[Fedoras of Salvation] - White Knights ITT

[photodyer]

Johnny - Unless I'm missing something, Exalted really does nothing for Master given his attributes; with FS and Deathtouch, he doesn't need to do more than 1 point of damage to a creature to kill it, and his toughness only matters if he clashes with another FS/DS creature. For the player, the same 1 point of unblocked damage triggers the last ability, so again nothing is gained by Exalted. The only way Exalted would be relevant for him would be if he was given Trample and you were trying to kill the other guy without using the "cruelty" clause. You could do that, I suppose, but why would you when even Ash Zealot would hit for more under the same conditions (being 2 power to start with)? Master is quite honestly a trap card unless you build a deck around getting him through FTW the turn he comes down; he's too easily chumped.

[photodyer]

Are there any other creatures we can use as enablers through the Heartless Summoning engine? Maybe some of the AVR soulbond guys....will report back.

Faithless Looting with enough redundant effects (and GY relevant cards) get close to 'cycle 2' which is really nice.

What about ramping into Diabolic Revelation? Of course you have to find the tutor card and your ramp sources, so I don't know if that's any better, but with ramp at least cost of the combo would not be at issue.

[Lightning_Dolt]

Johnny - Unless I'm missing something, Exalted really does nothing for Master given his attributes; with FS and Deathtouch, he doesn't need to do more than 1 point of damage to a creature to kill it, and his toughness only matters if he clashes with another FS/DS creature. For the player, the same 1 point of unblocked damage triggers the last ability, so again nothing is gained by Exalted. The only way Exalted would be relevant for him would be if he was given Trample and you were trying to kill the other guy without using the "cruelty" clause. You could do that, I suppose, but why would you when even Ash Zealot would hit for more under the same conditions (being 2 power to start with)? Master is quite honestly a trap card unless you build a deck
around getting him through FTW the turn he comes down; he's too easily chumped.

I read the card wrong. I thought double strike just won the game lol.

[photodyer]

No worries...I read that card over and over to grasp all the implications of the rules. I'm wondering if we're going to see something else in the set that potentiates it...

[Sasky]

T2 smiter, t3 advent of the wurms = gg red player?

They best print a 5 damage burn spell at instant speed for 2 mana for us now.

[Lightning_Dolt]

T2 smiter, t3 advent of the wurms = gg red player?

They best print a 5 damage burn spell at instant speed for 2 mana for us now.

Price of Progress! It's gotta be coming!

[redthirst]

T2 smiter, t3 advent of the wurms = gg red player?

They best print a 5 damage burn spell at instant speed for 2 mana for us now.

Price of Progress! It's gotta be coming!

If they reprint Price of Progress then none of us need to worry about the new Wurm.

Because my boner will destroy them all...

[photodyer]

The chances of PoP being printed in a set that's meant to push multicolor decks is likely about the same as me hitting Powerball. If they do reprint it, you better bet I will be playin'g those numbers for all I'm worth in support of Khaos-driven FoS compound project!

[Kazekirimaru]

The chances of PoP being printed in a set that's meant to push multicolor decks is likely about the same as me hitting Powerball. If they do reprint it, you better bet I will be playin'g those numbers for all I'm worth in support of Khaos-driven FoS compound project!

Well, they did print about fifty-thousand graveyard hate cards since introducing all the snazzy graveyard exploitation in the current Standard. I honestly wouldn't be too surprised if PoP were reprinted. I mean, sideboard cards rarely ever stop a deck in it's tracks. Glaring Spotlight didn't stop Bant Auras, Illness in the Ranks was seen as the end of mainboard Lingering Souls but wasn't, and so on.
Granted, those are narrower subjects than "every multicolored deck out there" but the parity of the card should keep it from running amok in people's sideboards. Honestly, with the whole gatecrash civic unrest thing going on, a card that punished dual lands would fit snugly in the flavor of the set.

Also, good morning, everyone.


EDIT: Sasky. That sig is the epicsauce.

[Alex]

The chances of PoP being printed in a set that's meant to push multicolor decks is likely about the same as me hitting Powerball. If they do reprint it, you better bet I will be playin'g those numbers for all I'm worth in support of Khaos-driven FoS compound project!

Well, they did print about fifty-thousand graveyard hate cards since introducing all the snazzy graveyard exploitation in the current Standard. I honestly wouldn't be too surprised if PoP were reprinted. I mean, sideboard cards rarely ever stop a deck in it's tracks. Glaring Spotlight[/c:
3cocidgi] didn't stop Bant Auras, [c]Illness in the Ranks was seen as the end of mainboard Lingering Souls but wasn't, and so on. Granted, those are narrower subjects than "every multicolored deck out there" but the parity of the card should keep it from running amok in people's sideboards. Honestly, with the whole gatecrash civic unrest thing going on, a card that punished dual lands would fit snugly in the flavor of the set.

Also, good morning, everyone.

Comparing Price of Progress to graveyard hate is totally skewed. Price of Progress literally punishes 90%+ of the decks in the format, graveyard hate punishes like two decks at most.

[Kazekirimaru]

The chances of PoP being printed in a set that's meant to push multicolor decks is likely about the same as me hitting Powerball. If they do reprint it, you better bet I will be playin'g those numbers for all I'm worth in support of Khaos-driven FoS compound project!

Well, they did print about fifty-thousand graveyard hate cards since introducing all the snazzy graveyard exploitation in the current
Standard. I honestly wouldn't be too surprised if PoP were reprinted. I mean, sideboard cards rarely ever stop a deck in it's tracks. Glaring Spotlight didn't stop Bant Auras, Illness in the Ranks was seen as the end of mainboard Lingering Souls but wasn't, and so on. Granted, those are narrower subjects than "every multicolored deck out there" but the parity of the card should keep it from running amok in people's sideboards. Honestly, with the whole gatecrash civic unrest thing going on, a card that punished dual lands would fit snugly in the flavor of the set.

Also, good morning, everyone.

Comparing Price of Progress to graveyard hate is totally skewed. Price of Progress literally punishes 90%+ of the decks in the format, graveyard hate punishes like two decks at most.

You, sir, have a knack for opposing everything I say.

Comparing them both in a vacuum is silly, yes, but
I wasn't doing that.

[redthirst]

The chances of PoP being printed in a set that's meant to push multicolor decks is likely about the same as me hitting Powerball. If they do reprint it, you better bet I will be playin'g those numbers for all I'm worth in support of Khaos-driven FoS
compound project!

Well, they did print about fifty-thousand graveyard hate cards since introducing all the snazzy graveyard exploitation in the current Standard. I honestly wouldn't be too surprised if PoP were reprinted. I mean, sideboard cards rarely ever stop a deck in it's tracks. Glaring Spotlight didn't stop Bant Auras, Illness in the Ranks was seen as the end of mainboard Lingering Souls but wasn't, and so on. Granted, those are narrower subjects than "every multicolored deck out there" but the parity of the card should keep it from running amok in people's sideboards. Honestly, with the whole gatecrash civic unrest thing going on, a card that punished dual lands would fit snugly in the flavor of the set.

Also, good morning, everyone.

Comparing Price of Progress to graveyard hate is totally skewed. Price of Progress literally punishes 90%+ of the decks in the format,
graveyard hate punishes like two decks at most.

You, sir, have a knack for opposing everything I say.

Comparing them both in a vacuum is silly, yes, but I wasn't doing that.

No he doesn't.

[Kazekirimaru]

The chances of PoP being printed in a set that's meant to push multicolor decks is
likely about the same as me hitting Powerball. If they do reprint it, you better bet I will be playin'g those numbers for all I'm worth in support of Khaos-driven FoS compound project!

Well, they did print about fifty-thousand graveyard hate cards since introducing all the snazzy graveyard exploitation in the current Standard. I honestly wouldn't be too surprised if PoP were reprinted. I mean, sideboard cards rarely ever stop a deck in it's tracks. Glaring Spotlight didn't stop Bant Auras, Illness in the Ranks was seen as the end of mainboard Lingering Souls but wasn't, and so on. Granted, those are narrower subjects than "every multicolored deck out there" but the parity of the card should keep it from running amok in people's sideboards. Honestly, with the whole gatecrash civic unrest thing going on, a card that punished dual lands would fit snugly in the flavor of the set.

Also, good morning,
everyone.

Comparing Price of Progress to graveyard hate is totally skewed. Price of Progress literally punishes 90%+ of the decks in the format, graveyard hate punishes like two decks at most.

You, sir, have a knack for opposing everything I say.

Comparing them both in a vacuum is silly, yes, but I wasn't doing that.

No he doesn't.

/ragequit

[redthirst]

You kazey, man.

Kay-zay!

[windstrider]

If they reprint Price of Progress then none of us need to worry about the new Wurm.

Because my boner will destroy them all...

Be honest. Your boner is going to escape its confines and kill us all anyway.

'morning, all.

[Kazekirimaru]

You kazey, man.

Kay-zay!

You're so punny, thirst.


Morning, windstrider.

[redthirst]

If they reprint Price of Progress then none of us need to worry about the new Wurm.

Because my boner will destroy them all...

Be honest. Your boner is going to escape its confines and kill us all anyway.

'morning, all.

Only if the propper ritual sacrifices aren't met.

[photodyer]

Good morning, gentlemen! Well...at least for a few minutes or so 'til I head to bed, anyway.

[redthirst]

Mornin'

Kazey night?

[Alex]

The chances of PoP being printed in a set that's meant to push multicolor decks is likely about the same as me hitting Powerball. If they do reprint it, you better bet I will be playin'g those numbers for all I'm worth in support of Khaos-driven FoS
compound project!

Well, they did print about fifty-thousand graveyard hate cards since introducing all the snazzy graveyard exploitation in the current Standard. I honestly wouldn't be too surprised if PoP were reprinted. I mean, sideboard cards rarely ever stop a deck in it's tracks. Glaring Spotlight didn't stop Bant Auras, Illness in the Ranks was seen as the end of mainboard Lingering Souls but wasn't, and so on. Granted, those are narrower subjects than "every multicolored deck out there" but the parity of the card should keep it from running amok in people's sideboards. Honestly, with the whole gatecrash civic unrest thing going on, a card that punished dual lands would fit snugly in the flavor of the set.

Also, good morning, everyone.

Comparing Price of Progress to graveyard hate is totally skewed. Price of Progress literally punishes 90%+ of the decks in the format,
graveyard hate punishes like two decks at most.

You, sir, have a knack for opposing everything I say.

Comparing them both in a vacuum is silly, yes, but I wasn't doing that.

I have a knack for opposing anything that is bad information. You do realize that targeted sideboard hate and a burn spell that's 100% justifiable in the mainboard can't be compared side by side, even in a vacuum?

And even then, if we're just speaking from the vacuum point of view, graveyard hate literally does nothing.

[photodyer]

The chances of PoP being printed in a set that's meant to push multicolor decks is likely about the same as me hitting Powerball. If they do reprint it, you better bet I will be playin'g those numbers for all I'm worth in support of Khaos-driven FoS compound project!

Well, they did print about fifty-thousand graveyard hate cards since introducing all the snazzy graveyard exploitation in the current Standard. I honestly wouldn't be too surprised if PoP were reprinted. I mean, sideboard cards rarely ever stop a deck in it's tracks. Glaring Spotlight[/c:
as9ei7em] didn't stop Bant Auras, [c]Illness in the Ranks was seen as the end of mainboard Lingering Souls but wasn't, and so on. Granted, those are narrower subjects than "every multicolored deck out there" but the parity of the card should keep it from running amok in people's sideboards. Honestly, with the whole gatecrash civic unrest thing going on, a card that punished dual lands would fit snugly in the flavor of the set.

That's like comparing apples and hand grenades. I'm talking pure business logic; Wizards is in the middle of a block that is all about multicolor and encourages the play of multicolor decks. The new mechanic for the set is multicolor-based, as is the whole story line driving DGM. To print PoP in this set would go against absolutely everything the set is about and would royally piss off the player base because it would punish everybody for playing many of the best cards in Standard. To put it plainly,
it would be an epically dumbshit business move, and I think WotC has enough sane people on staff that that's not going to happen. PoP would not "fit" in the set; it would shred it, and Wizards is not about to go blowing things up when they're trying so hard to expand the player base.

"Don't mess with me man, I'm a lawyer!"

[Link]

I'm started to be underwhelmed by Hellrider in R/g, Saito's 20-land version.


In before someone smacks some sense into me?

I almost want to MB hounds over them...

Maybe I just haven't faced enough UWr lately (even then hounds shit on resto angels and can burst more than riders).

It just feels like he forces me to tap out and alpha when I might have wanted to bloodrush things other wise... You can never save a hellrider with BR (unless you play him and don't swing), you can't keep up stonewright mana, etc. etc.

[rcwraspy]

Master of Cruelty in Jund using Ghor-Clan Rampager and/or other trample effects?

[redthirst]

Trample doesn't do anything for MoC - it has to be unblocked.

[Link]

Racecourse Fury?

Yes, I am going deep.

was thinking the same thing.

Was also thinking

Curse of Pierced Heart+Rogue's passage.

Too deep?

[redthirst]

No.



Deeper.

[Link]

Artful dodge is a better suggestion now that I've finished reading last page.


I do like the idea of them dying on their upkeep after "Lol CoPH you scrub"

I also have a foil Racecourse Fury hue

[rcwraspy]

Trample doesn't do anything for MoC - it has to be unblocked.

bah. Reading Comprehension fail.

[Khaospawn]

*Yawn* Morning everyone!

Jerry - thanks for picking up my slack while I'm asleep. Praising redthirst's dick is becoming a full time job with mandatory overtime. Fortunately, that job comes with a 401k and a stock option. However, should the FoS compound become a reality, we may need to build a cage similar to the Raptor Pen in Jurassic Park and drop young, nubile virgins every other day to feed it....

Re: Master of Cruelties - All I can think about this card is that my Kaalia deck has a one-shot kill now. Amiright, guys? At least, I think I'm reading that right.


Sasky - I saw your sig and blew my load. Nice job!

[redthirst]

Re: Master of Cruelties - All I can think about this card is that my Kaalia deck has a one-shot kill now. Amiright, guys? At least, I think I'm reading that right.

Assuming no blocker for MoC - yeah, that should kill them.

[Khaospawn]

Re: Master of Cruelties - All I can think about this card is that my Kaalia deck has a one-shot kill now. Amiright, guys? At least, I think I'm reading that right.

Assuming no blocker for MoC - yeah, that should kill them.

Man, I'm giddy. My deck has a potential to swing with Kaalia as early as T3. Drop this guy and get ready to shuffle up for another game...

[redthirst]

Re: Master of Cruelties - All I can think about this card is that my Kaalia deck has a one-shot kill now. Amiright, guys? At least, I think I'm reading that right.

Assuming no blocker for MoC - yeah, that should kill them.

Man, I'm giddy. My deck has a potential to swing with Kaalia as early as T3. Drop this guy and get ready to shuffle up for another game...

And this has been another episode of "Shit That Will Get You Shanked" with your host Khaospawn.

[Khaospawn]

I ain't got time to bleed...

[redthirst]

Of course, I play Arcum Dagsson so I can't really talk about pissing people off.

[Khaospawn]

Of course, I play Arcum Dagsson so I can't really talk about pissing people off.

I played against an Arcum deck 1v1 before. He's surprisingly fast and tough to deal with. Fucking Blue magic is Kaalia's number one weakness. I definitely don't feel bad beating up on a Blue deck and winning on T3-T5.

[Alex]

What I saw in my head when I read this.

[redthirst]

That's the thing with Dagsson - it's a great 1v1 Commander, but the deck can just as easily win a multiplayer game.

The last multiplayer game I played with it, my board state was something like:
Arcum Dagsson
Silver Myr
Thousand-Year Elixir

And one of the players decided that the board was getting too crowded so he cast [card]Akroma's Vengeance[/card]. I activated Arcum, sac'd Myr to get Mycosynth Lattice, then untapped Arcum with Elixir, sac'd Arcum to get Darksteel Forge.

All permanents are artifacts + all artifacts are destroyed + all my artifacts are indestructable =

[Alex]

That's the thing with Dagsson - it's a great 1v1 Commander, but the deck can just as easily win a multiplayer game.

The last multiplayer game I played with it, my board state was something like:
Arcum Dagsson
Silver Myr
Thousand-Year Elixir

And one of the players decided that the board was getting too crowded so he cast [card]Akroma's Vengeance[/card]. I activated Arcum, sac'd Myr to get Mycosynth Lattice, then untapped Arcum with Elixir, sac'd Arcum to get Darksteel Forge.

All permanents are artifacts + all artifacts are destroyed + all my artifacts are indestructable =

And then you yelled "HAHA GG NERD GET SHAT UPON" and punched him in the face, running out of the room hysterically while tearing off your clothes.

Right?

Right.

[redthirst]

That's the thing with Dagsson - it's a great 1v1 Commander, but the deck can just as easily win a multiplayer game.

The last multiplayer game I played with it, my board state was something like:
Arcum Dagsson
Silver Myr
Thousand-Year Elixir

And one of the players decided that the board was getting too crowded so he cast [card]Akroma's Vengeance[/card]. I activated Arcum, sac'd Myr to get Mycosynth Lattice, then untapped Arcum with Elixir,
sac'd Arcum to get Darksteel Forge.

All permanents are artifacts + all artifacts are destroyed + all my artifacts are indestructable =

And then you yelled "HAHA GG NERD GET SHAT UPON" and punched him in the face, running out of the room hysterically while tearing off your clothes.

Right?

Right.

Oh shit! You were there too?

[redthirst]

Although, I suppose you could have just guessed that since it's how I end all my games...








...with class.