[Primer] Mono Blue Control

Pauper and pauper variants. (Villager, Peasant, etc.)

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Postby zemanjaski » Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:34 am

Echoing Truth is no joke. Is there enough upside to it vs. Vapor Snag or Repulse?

You might want to look into a more aggro version with Phantasmal Bear and less land + Gitaxian Probe (no Ninja or Faeries though, they're awful).

They're seriously awful; I just 2-0'd a Mono U Ninja's player where I landed a Turn 3 Spire Golem both games and he proceeded to play out 3-4 more creatures that couldn't rumble with it. Was sad.
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Postby Alex » Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:36 am

Echoing Truth is no joke. Is there enough upside to it vs. Vapor Snag or Repulse?

You might want to look into a more aggro version with Phantasmal Bear and less land + Gitaxian Probe (no Ninja or Faeries though, they're awful).

They're seriously awful; I just 2-0'd a Mono U Ninja's player where I landed a Turn 3 Spire Golem both games and he proceeded to play out 3-4 more creatures that couldn't rumble with it. Was sad.
These are the games that I actually hate playing, because we both just sit on board staring at each other and the clock runs out. Hence Echoing Truth.

I like the Trespassing Souleater for the same reason.

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Postby zemanjaski » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:14 am

Haha I love those games because I board out my Delvers!

2-0 vs Chris Davis in the finals of an 8 man; he was recording another burn video. The plan of bringing in 4 Hydroblast + 4 Duress for 2 Essence Scatter, 4 Exclude, 2 Repeal worked well, Piracy Charm is basically Duress.
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Postby DarthStabber » Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:50 am

You might want to look into a more aggro version with Phantasmal Bear and less land + Gitaxian Probe (no Ninja or Faeries though, they're awful).
Faeries are just fine if you are willing to swing full aggro/tempo/blue skies, it's when you go faerie control that you get into trouble.
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Postby zemanjaski » Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:23 am

Ephemeron was a bit meh in practice, probably because it's only a singleton. My strategy has been to resolve a Golem then loop Arrows with Repeal until my opponent wants to kill himself.
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Postby zemanjaski » Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:26 am

It could probably just be Dispel honestly.
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Postby zemanjaski » Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:27 am

That would give me an extra card for some of the combo decks and Burn too.

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Postby zemanjaski » Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:11 am

Halimar Watchkeep for the mirror? Sigh.

Tresspassing Souleater / Deathcult Rogue / Rootwater Commando is probably the best you'll get. I have wracked my brains for an easy way to crush the mirror, and without a complete SB overhaul there isn't.
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Postby zemanjaski » Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:52 am

Deathcult Rogue is the best option. Solved!
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Postby DarthStabber » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:03 pm

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Postby zemanjaski » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:54 pm

Going to try out some other sideboard ideas. So much work to do! Main 60 is perfect though.
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Postby magicdownunder » Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:56 pm

[deck=The_Apologist's MUC]Lands 22
19 Island
3 Quicksand

Spells 28
4 Counterspell
4 Deprive
4 Exclude
2 Miscalculation
2 Oona's Grace
4 Preordain
2 Prohibit
2 Repeal
4 Think Twice

Creatures 10
4 Delver of Secrets
2 Errant Ephemeron
4 Spire Golem

Sideboard 15
2 Annul
2 Curfew
2 Curse of the Bloody Tome
2 Dispel
3 Piracy Charm
2 Serrated Arrows
2 Spell Pierce[/deck]
Anti-MUC MUC deck :p
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Postby hamfactorial » Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:12 pm

Deathcult Rogue is the real fuckin' deal. Had some nasty board stall going with a bunch of Spire Golems and Delvers vs. a Faeries deck, then Rogue came down and clocked him ezpz.

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Postby zemanjaski » Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:10 pm

[deck=The_Apologist's MUC]Lands 22
19 Island
3 Quicksand

Spells 28
4 Counterspell
4 Deprive
4 Exclude
2 Miscalculation
2 Oona's Grace
4 Preordain
2 Prohibit
2 Repeal
4 Think Twice

Creatures 10
4 Delver of Secrets
2 Errant Ephemeron
4 Spire Golem

Sideboard 15
2 Annul
2 Curfew
2 Curse of the Bloody Tome
2 Dispel
3 Piracy Charm
2 Serrated Arrows
2 Spell Pierce[/deck]
Anti-MUC MUC deck :p
Yeah that will definitely do it! Curse of the Bloody Tome is so good against MBC and MUC, maybe that is the solution.
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Postby zemanjaski » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:25 pm

Might just go back to Curse of Chains in the board; good in the mirror for Spire Golem; if they bounce their own guy with Snap you can counter it on the way back down; and it helps vs. Affinity.
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Postby zemanjaski » Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:12 am

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2-1 vs Hexproof
2-1 vs MBC
2-1 vs Mono Blue Ninjas
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Postby Alex » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:15 am

[deck]My current working list[/deck]

Things to do:

# Consider the Muddle the Mixture package, including Echoing Truth, Vedalken Aethermage, Jace's Erasure, etc.
# Remove Piracy Charm. I know James likes the card a lot, and I understand why it's in the deck, it has just not been that incredible for me. I'd probably rather just have it be Dispel or Negate. The matchups I normally board in Piracy Charm for (burn and the mirror) I could see more value in just having more countermagic than making them discard the spell of their
choice.
# Find room for Echoing Truth. Card is really good against the aggro decks. Also not bad in the faeries matchup as it can set you up for a potentially lethal swing.

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Postby zemanjaski » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:17 am

Piracy Charm is also for Faeries / Stompy / Goblins. If you're not facing those then 4 Dispel will be better.

I'm going to give a lot of though to this Muddle Package, it seems gross.
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Postby zemanjaski » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:18 am

What matchup(s) are vault skirts for?
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Postby Alex » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:21 am

What matchup(s) are vault skirts for?
I thought they'd be better in the mirror than they have been. I am probably taking them out, but every time I've landed one with a Spectral Flight I've won the game.

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Postby hamfactorial » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:06 am

I've liked Piracy Charm, and I bring it in vs Faeries, MBC and Burn. It's annoying, but Piracy Charm + Quicksand on an x/3 isn't the worst. I often board Piracy Charm in for Repeal against decks with ETB creatures.

The all-star has been Serrated Arrows, it clawed me back out of a nasty mirror match board stall twice this morning.
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Postby Alex » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:07 am

I've liked Piracy Charm, and I bring it in vs Faeries, MBC and Burn.

The all-star has been Serrated Arrows, it clawed me back out of a nasty mirror match board stall.
I didn't buy them yet, I was going to wait until I went into the green to do so. I've been noticing that I might need them to get there, though.

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Postby hamfactorial » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:25 am

Muddle the Mixture can search out Into the Roil which is worse in small creature matchups but better at resetting Spire Golems and Serrated Arrows.

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Postby hamfactorial » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:37 am

Omenspeaker is a worse Sea Gate Oracle, but comes down a turn earlier and is Muddleable.

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Postby Alex » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:41 am

We're really going deep on this Muddle nonsense.

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Postby Alex » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:42 am

Also I just had an opponent scoop in response to my Think Twice on his Squadron Hawk.

Is this the real life?

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Postby hamfactorial » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:43 am

Everyone knows that Think Twice always draws the counterspell.

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Postby Helios » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:44 am

Muddle me like one of your blue cards baby.

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Postby Alex » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:47 am

Everyone knows that Think Twice always draws the counterspell.
Best part was: it was only turn 2.

Maybe he suspected Daze or something.

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Postby hamfactorial » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:52 am

Think Twice into Force of Will. Then scream VALUE at the monitor.

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Postby Alex » Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:09 am

Ugh just lost to that stupid affinity deck due to mulligans to 4 in both games. Feels bad. Back into the red.

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Postby zemanjaski » Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:27 am

Settled on 74 of 75. Won another 8-man.

[deck]Pauper MUC[/deck]
Creatures
4 Delver of Secrets
2 Sea Gate Oracle
4 Spire Golem

Instants
4 Counterspell
4 Deprive
2 Essence Scatter
4 Exclude
2 Oona's Grace
4 Repeal
4 Think Twice

Sorceries
4 Preordain

Lands
19 Island
3 Quicksand

Sideboard
2 Curse of Chains
4 Hydroblast
4 Piracy Charm
2 Sea Gate Oracle
2 Serrated Arrows
[/deck]

1 slot left.

Matchups

Great (65%+)
- Mono Black (-4 Repeal; +2 SGO, +2 Arrows)
- UB Trinket (ibid)
- Kilnclops (-4 Delver, -2 SGO, +2 Curse of Chains, +4 Hydroblast)
- RUG Tron (-4 Repeal, +4 Hydroblast)
- any combo deck (-4 Repeal, +4 Piracy Charm, usually)

Good (55%+)
- Stompy (-4 Delver, -4 Deprive, +4 Piracy
Charm, +2 SGO, +2 Serrated Arrows)
- White Weenie (ibid)
- MUC Mirror (-4 Delver, -2 SGO; +4 Piracy Charm, +2 Serrated Arrows)

Fair
- Ninja Delver (ibid)
- Hexproof (-2 Deprive, +2 SGO)

Poor
- Affinity; still trying different ideas, mostly curse of Chains / Hydroblast.

I want to try out Curse of Chains in the mirror as well as a cheap answer to Spire Golem / Stormbound Geist.

Final slot still open for discussion; I need to go look at some of the sideboard plans from other players on mtgo.
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Postby DarthStabber » Sat Dec 21, 2013 3:22 am

What about annul vs affinity?
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Postby zemanjaski » Sat Dec 21, 2013 7:43 am

I'll be playing in the MTGO Premier Event at 6:30pm tomorrow night (7:30am EST if you're in the States). If you're interested, tune in at www.twitch.tv/zemanjaski. Usual FAQ / breakdown after the event.
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Postby zemanjaski » Sat Dec 21, 2013 7:44 am

Going with -1 SGO, +2 Curse of Chains in the board.
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Postby zemanjaski » Sat Dec 21, 2013 7:50 am

Well, if I only need the card for Affinity, maybe I just want Steel Sabotage.

Fuck I hate Affinity.
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Postby zemanjaski » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:18 am

[deck]Updated sideboard[/deck]

Not worth trying to beat Affinity; so I've made every other matchup as good as possible.

Ill try to explain all the choices on stream.
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Postby Alex » Sat Dec 21, 2013 4:43 pm

Steel Sabotage isn't awful against Tron either. It's basically "U: Time Walk target bad deck."

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Postby zemanjaski » Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:20 pm

Won an 8-man:

2-0 vs mirror
2-1 vs mirror
2-0 vs mirror

So many games going turn 24+
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