblocked. Otherwise you are losing more life playing him than you are inflicting with him. That's no bueno.

Against red aggro, red mid-range, red/green, black devotion, and green
devotion, he doesn't get in there 3 times unblocked. Therefore, he's not very good in any of those matchups.

Considering that those decks make up a vast majority of any standard meta, anywhere, that means Firedrinker Satyr isn't good anywhere.

He's good against certain matchups, such as control, but that is what the definition of a sideboard card is. Cards that are good against certain matchups that you bring in to face strictly them.

Firedrinker is a sideboard card. This isn't my opinion.

So I honestly don't think this person knows what the definitions of "fact" and "opinion" are.

I can't deal with this level of stupid.

[Helios]

And this is why I don't have a Sally account.

[DarthStabber]

@windstrider: Depends on the deck. Considering there are two mono-red versions (aggro and midrange), and I have no idea about the versions in other colors, It's impossible to make a sweeping generalization. I can tell you that mono-red aggro devotion is actually not all that dependent on the one devotion card it's running. I'm running 3 fanatics and I've played him onto an empty board several times and still won. The key is that the version I'm running isn't all that dependant on devotion, it's just that fanatic happens to fit with the cards I already wanted to be running (zealot, shredfreak, phoenix, and hammer). He's not the locus of a new archetype, he's a hellrider replacement.

The other versions (anything with nykthos and a few others) are more "built around" the mechanic, and are much more dependent on having board position to get value. They aren't bad, I just don't like my cards being
dependent other cards (there is a difference between dependence and synergy).

[hamfactorial]

So. Doom Blade is everywhere. And Mono-B is so prevalent, that Esper and other decks have started running Ultimate Price instead of Doom Blade.

You know what 3 awesome sligh cards neither of those 2 cards hit?

Rakdos Cackler
Spike Jester
Exava, Rakdos Blood Witch

I know Nuwen and Fate have a great Black-based aggro list, but I was wondering if a quasi Dos Rakis can do well right now? Here's my starting point:

[deck]
Creatures - 26
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Ash Zealot
4 Spike Jester
4 Chandra's Phoenix
3 Exava, Rakdos Blood Witch
3 Stormbreath Dragon

Instants - 10
4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Strike
2 Doom Blade

Land - 24
4 Blood
Crypt
4 Rakdos Guildgate
10 Mountain
4 Swamp
2 Mutavault
[/deck]

It keeps the great curve and beats some of the most-played removal in the format right now. One major downside is that I'm not able to spit out creatures with Burning Tree and go "under" the 1-for-1 removal decks. But I'm resilient against most of that removal to begin with. And if we really wanted to, we could swap the 4 Swamps for 4 Godless Shrines and run Boros Reckoner from the side, like last season. The doom blades are in there for problem cards like Master of Waves and huge monsters, and honestly maybe they should be Ultimate Price instead.

Thoughts?

I'm on the Dos Rakis train right now. I don't think RW can go fast enough to get under them, but big Boros might be the way to build it.

I liked Fate and Nuwen's BR build and I think it could be a monster with some light tuning.

[Valdarith]

So. Doom Blade is everywhere. And Mono-B is so prevalent, that Esper and other decks have started running Ultimate Price instead of Doom Blade.

You know what 3 awesome sligh cards neither of those 2 cards hit?

Rakdos Cackler
Spike Jester
Exava, Rakdos Blood Witch

I know Nuwen and Fate have a great Black-based aggro list, but I was wondering if a quasi Dos Rakis can do well right now? Here's my starting point:

[deck]
Creatures - 26
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Ash Zealot
4 Spike Jester
4 Chandra's Phoenix
3 Exava, Rakdos Blood Witch
3 Stormbreath Dragon

Instants - 10
4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Strike
2 Doom Blade

Land - 24
4 Blood
Crypt
4 Rakdos Guildgate
10 Mountain
4 Swamp
2 Mutavault
[/deck]

It keeps the great curve and beats some of the most-played removal in the format right now. One major downside is that I'm not able to spit out creatures with Burning Tree and go "under" the 1-for-1 removal decks. But I'm resilient against most of that removal to begin with. And if we really wanted to, we could swap the 4 Swamps for 4 Godless Shrines and run Boros Reckoner from the side, like last season. The doom blades are in there for problem cards like Master of Waves and huge monsters, and honestly maybe they should be Ultimate Price instead.

Thoughts?

I think you should check out my deck in the Rakdos thread.

[windstrider]

Originally posted by Aes Sedai on MTGS

I never mentioned anything about FNM or local meta. I play in large tournaments with 70+ people with several PT regulars.

Why are you people acting like this deck is the best? It's not even close to being #1. There are obviously problems with it. One of them is Firedrinker Satyr.

I'm not arguing based on opinion. I'm arguing based on facts, which is why you guys are getting so upset because you can't refute facts. The fact is, for Firedrinker Satyr to be worth running, he has to get in there 3 times unblocked. Otherwise you are losing more life playing him than you are inflicting with him. That's no bueno.

Against red aggro, red mid-range, red/green, black devotion, and green devotion, he
doesn't get in there 3 times unblocked. Therefore, he's not very good in any of those matchups.

Considering that those decks make up a vast majority of any standard meta, anywhere, that means Firedrinker Satyr isn't good anywhere.

He's good against certain matchups, such as control, but that is what the definition of a sideboard card is. Cards that are good against certain matchups that you bring in to face strictly them.

Firedrinker is a sideboard card. This isn't my opinion.

So I honestly don't think this person knows what the definitions of "fact" and "opinion" are.

Oh, she knows what those words mean, but she's a troll, so she doesn't care.

[JadePhoenix]

Originally posted by Aes Sedai on MTGS

I never mentioned anything about FNM or local meta. I play in large tournaments with 70+ people with several PT regulars.

Why are you people acting like this deck is the best? It's not even close to being #1. There are obviously problems with it. One of them is Firedrinker Satyr.

I'm not arguing based on opinion. I'm arguing based on facts, which is why you guys are getting so upset because you can't refute facts. The fact is, for Firedrinker Satyr to be worth running, he has to get in there 3 times unblocked. Otherwise you are losing more life playing him than you are inflicting with him. That's no bueno.

Against red aggro, red mid-range, red/green, black devotion, and green devotion, he
doesn't get in there 3 times unblocked. Therefore, he's not very good in any of those matchups.

Considering that those decks make up a vast majority of any standard meta, anywhere, that means Firedrinker Satyr isn't good anywhere.

He's good against certain matchups, such as control, but that is what the definition of a sideboard card is. Cards that are good against certain matchups that you bring in to face strictly them.

Firedrinker is a sideboard card. This isn't my opinion.

So I honestly don't think this person knows what the definitions of "fact" and "opinion" are.

So, let me get this straight, in order for my 1-drop to be playable, it has to deal 6 damage??? Lightning bolt must be awful then, and don't even get me started on flame rift...

[Link]

working on Pyrorakis at the moment, but hey just going dragon mode isn't bad either,


I just really am tired of folding to double desecration demon hands

[hamfactorial]

I don't mind the Desecration Demons, but the Gray Merchant nut draws into 10+ point life swings are really aggravating.

[windstrider]

Boom. Muthafucker.

[PirateKingAtomsk]

@ham my friend homebrewed an semi devo black deck with whips, he play grey merchant sac it somehow and recur it for huge gains. not sure on the exact cards he runs i havnt played against him in the past couple weeks.

[hamfactorial]

I hate your friend and I think you should, too. Where are Rain of Gore, Everlasting Torment and Leyline of Punishment when we need them?

[rcwraspy]

So. Doom Blade is everywhere. And Mono-B is so prevalent, that Esper and other decks have started running Ultimate Price instead of Doom Blade.

You know what 3 awesome sligh cards neither of those 2 cards hit?

Rakdos Cackler
Spike Jester
Exava, Rakdos Blood Witch

I know Nuwen and Fate have a great Black-based aggro list, but I was wondering if a quasi Dos Rakis can do well right now? Here's my starting point:

[deck]
Creatures - 26
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Ash Zealot
4 Spike
Jester
4 Chandra's Phoenix
3 Exava, Rakdos Blood Witch
3 Stormbreath Dragon

Instants - 10
4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Strike
2 Doom Blade

Land - 24
4 Blood Crypt
4 Rakdos Guildgate
10 Mountain
4 Swamp
2 Mutavault
[/deck]

It keeps the great curve and beats some of the most-played removal in the format right now. One major downside is that I'm not able to spit out creatures with Burning Tree and go "under" the 1-for-1 removal decks. But I'm resilient against most of that removal to begin with. And if we really wanted to, we could swap the 4 Swamps for 4 Godless Shrines and run Boros Reckoner from the side, like last season. The doom blades are in there for problem cards like Master of Waves and huge monsters, and honestly maybe they should be Ultimate Price instead.

Thoughts?

I think you should check out my deck in the Rakdos thread.

Sorry, missed the thread somehow. Heading there now