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Postby Khaospawn » Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:05 am

For the old men out there, does anybody want to discuss this?

http://www.starcitygames.com/article/30 ... Aggro.html

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[deck=DJDeluxe 2nd Place at Magic Online Daily Event on 4/6/2015]
Creature 19
4 Soulfire Grand Master
4 Goblin Rabblemaster
4 Thunderbreak Regent
4 Stormbreath Dragon
3 Brimaz, King of Oreskos

Spells 16
4 Hordeling Outburst
1 Outpost Siege
3 Roast
4 Draconic Roar
4 Stoke the Flames

Land 25
2 Haven of the Spirit Dragon
2 Evolving Wilds
8 Mountain
5 Plains
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Battlefield Forge

Sideboard 15
2 Wild Slash
2 Valorous Stance
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
1 Roast
3 Erase
2 Outpost Siege
3 Mastery of the Unseen
[/deck]
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Postby Self Medicated » Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:48 am

Saw that list last week while looking at MTGGoldfish. It piqued my interest, although I still want to play Atarka Red over this. Love the tribal synergy.
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Postby Valdarith » Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:56 am

I'm considering RW, Mardu, or Jeskai for Gameday. This list caught my eye. I'm looking at Ashcloud Phoenix and Flamewake Phoenix in particular. I'm expecting a ton of GR Dragons and mono red with a few UBx control and Abzan aggro.
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Postby Khaospawn » Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:03 am

I'm a big fan of the list.
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Postby pikachufan2164 » Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:24 am

For the old men out there, does anybody want to discuss this?

http://www.starcitygames.com/article/30 ... Aggro.html

For those too lazy to click:

[deck=DJDeluxe 2nd Place at Magic Online Daily Event on 4/6/2015]
Creature 19
4 Soulfire Grand Master
4 Goblin Rabblemaster
4 Thunderbreak Regent
4 Stormbreath Dragon
3 Brimaz, King of Oreskos

Spells 16
4 Hordeling Outburst
1 Outpost Siege
3 Roast
4 Draconic Roar
4 Stoke the Flames

Land 25
2 Haven of the Spirit Dragon
2 Evolving Wilds
8 Mountain
5 Plains
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Battlefield Forge

Sideboard 15
2 Wild Slash
2 Valorous Stance
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
1 Roast
3 Erase
2 Outpost Siege
3 Mastery of the Unseen
[/deck]
There was a post on /r/spikes about it as well.

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Postby Valdarith » Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:37 am

I would straight up run the list but I won't be able to get the Thunderbreaks in time.
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Postby Khaospawn » Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:39 am

I got rid of all my Brimaz. :gonk:
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Postby Khaospawn » Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:40 am

I suppose I could run a much lower to the ground version with Seekers and Slashes though.
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Postby Valdarith » Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:30 am

4 seeker of the way
4 soulfire grand master
4 goblin rabblemaster
4 monastery mentor

4 wild slash
3 lightning strike
2 roast
2 valorous stance
4 hordeling outburst
4 stoke the flames
2 chandra, pyromaster

4 temple of triumph
4 battlefield forge
2 wind-scarred crag
4 plains
9 mountain

Considering this.
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Postby Valdarith » Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:28 am

Changed my mind on Mentor.

4 seeker of the way
3 soulfire grand master
4 goblin rabblemaster
2 brimaz, king of oreskos
3 ashcloud phoenix

4 wild slash
3 lightning strike
2 roast
2 valorous stance
4 hordeling outburst
4 stoke the flames
2 chandra, pyromaster

4 battlefield forge
4 temple of triumph
2 wind-scarred crag
9 mountain
4 plains

2 erase
2 anger of the gods
2 roast
2 surge of righteousness
1 valorous stance
4 outpost siege
1 glare of heresy
1 ashcloud phoenix

Surge of Righteousness seems like nice tech.
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Postby Khaospawn » Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:34 am

[deck]
Creature 22
3 Seeker of the Way
3 Soulfire Grand Master
4 Goblin Rabblemaster
4 Hordeling Outburst
4 Thunderbreak Regent
4 Stormbreath Dragon

Spells 14
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
4 Wild Slash
4 Draconic Roar
4 Stoke the Flames

Land 24
1 Haven of the Spirit Dragon
1 Wind-Scarred Crag
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Battlefield Forge
5 Plains
9 Mountain

Sideboard 15
2 Roast
2 Valorous Stance
2 Outpost Siege
2 Mastery of the Unseen
2 Erase
2 Arc Lightning
2 Hushwing Gryff
1 Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker
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Postby Khaospawn » Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:34 am

Just off the top of my head.
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Postby Valdarith » Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:46 am

Cut a Plains and a Mountain, add a Crag and a Haven?
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Postby Pedrobear » Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:40 am

6 2-drops might be a good solution to keep RDW. I had almost the same idea after my last tournament, only 4 is not enough to keep the ground safe.
Still not decided on which pack (dragons or removal/phoenix) to play. But yeah Dragons gives also acces to Haven which is nice.

One more point, I wouldn't play Valorous Stance MD. It has not a good synergy with SGM.

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Postby Valdarith » Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:46 pm

Valorous Stance is necessary to deal with big fliers while being a flex spell for every matchup. Thunderbreak Regent is running rampant, especially in my meta where probably 40% of the field is running it.
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Postby Khaospawn » Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:30 pm

1 is sometimes okay. I wouldn't want more than that for game 1. The deck still runs Stoke the Flames as removal too.
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Postby Khaospawn » Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:16 pm

Cut a Plains and a Mountain, add a Crag and a Haven?
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Postby Valdarith » Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:53 pm

I can see moving one Stance to the board for the fourth Ashcloud since it on can deal with bigger fliers and can also trade with Stormbreath.
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Postby LP, of the Fires » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:07 pm

There are plans, and then there are plans.

[deck]
Creature:
4 Seeker of the Way
2 Soulfire Grand Master
4 Goblin Rabblemaster
4 Hordeling Outburst
4 Thunderbreak Regent
2 Ashcloud Phoenix
3 Stormbreath Dragon

Spells:
1 Chandra, Pyromaster
2 Mastery of the Unseen
4 Wild Slash
2 Draconic Roar
4 Stoke the Flames

Land:
1 Haven of the Spirit Dragon
1 Wind-Scarred Crag
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Battlefield Forge
5 Plains
9 Mountain

Sideboard:
3 Roast
1 Valorous Stance
2 Mastery of the Unseen
2 Seismic Rupture
3 Surge of Righteousness
2 Hammer of Purphoros
1 Ashcloud Phoenix
1 Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker
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You gotta understand, I love the beatdown. I really do. I always have.

Beatdown is hard, though.


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Postby LP, of the Fires » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:12 pm

Against Red, yo utake out regent, stormbreath, mastery, and 1 stoke for 3 surge, 2 rupture, 3 Roast, 1 phoenix, and 1 sakrhan.

Against Abzan control, you take out 4 slash, 2 roar, and 4 seeker for 1 stance, 2 mastery, 3 surge, 2 hammer, 1 ashcloud, and 1 sakrhan.

Against abzan agro, you have options for what you take out, but you bring in roast, surge, and sarkhan for sure.

Against control, take out 4 slash, 2 roar, bring in 2 mastery, 2 hammer, 1 ashcloud, 1 sarkahn.

Against green, you want roast, stance, and sarkhan. This is the matchup where you really miss chain, but sacrifices and such. Soulfire and mastery suck, roar may or may not be good, same with outburst. Rupture could be good or aweful as well.
You gotta understand, I love the beatdown. I really do. I always have.

Beatdown is hard, though.


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Postby LP, of the Fires » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:16 pm

Oh, I also just copied your manabase Khaos, but if you want more game against control, add a haven in place of something. It's great against them.

It's also possible for you to play a second stance over a second hammer since it's good against control and abzan where hammers good while also being good against green decks.

It's especially good against control since part of your plan is haven+dragon which silumgar shuts down and stance is an answer to dragonlord shenanigans.
You gotta understand, I love the beatdown. I really do. I always have.

Beatdown is hard, though.


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Postby Khaospawn » Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:01 pm

I'm gonna call the deck RW Dragons. XD

Yeah, the mana base looks great on paper. Can't wait to try it out:

2 Haven of the Spirit Dragon
2 Wind-Scarred Crag
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Battlefield Forge
4 Plains
8 Mountain
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Postby lorddax » Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:20 pm

This deck makes me happy. How often do you end up using the buyback on SGM?
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Postby Khaospawn » Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:20 pm

More often than you think. Sometimes as early as turn 4 if you can convoke a stoke.
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Postby Khaospawn » Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:21 pm

Even rebuying a slash when you hit 5 is solid value.
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Postby Valdarith » Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:02 pm

I've been so spoiled with Ascendancy and Outpost Siege that I absolutely dread playing a deck without them in the 60. I just want to be able to play my broken cards again. :(
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Postby Khaospawn » Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:43 am

It's a different world now.

It's a dromokas commands world and we're just living in it.
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Postby Pedrobear » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:31 am

LP, thank you the sideboard seems awesome, I loved Hammer pretty excited to play it again. But I don't understand the Mastery of the Unseen MD, what are they for ? Replacing Outpost Siege to take value of it earlier ?

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Postby AledM11 » Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:36 am

It seems there are a lot less dromokas commands around these days. I think its time to see this deck make a comeback in some shape or form.

I'm testing this early build at the moment.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/10-08-15-eri-rw-aggro/


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