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Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:34 am
by zemanjaski
Echoing Truth is no joke. Is there enough upside to it vs.
Vapor Snag or
Repulse?
You might want to look into a more aggro version with Phantasmal Bear and less land + Gitaxian Probe (no Ninja or Faeries though, they're awful).
They're seriously awful; I just 2-0'd a Mono U Ninja's player where I landed a Turn 3 Spire Golem both games and he proceeded to play out 3-4 more creatures that couldn't rumble with it. Was sad.
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:36 am
by Alex
Echoing Truth is no joke. Is there enough upside to it vs.
Vapor Snag or
Repulse?
You might want to look into a more aggro version with Phantasmal Bear and less land + Gitaxian Probe (no Ninja or Faeries though, they're awful).
They're seriously awful; I just 2-0'd a Mono U Ninja's player where I landed a Turn 3 Spire Golem both games and he proceeded to play out 3-4 more creatures that couldn't rumble with it. Was sad.
These are the games that I actually hate playing, because we both just sit on board staring at each other and the clock runs out. Hence Echoing Truth.
I like the Trespassing Souleater for the same reason.
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:14 am
by zemanjaski
Haha I love those games because I board out my Delvers!
2-0 vs Chris Davis in the finals of an 8 man; he was recording another burn video. The plan of bringing in 4 Hydroblast + 4 Duress for 2 Essence Scatter, 4 Exclude, 2 Repeal worked well, Piracy Charm is basically Duress.
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:50 am
by DarthStabber
You might want to look into a more aggro version with Phantasmal Bear and less land + Gitaxian Probe (no Ninja or Faeries though, they're awful).
Faeries are just fine if you are willing to swing full aggro/tempo/blue skies, it's when you go faerie control that you get into trouble.
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:23 am
by zemanjaski
Ephemeron was a bit meh in practice, probably because it's only a singleton. My strategy has been to resolve a Golem then loop Arrows with Repeal until my opponent wants to kill himself.
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:26 am
by zemanjaski
It could probably just be Dispel honestly.
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:27 am
by zemanjaski
That would give me an extra card for some of the combo decks and Burn too.
Yup, done.
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:11 am
by zemanjaski
Halimar Watchkeep for the mirror? Sigh.
Tresspassing Souleater / Deathcult Rogue / Rootwater Commando is probably the best you'll get. I have wracked my brains for an easy way to crush the mirror, and without a complete SB overhaul there isn't.
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:52 am
by zemanjaski
Deathcult Rogue is the best option. Solved!
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:03 pm
by DarthStabber
Seems interesting.
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:54 pm
by zemanjaski
Going to try out some other sideboard ideas. So much work to do! Main 60 is perfect though.
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:56 pm
by magicdownunder
[deck=The_Apologist's MUC]Lands 22
19 Island
3 Quicksand
Spells 28
4 Counterspell
4 Deprive
4 Exclude
2 Miscalculation
2 Oona's Grace
4 Preordain
2 Prohibit
2 Repeal
4 Think Twice
Creatures 10
4 Delver of Secrets
2 Errant Ephemeron
4 Spire Golem
Sideboard 15
2 Annul
2 Curfew
2 Curse of the Bloody Tome
2 Dispel
3 Piracy Charm
2 Serrated Arrows
2 Spell Pierce[/deck]
Anti-MUC MUC deck
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:12 pm
by hamfactorial
Deathcult Rogue is the real fuckin' deal. Had some nasty board stall going with a bunch of Spire Golems and Delvers vs. a Faeries deck, then Rogue came down and clocked him ezpz.
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:10 pm
by zemanjaski
[deck=The_Apologist's MUC]Lands 22
19 Island
3 Quicksand
Spells 28
4 Counterspell
4 Deprive
4 Exclude
2 Miscalculation
2 Oona's Grace
4 Preordain
2 Prohibit
2 Repeal
4 Think Twice
Creatures 10
4 Delver of Secrets
2 Errant Ephemeron
4 Spire Golem
Sideboard 15
2 Annul
2 Curfew
2 Curse of the Bloody Tome
2 Dispel
3 Piracy Charm
2 Serrated Arrows
2 Spell Pierce[/deck]
Anti-MUC MUC deck
Yeah that will definitely do it! Curse of the Bloody Tome is so good against MBC and MUC, maybe that is the solution.
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:25 pm
by zemanjaski
Might just go back to Curse of Chains in the board; good in the mirror for Spire Golem; if they bounce their own guy with Snap you can counter it on the way back down; and it helps vs. Affinity.
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:12 am
by zemanjaski
2-1 vs Hexproof
2-1 vs MBC
2-1 vs Mono Blue Ninjas
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:15 am
by Alex
[deck]My current working list[/deck]
Things to do:
# Consider the Muddle the Mixture package, including Echoing Truth, Vedalken Aethermage, Jace's Erasure, etc.
# Remove
Piracy Charm. I know James likes the card a lot, and I understand why it's in the deck, it has just not been that incredible for me. I'd probably rather just have it be
Dispel or
Negate. The matchups I normally board in Piracy Charm for (burn and the mirror) I could see more value in just having more countermagic than making them discard the spell of their
choice.
# Find room for Echoing Truth. Card is really good against the aggro decks. Also not bad in the faeries matchup as it can set you up for a potentially lethal swing.
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:17 am
by zemanjaski
Piracy Charm is also for Faeries / Stompy / Goblins. If you're not facing those then 4 Dispel will be better.
I'm going to give a lot of though to this Muddle Package, it seems gross.
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:18 am
by zemanjaski
What matchup(s) are vault skirts for?
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:21 am
by Alex
What matchup(s) are vault skirts for?
I thought they'd be better in the mirror than they have been. I am probably taking them out, but every time I've landed one with a Spectral Flight I've won the game.
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:06 am
by hamfactorial
I've liked Piracy Charm, and I bring it in vs Faeries, MBC and Burn. It's annoying, but Piracy Charm + Quicksand on an x/3 isn't the worst. I often board Piracy Charm in for Repeal against decks with ETB creatures.
The all-star has been Serrated Arrows, it clawed me back out of a nasty mirror match board stall twice this morning.
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:07 am
by Alex
I've liked Piracy Charm, and I bring it in vs Faeries, MBC and Burn.
The all-star has been Serrated Arrows, it clawed me back out of a nasty mirror match board stall.
I didn't buy them yet, I was going to wait until I went into the green to do so. I've been noticing that I might need them to get there, though.
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:25 am
by hamfactorial
Muddle the Mixture can search out
Into the Roil which is worse in small creature matchups but better at resetting Spire Golems and Serrated Arrows.
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:37 am
by hamfactorial
Omenspeaker is a worse Sea Gate Oracle, but comes down a turn earlier and is Muddleable.
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:41 am
by Alex
We're really going deep on this Muddle nonsense.
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:42 am
by Alex
Also I just had an opponent scoop in response to my Think Twice on his Squadron Hawk.
Is this the real life?
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:43 am
by hamfactorial
Everyone knows that Think Twice always draws the counterspell.
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:44 am
by Helios
Muddle me like one of your blue cards baby.
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:47 am
by Alex
Everyone knows that Think Twice always draws the counterspell.
Best part was: it was only turn 2.
Maybe he suspected Daze or something.
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:52 am
by hamfactorial
Think Twice into Force of Will. Then scream VALUE at the monitor.
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:09 am
by Alex
Ugh just lost to that stupid affinity deck due to mulligans to 4 in both games. Feels bad. Back into the red.
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:27 am
by zemanjaski
Settled on 74 of 75. Won another 8-man.
[deck]Pauper MUC[/deck]
Creatures
4 Delver of Secrets
2 Sea Gate Oracle
4 Spire Golem
Instants
4 Counterspell
4 Deprive
2 Essence Scatter
4 Exclude
2 Oona's Grace
4 Repeal
4 Think Twice
Sorceries
4 Preordain
Lands
19 Island
3 Quicksand
Sideboard
2 Curse of Chains
4 Hydroblast
4 Piracy Charm
2 Sea Gate Oracle
2 Serrated Arrows
[/deck]
1 slot left.
Matchups
Great (65%+)
- Mono Black (-4 Repeal; +2 SGO, +2 Arrows)
- UB Trinket (ibid)
- Kilnclops (-4 Delver, -2 SGO, +2 Curse of Chains, +4 Hydroblast)
- RUG Tron (-4 Repeal, +4 Hydroblast)
- any combo deck (-4 Repeal, +4 Piracy Charm, usually)
Good (55%+)
- Stompy (-4 Delver, -4 Deprive, +4 Piracy
Charm, +2 SGO, +2 Serrated Arrows)
- White Weenie (ibid)
- MUC Mirror (-4 Delver, -2 SGO; +4 Piracy Charm, +2 Serrated Arrows)
Fair
- Ninja Delver (ibid)
- Hexproof (-2 Deprive, +2 SGO)
Poor
- Affinity; still trying different ideas, mostly curse of Chains / Hydroblast.
I want to try out Curse of Chains in the mirror as well as a cheap answer to Spire Golem / Stormbound Geist.
Final slot still open for discussion; I need to go look at some of the sideboard plans from other players on mtgo.
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 3:22 am
by DarthStabber
What about annul vs affinity?
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 7:43 am
by zemanjaski
I'll be playing in the MTGO Premier Event at 6:30pm tomorrow night (7:30am EST if you're in the States). If you're interested, tune in at
www.twitch.tv/zemanjaski. Usual FAQ / breakdown after the event.
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 7:44 am
by zemanjaski
Going with -1 SGO, +2 Curse of Chains in the board.
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 7:50 am
by zemanjaski
Well, if I only need the card for Affinity, maybe I just want Steel Sabotage.
Fuck I hate Affinity.
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:18 am
by zemanjaski
[deck]Updated sideboard[/deck]
Not worth trying to beat Affinity; so I've made every other matchup as good as possible.
Ill try to explain all the choices on stream.
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 4:43 pm
by Alex
Steel Sabotage isn't awful against Tron either. It's basically "U: Time Walk target bad deck."
Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:20 pm
by zemanjaski
Won an 8-man:
2-0 vs mirror
2-1 vs mirror
2-0 vs mirror
So many games going turn 24+
Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:27 am
by zemanjaski