SOA Mafia: Season One -- Day Four

[Stardust]

My scum read on LMD is not the strongest ever, but it's not a tactic. I historically have correctly called LMD as town, even when everyone else wasn't (see WePick Mafia). I think he's acting differently here. I think the things he's chosen to get involved in and what way he gets involved in them just reeks. On top of that, he just sounds the same as he did in Lego (where he was scum). Overall, I'm maybe 85% sure that LMD is scum.

[hamfactorial]

I ISO'd LMD after reading Stardust's reply and saw this.

Waiting on an official votecount to vote (had a bit to drink so I'm not gonna say/do things I can't take back ) but I'm ready to vote him

This strikes me as a scummy thing to say. When I play town I write my posts quickly and figure that I can deal with blowback later, since I have faith that I'm town so I can convince people of that without trouble.

As scum I tend to write very carefully and avoid saying things I can't take back or haven't thought through, as LMD does here.

[hamfactorial]

Vote LMD

[Mcdonalds]

My scum read on LMD is not the strongest ever, but it's not a tactic. I historically have correctly called LMD as town, even when everyone else wasn't (see WePick Mafia). I think he's acting differently here. I think the things he's chosen to get involved in and what way he gets involved in them just reeks. On top of that, he just sounds the same as he did in Lego (where he was scum). Overall, I'm maybe 85% sure that LMD is scum.

I'm acting like I do every game, how do I act different here?

[Stardust]

When you're town you make me go

When you're scum you make me go

I don't care enough to pick apart all your posts and compare them to previous games, but I just checked back at WePick and Lego and this game, comparing all three side by side. The smiley test holds. Sometimes when I do a meta check like this, I forget which game I'm looking at. Here, I can read a couple of your posts and know exactly where I'm at. You feel different.

That's all without looking at your actual behaviour this game which has hit my radar twice in a big way (the first being your interactions with me Day 1 and the second being your interactions with the Jamie wagon Day 2).

[Stardust]

I guess you can include avoiding the Dechs wagon to that list, but that's more minor.

[WitchHunt]

I think so. An SK makes a game like that pretty easily broken. Lynch town, mafia kills town, SK kills town, lynch SK results in a Day 2 mafia victory (with only one mislynch).

SK's are kind of a balancing force since they'll try to work against whatever faction is currently leading, but they are more anti-town than anti-mafia and need to be balanced accordingly. We know there's a (presumably town) bulletproof. Maybe there are a bunch more powerful defensive roles on townside to balance a three mafia game. Until we see that, I'm going to assume the 99% probable 2 mafia scenario.

I'm going to agree with this bit here. Considering the flavor, I'm willing to bet there's a vig floating around as well. I feel like it would be way too easy to throw things into an easy mafia win.

God, I guess I have to reread things over.
I'm not really happy of your choice of letting Jamie go without getting anything more from him than a simple handwave.

I'm not digging this. I've been progressively getting a more townie vibe from Jamie as he posts, he's trying harder and bringing up some pretty reasonable points. This reaction struck me as iffy.

In regards to LMD, I never quite know how to deal with him in the games we've played together. His lurky style makes it difficult for me to get a read on him and I legitimately was fishing for more content out of him. Now that he's generating more responses I'm getting a more panicked vibe from him now that attention is on him, similar to how Dechs did after some pressure was getting pushed on him.

Vote: LMD

[rezombad]

I ISO'd LMD after reading Stardust's reply and saw this.

Waiting on an official votecount to vote (had a bit to drink so I'm not gonna say/do things I can't take back ) but I'm ready to vote him

This strikes me as a scummy thing to say. When I play town I write my posts quickly and figure that I can deal with blowback later, since I have faith that I'm town so I can convince people of that without trouble.

As scum I tend to write very carefully and avoid saying things I can't take back or haven't thought through, as LMD does here.

Were you there for boondocks mafia where I got imopen mislynched by bringing up his getting stoned (iirc)?

[hamfactorial]

No, I didn't play in that game. Am I off-track with my LMD vote?

[Stardust]

rezmo, do you actually think I'm scum?

[rezombad]

No, I didn't play in that game. Am I off-track with my LMD vote?

I'll go into it tomorrow, super tired. I think you could make a better case though.

I like my vote on you right now, Stardust.

[RedNihilist]

God, I guess I have to reread things over.
I'm not really happy of your choice of letting Jamie go without getting anything more from him than a simple handwave.

It reads more like scum annoyed that a mislynch wagon has disbanded than townie relief that a mislynch wagon has disbanded.

Yeah, like that time with Wraith in Gone Postal, right?

[hamfactorial]

[Stardust]

imopen, Jamie and kpaca have both been MIA for a week. Prod please?

[rcwraspy]

I think so. An SK makes a game like that pretty easily broken. Lynch town, mafia kills town, SK kills town, lynch SK results in a Day 2 mafia victory (with only one mislynch).

SK's are kind of a balancing force since they'll try to work against whatever faction is currently leading, but they are more anti-town than anti-mafia and need to be balanced accordingly. We know there's a (presumably town) bulletproof. Maybe there are a bunch more powerful defensive roles on townside to balance a three mafia game. Until we see that, I'm going to assume the 99% probable 2 mafia scenario.

You thought you knew the setup last game and it lost town the game. Please compare/contrast.

[Stardust]

Dechs didn't win last game either. He would have if he'd made the correct choice. Anyway, there's no danger in this assumption. If we lynch two scum and the game's still going, we find one more. No big deal.

[Jamie]

LMD is at L-2.
Can you share a scum/townie list, LMD?

[Mcdonalds]

Sure

Town
Ham - town, I don't get the impression that he isn't
Ria - seems fine, little tough for me to read him do to his posting restriction but he seems alright
RCW - neutral to him honestly
Red - he hasn't posted much but what he has posted has been solid
Rez - okay, neutral to him but he's not the first person Id suspect


Scum
Stardust - I actually think he maybe bussing Jamie, I'd still lynch Jamie first regardless (more sure about him than stardust), but the double vote on Jamie at the beginning (which may have been a typo) alarmed me, his insistence on going on that wagon when all else fails but him jumping on me when it is opportune seems odd, Stardust I know prefers playing town and is generally a team player so it wouldn't surprise me if he would try to save his scum buddies if possible (which given recent posts seems likely), could be reading too much into that.
Jamie - done nothing to make me think he's town, threw mud at red, feels really forces at times

[Mcdonalds]

Who the fuck did I forget?

[hamfactorial]

LMD:

You stated earlier that you thought Stardust was bussing Jamie, but his vote had already moved to you. How can he bus Jamie while trying to start a new wagon?

[hamfactorial]

I think you missed WitchHunt

[Mcdonalds]

LMD:

You stated earlier that you thought Stardust was bussing Jamie, but his vote had already moved to you. How can he bus Jamie while trying to start a new wagon?

was at least

[Mcdonalds]

I think you missed WitchHunt

he's fine, haven't read too much into his posts but at a glance they are fine

[rcwraspy]

LMD, what did you hope to glean from the first page question about vanilla town bluffing an ability when forced to claim?

[Mcdonalds]

Nothing really, given how slow moving we tend to be, opening with an open ended question to start discussion I thought would be the quickest way out of RVS (which it kind of worked I guess), the question was poor however

[rezombad]

unvote; stardust

Let's see where I land after a reread.

Could take a day or two.

[imopen2]

Vote count #7:

LMD(3): stardust, ham, witchhunt
Jaime(2): rianalnn, red
Not Voting(4): lmd, rez, rcw, jaime
With 9 alive, it is 5 to lynch

[imopen2]

Rianalnn has been prodded

[Mcdonalds]

vote jamie

[rcwraspy]

have we had a t/s list or a claim from Jamie? I think this is the second time he's been put to L-2. Would like that content to sift through before voting.

[Stardust]

I don't think Jamie should claim at this point. T/S list sounds good though. Once you and rezombad (and kpaca?) decide where you lie, getting a claim from someone will make more sense.

[rcwraspy]

i can agree with that. +town points to stardust for that, too.

[RedNihilist]

Sorry for my absence, but I'm having trouble finding time for a reread (I'm attending 3 PPTQs in the next 8 days)

[rianalnn]

*kpaca sniffs the air for jamies claim*

*kpaca can't find it*

*kpaca is sad since he caught the sk yesterday after a botched claim*

WHINEY BARK

[rianalnn]

Sorry for my absence, but I'm having trouble finding time for a reread (I'm attending 3 PPTQs in the next 8 days)

*kpaca looks at how few posts are in this mafia game and rolls his eyes*

[Stardust]

Obviously you still want to stay on Jamie, kpaca, but what do you think of LMD? Do you think I'm off track here?

[Stardust]

[Mcdonalds]

*guitar solo*

[Stardust]

Daykill Lord_Mcdonalds.

[Mcdonalds]

K