Added (freedom) to the quote.the things zem was condemning him (freedom) for were not things
Can you break down those things which are not really things for us?
Added (freedom) to the quote.the things zem was condemning him (freedom) for were not things
Son, I want you to know that no matter what happens between your mother and me, it's all your fault.
If you had read my posts more in depth; you would have noticed my point about X finding Y point that freedom does not understand. Iamopen2 is the better scum to lynch. Captain Murphy is a strong second. How the role will say whether freedom is scum or not. Last game he played pretty much the same. Passive comments or reads with a devil's advocate twist. Hard to read in general.Imopen and freedom are both scum, we can only lynch one at a time Wraith.
Also freedom wasn't supporting doc hunting he was voting murphy what?
You drive badass things.
Last time you said I was misreading; my gut was right and I listened to you instead. Not happening again. Your reason to constantly lynch Zem in every game with poor evidence is noticeable now to me. You did make a contradiction with finding C.P idea of Doctor I.D. to be scum followed with voting Zem for being aggresive with Freedom for passively saying that C.P's doc huntingwraith, you're misreading again. I never supported doc hunting, and I never contradicted myself. I don't know if freedom is scum or not but the things zem was condemning him for were not things, therefore I doubt zem's towniness.
I see fate is failing to be a team-player this game too. lovely.
I'm fine with a murphy or a zem lynch. no one else at the moment
You drive badass things.
A few things:Last time you said I was misreading; my gut was right and I listened to you instead. Not happening again. Your reason to constantly lynch Zem in every game with poor evidence is noticeable now to me. You did make awraith, you're misreading again. I never supported doc hunting, and I never contradicted myself. I don't know if freedom is scum or not but the things zem was condemning him for were not things, therefore I doubt zem's towniness.
I see fate is failing to be a team-player this game too. lovely.
I'm fine with a murphy or a zem lynch. no one else at the moment
contradiction with finding C.P idea of Doctor I.D. to be scum followed with voting Zem for being aggresive with Freedom for passively saying that C.P's doc hunting idea was OK. You can't have it both ways. You think you are good at covering it up, but the contradiction is strongly there.
That explains why people keep coming over for chicken nuggets
Everyone's a winner, we're making our fame,1 - Drunk, surly zem
2 - Nice, modest zem
3 - Bragpost zem
4 - Confident and funny zem
5 - Condescending jerk zem
6 - Self-aware zem
DING! They're one of the scum teamsimopen and freedom have the strongest scum vibes from that whole wagon, they are the two to watch
Everyone's a winner, we're making our fame,1 - Drunk, surly zem
2 - Nice, modest zem
3 - Bragpost zem
4 - Confident and funny zem
5 - Condescending jerk zem
6 - Self-aware zem
Its what he is implying - he is attempting to create an understanding where his own future scum slips are just "him accidentally saying something scummy". There's no need to add that detail, except for his own benefit in the future. That addition ONLY benefits Freedom. It is also WAY too self aware - Freedom attracted a lot of heat in DTR-mafia for saying scummy things, and has even made comment on that in this game, yet here he is trying to use that to deflect future attention.No. All he is saying is thatUnvote, vote FreedomThere could be a bit of town motivation. He could just be a townie saying the wrong things, like I am. He could even be the doctor. But calling him scum is a good way to get more information from him.
You were asking for it with this post. Scum no. 1 found. All aboard the wagon. Lynch lynch lynch lynch lynch.
he is a townie who is saying the wrong things. What is scummy about that?
That's because you're his scum buddy.Why are youYou can only say Murphy is scum if you think a veteran player would knowingly make that slip. Don't buy it.
Freedom is the lynch, go.
You can copy and paste from my post above.
Lynch!
in such a hurry? I haven't seen anything scummy from freedom yet.
Seriously? Of course he didn't actually come out and say "I am scum". Why are you buddying and defending him so hard? You don't defend other players like this. Why answer all of my allegations on his behalf? Why not let him speak for himself?He said nothing of the sort. You're making things up.No point to rush until I know who is scum. You told us you were and even your last posts were scum posts. Now that the direction is clear I can lynch with no fear.
Hang.
I wouldn't know, still Vanilla Town here. Explain the OMGUS comment? I assume you're just using it incorrectly. What'sYou've got to be kidding me. OMGUS.SCUM POST DETECTEDTell me, what made you change your mind about this? Why'd you go from "let's learn as much as we can today before we lynch someone" to "get freedom, NOW!"?game will only go a few days so rushing to a day 1 lynch doesn't appeal to me.
Unvote
Vote: Zem
How does it feel to be mafia for the first time?
Everyone's a winner, we're making our fame,1 - Drunk, surly zem
2 - Nice, modest zem
3 - Bragpost zem
4 - Confident and funny zem
5 - Condescending jerk zem
6 - Self-aware zem
The person that suspects me MUST BE SCUM.Town
freedom
Wraith
Manders
imopen2
Null
Stardust
GR
Fate
Suga
raspy
Void
rez
Scum
zem
Murphy
Everyone's a winner, we're making our fame,1 - Drunk, surly zem
2 - Nice, modest zem
3 - Bragpost zem
4 - Confident and funny zem
5 - Condescending jerk zem
6 - Self-aware zem
OH LOOK MORE SCUM TEAM BUDDYINGJust saying, it seems obvious to me that Zem was scummy, or at least very incorrect about his analysis of freedom and only myself and freedom have noticed. Your thoughts?
Everyone's a winner, we're making our fame,1 - Drunk, surly zem
2 - Nice, modest zem
3 - Bragpost zem
4 - Confident and funny zem
5 - Condescending jerk zem
6 - Self-aware zem
Everyone's a winner, we're making our fame,1 - Drunk, surly zem
2 - Nice, modest zem
3 - Bragpost zem
4 - Confident and funny zem
5 - Condescending jerk zem
6 - Self-aware zem
See, this is you again trying to draw on previous meta to push the notion that you simply must be Town; but you're doing it in a way that (as you have already hand waved away and need to address) will excuse any future scummy behaviour. This is exactly the same issue I took with you earlier, you should think about that more critically instead of just leaping to the conclusion that I am scum (since we are going back to DTR mafia, remember how convinced Rezombad and Pie were that I was scum, then I flipped Town after the day kill? Go look at how I hounded Tubehunter in Ragnarok mafia - you makeRemember how much Pie (the vanilla townie) defended me (the cop) in DTR mafia? I guess that meant that Pie had to be scum and I had to be his partner, right?
Everyone's a winner, we're making our fame,1 - Drunk, surly zem
2 - Nice, modest zem
3 - Bragpost zem
4 - Confident and funny zem
5 - Condescending jerk zem
6 - Self-aware zem
Even the tone of this sounds forced.Zem, you have absolutely no case against me. For crying out loud, one of your points is that I'm trying to look town!
Everyone's a winner, we're making our fame,1 - Drunk, surly zem
2 - Nice, modest zem
3 - Bragpost zem
4 - Confident and funny zem
5 - Condescending jerk zem
6 - Self-aware zem
But you haven't actually addressed my argument.Not trying to use that logic (or lack thereof) at all. I'm not proving my argument here, I'm just poking holes in yours.Secondly your own assertion is defeated because you're basically saying "this is exactly like this other time I was Town, so logically I must be Town!". Except it doesn't work like that. People are able to play similarly as either faction, but that you keep trying to assert that your Town because you're play is similar to another game in Town, is in itself, scummy.
Everyone's a winner, we're making our fame,1 - Drunk, surly zem
2 - Nice, modest zem
3 - Bragpost zem
4 - Confident and funny zem
5 - Condescending jerk zem
6 - Self-aware zem
I think Z understood perfectly. You claimed scum, but apparently forgot that and explained it away with this post?No you misunderstand.
1. I didn't know the kill failed if thye both used it on a townie (never heard of that mechanic, usually its just scum are immune to each others? I skimmed through the set-up readings not my thing.)
2. I didn't want to be killed by either team because I have this bad record of dying N1 every game I play and never getting to contribute.
"Can it really be that easy?" No, it can't. This post is a scum post. Ah, I see Fate caught the same thing.Good post. I think between what you said and what I said, we've brought out most of the information.Yes, but the inherent problem with discussing on whom the doctor can use the doc ability is that it lets the scum know on whom the ability won't be used, such that their kills can go off more freely (they now only have to worry about cancelling each other out, there is no additional worry about the doc stopping a kill as well). So the discussion does serve scum somewhat. It does also allow for us to decide on the most likely Town players, so that scum will probably have to kill off the weaker Town players first, which is optimal for Town. So I think it reasonably goes both ways.
I'm fairly certain that Murphy is our best lynch for Day 1, but it feels so strange to me to have that by page 4. In DTR mafia, that didn't happen for us until well after
page 10 when we tried to get raspy, and it took a few more before we lynched Pie.
When did I highlight that? Link.If I have learned anything from the games I have played, it is that I need to trust my reads and more aggressively push for a lynch - Stardust really highlighted that to me after DTR mafia.
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