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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:27 am

There's also Abzan.

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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:28 am

Stark said to switch them lol.

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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:28 am

Ash Cloud seems like a beating vs UB control too.

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Postby dpaine88 » Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:35 am

I think I'm in love with Osyp's Mardu deck, basically splash for a Doom n a few other cards.

Only 7 taplands just like Stark RW
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Postby NotARobot » Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:27 am

Ash Cloud seems like a beating vs UB control too.

If it ever resolves. I can't seem to stick anything that matters :/

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Postby Khaospawn » Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:09 pm

Have you tried sending it in as a 2/2 first?
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Postby Khaospawn » Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:58 pm

This was my 6-3 Day 1 deck for GP Miami:

[deck] Creatures 20
4 Seeker of the Way
1 Soulfire Grand Master
1 Heliod's Pilgrim
4 Hordeling Outburst
4 Goblin Rabblemaster
2 Ashcloud Phoenix
4 Stormbreath Dragon

Spells 16
1 Chandra, Pyromaster
2 Outpost Siege
4 Chained to the Rocks
2 Wild Slash
3 Lightning Strike
4 Stoke the Flames

Land 24
5 Plains
10 Mountain
1 Evolving Wilds
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Battlefield Forge

Sideboard
4 Hushwing Gryff
1 Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker
2 Mastery of the Unseen
2 Erase
2 Wild Slash
2 Arc Lightning
2 Valorous Stance
[/deck]

This will be my starting point moving forward:

[deck]
Creatures 18
3 Seeker of the Way
1 Soulfire Grand Master
1 Heliod's Pilgrim
4 Hordeling Outburst
4 Goblin Rabblemaster
1 Ashcloud Phoenix
4 Stormbreath Dragon

Spells 18
1 Chandra, Pyromaster
2 Outpost Siege
4 Chained to the Rocks
3 Wild Slash
3 Lightning Strike
4 Stoke the Flames
1 Abzan Advantage

Land 24
4 Plains
10 Mountain
1 Mana Confluence
1 Evolving Wilds
4 Temple of Triumph
4 Battlefield Forge

Sideboard
2 Ashcloud Phoenix
2 Hushwing Gryff
1 Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker
3 Erase
2 Mastery of the Unseen
3 Arc Lightning
2 Valorous Stance
[/deck]
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Postby Khaospawn » Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:59 pm

I don't care what anyone says about Ben Stark's list and low-curve, yada yada yada. Stormbreath Dragons are still fee wins. I want all the free wins I can get.
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Postby NotARobot » Wed Mar 11, 2015 12:36 am

Gotta agree Khaos.

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Postby Khaospawn » Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:18 am

It's a beautiful thing.
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Postby LP, of the Fires » Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:20 am

While I understand the sentiment, calling SBD free wins CAN'T be an accurate use of the term.
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Postby Khaospawn » Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:25 am

I lost count how many times my opponents said,"Well, that's a dragon." And then they proceeded to take 4 damage up the ass until dead.
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Postby Khaospawn » Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:25 am

I don't know what that says, but I'll take it as often as I can get.
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Postby Sioux » Wed Mar 11, 2015 9:31 am

Wow, Khaospawn, your lists have so much moxie I'm very tempted to play one of them at the up and coming PPTQ we're having at my LGS this weekend. Is Heliod's Pilgrim performing that well?
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Postby Khaospawn » Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:52 pm

I love that card.
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Postby Aodh » Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:45 pm

Can you please add 1 Dragon's Mantle or Hammerhand for versatility? This would make the pilgrim infinitely better, IMO.

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Postby Self Medicated » Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:17 pm

I don't think those cards would add anything to the deck, plus I wouldn't want to remove anything for them. That being said, I'm not big on Pilgrim to begin with.
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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Wed Mar 11, 2015 8:59 pm

Problem is, there's a growing number of decks that just don't care about Stormbreath Dragon.

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Postby Self Medicated » Wed Mar 11, 2015 9:09 pm

LD - Are you replying to me or Khaos?
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Postby Khaospawn » Wed Mar 11, 2015 9:29 pm

Can you please add 1 Dragon's Mantle or Hammerhand for versatility? This would make the pilgrim infinitely better, IMO.
No. Tried it and wasn't needed.
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Postby Khaospawn » Wed Mar 11, 2015 9:30 pm

Also Abzan Advantage in then main is good right now.
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Postby Aodh » Wed Mar 11, 2015 9:33 pm

Can you please add 1 Dragon's Mantle or Hammerhand for versatility? This would make the pilgrim infinitely better, IMO.
No. Tried it and wasn't needed.
I just don't understand why the Pilgrim's better than a Valorous Stance, then.

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Postby Khaospawn » Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:14 pm

Because the Pilgrim is a body and is good in the mirror for blocking tokens.

In my experience, V stance is better from the board.

I'm not trying to convince you. I'm just sharing what has worked for me.
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Postby Khaospawn » Thu Mar 12, 2015 2:51 am

On a side note, it doesn't look like RW will be getting much help with this new set. I'm okay with this though.
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Postby Midnight_v » Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:47 pm

On a side note, it doesn't look like RW will be getting much help with this new set. I'm okay with this though.
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Postby lorddax » Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:28 pm

Hey guys, was out of game for a while and ended up looking for where RW was at cause its the only manabase I have right now and then I find another Khaos brew, they do me so well when getting back in after hiatus. Hope you dont mind if I try this out and tweak it for me meta bro.

On the RW front and Dragons, something I was looking at was some of the ETB triggers that could be up for shenanigans with Lightning berseker and Zurgobell striker.
I'll be messing around with Afaneza's creature ETB bolster 1 trigger, Impact Termors ETB 1 damage to opp, purp's ETB 2 damage

[deck]RW Triggers Starting[/deck]
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Postby Khaospawn » Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:03 pm

they do me so well
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Feel free to use whatever list you want.
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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Sat Mar 14, 2015 1:08 am

What have you guts been doing vs UB / Sultai control? I've been eating shit.

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Postby Purp » Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:01 am

Play jeskai.
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Postby Jamie » Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:20 am

Playing jeskai

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Postby Pedrobear » Sat Mar 14, 2015 12:40 pm

I will try your last list this afternoon Khaospawn. I would like to switch to Bne Stark RW but hadnt the time since 3 weeks to find additionnal SGM. Plus even less time to try it in good conditions so I will stick to a kind of deck I know very well.

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Postby Khaospawn » Sat Mar 14, 2015 3:33 pm

What have you guts been doing vs UB / Sultai control? I've been eating shit.
Throwing Ashcloud Phoenixes and Manifest tokens at them.
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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Sat Mar 14, 2015 4:10 pm

If I play today, I'll be trying Khaos' 75 methinks.

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Postby Khaospawn » Sat Mar 14, 2015 4:38 pm

It's been really good to me so far.

My only issue at my LGS now is that RW is popping up everywhere and I'm getting real sick of the mirrors.
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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:09 pm

I decided to run it. R1 got steam rolled by RDW. Is that generally a bad matchup? I kind of feel like he just had sick rips.

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Postby Aodh » Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:24 pm

Shouldn't be a bad match-up since you have infinite removal spells and every one of your cards is excellent against them except for too many Outposts or Rabbles.

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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:54 pm

Ok then.

Nutstomped mono-black humans R2.

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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Sat Mar 14, 2015 7:44 pm

Loss and drop to know silver level pro player playing UB control (0-2).

Maybe I'm just having rotten luck, but I feel like the deck doesn't have a leg to stand on vs Control.

Did not help that I got stuck on 3 lands.

I am going to take a break, probably until the DTK prerelease.

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Postby Khaospawn » Sat Mar 14, 2015 8:12 pm

Rdw can be tough game 1 if you're drawing you're high end spells. You gotta lower the curve as much as you can post board. Arc Lightning helps a lot.

Hell, I've even ran morphed birds out there for chump blockers until i could stabilize.
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hamfactorial » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:41 pm wrote:In a pinch, Khaos' beard can help turn this around.

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Postby Khaospawn » Sat Mar 14, 2015 8:15 pm

LD, sounds like you're having just terrible luck. :gonk:

With that said, UB can be tricky at times. Mastery + Flyers postboard is my plan. Just jam all the threats.
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