LEGO Movie Mafia - Game Over - Town Win

[Azrael]

I oppose anyone being forced to claim until someone explains an adequate reason why. Once you did, I supported your call.

I still do. You gotta work with us, walk us through it, not just say things and hope the rest of us will take everything on faith.

[Mcdonalds]

So yeah, I'm voting MoJo until he shoot someone, because if he lied, I want him to hang.

vig choice Ham

I'm confused, are you actually vig'ing him or are you saying you want mojo to vig him?

[Mcdonalds]

The town is struggling with a vacuum of leadership and momentum. Someone needs to fill it. I'm fine if that's people other than me, but those people will have to actually step up, share their thoughts, and start participating.

Agree with this sentiment, talking ourselves in circles doesn't really do anything, my thoughts would be one of the possible vig's do something and we go from there.

[Dechs Kaison]

So yeah, I'm voting MoJo until he shoot someone, because if he lied, I want him to hang.

vig choice Ham

I'm confused, are you actually vig'ing him or are you saying you want mojo to vig him?

I'm saying my vote for a vig shot is at Ham. I wanted something bold to stick out to you guys, but wouldn't confuse the Mod.

[Azrael]

At the moment we can't move forward until Imopen claims.

Mojo says that Imopen will be either confirmed town or confirmed scum as a result, and I'm certain he's holding his vig-shot in reserve until he knows which. And until Mojo uses his vig shot, we shouldn't lynch.

[Mcdonalds]

It's a start

[RedNihilist]

Last imopen2 post: viewtopic.php?p=257829#p257829

Prod time maybe?

OT: Happy birthday Rezmo!

[RedNihilist]

...or MoJo could just vig him and let us move on '-'

[Stardust]

Votecount!

Dechs Kaison (1): hamfactorial
hamfactorial (1): Azrael
Mogadishu Jones (1): Dechs Kaison

Not voting: Lord_Mcdonalds, imopen2, Mogadishu Jones, rezombad, RedNihilist

With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.


imopen2 has been prodded.

Searching for a replacement for rezombad.

[Mcdonalds]

It just wouldn't be a stardust game if the sane slot didn't get replaced constantly

[Azrael]

LMD, where are you at on Ham right now?

[rezombad]

[hamfactorial]

It just wouldn't be a stardust game if the sane slot didn't get replaced constantly

It adds to the flavor! The Lego movie had a few hours in the middle where a main character wandered off and everyone had to wait until his understudy got into costume.

[RedNihilist]

Where are you going rezmo? -_-

[rezombad]

things since i posted last:

ham still hasn't done anything pro-town
rednihilist hasn't done anything at all
az ruined kpaca's plan
something something imopen needs to claim

anything else?

[rezombad]

hey look, a guest.

[hamfactorial]

It's the scum, get him!

[imopen2]

Haven't read this page. I think I missed a page a few back too. I don't see why I should claim. If kpaca wants to vig me, he can, but it's a mistake. He certainly should vig SOMEONE to clear himself, though I'm pretty sure it was just a gambit.

Notes:
I remembered something kpaca said that I think clears him in my mind regardless.
Az needs to learn to be concise so I can ever catch up.
toNight and toMorrow are going to break this game open. Buckle up kids

[Azrael]

Haven't read this page. I think I missed a page a few back too. I don't see why I should claim. If kpaca wants to vig me, he can, but it's a mistake. He certainly should vig SOMEONE to clear himself, though I'm pretty sure it was just a gambit.

Notes:
I remembered something kpaca said that I think clears him in my mind regardless.
Az needs to learn to be concise so I can ever catch up.
toNight and toMorrow are going to break this game open. Buckle up kids

Kpaca said he has info that can either clear you as town or confirm you as scum, but only if you claim.

CLAIM. NOW.

[Azrael]

I'm pretty sure you're town, and I'm pretty sure you're committing suicide by not claiming immediately.

[hamfactorial]

I'm tired of waiting around and spamming smilies while replacements and prods are tracked down.

I will claim, then you all can decide whether you believe me or want to lynch me and see my role PM. Or maybe believe me and still want my role PM

In advance, I'm aware that I may look foolish after Az talked about not claiming being a death sentence. Whatever. He thinks I'm scum anyway, and I'm not trying to win him over.

I'm Batman, Master Builder. I have no special targeted abilities, but I can PM Stardust 3 inventions each day. I have expertise (see follow-up question below) in sneaky-related devices.

On D1 I submitted plans for a Lego bat bot that I can occupy. While in my bat bot, I can post, vote, and continue working on other devices normally. If I'm killed or lynched while inside my bot, I return to the game
the following day without bot protection.

That bot will be complete at the end of the day, and I've told Stardust to activate it should I live.

I've submitted 3 more inventions today.

1. A one-shot day device that gives the name of a random living townie and announces it in the thread.

2. A one-shot vote rigging device that lets my vote count twice during that day.

3. A bat cape extension that lets me hide another player at night to make them untargetable.

Stardust told me that each device takes 2 days to build.



@MoJo: what is the italicized keyword for your offensive weapon expertise? This will help clear you as town if your word matches mine.

I did a search in the thread and nobody has used the word yet. It's not in the sample role PM in the OP. Any other Master Builders should check their role PMs to see what the word is.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Haven't read this page. I think I missed a page a few back too. I don't see why I should claim. If kpaca wants to vig me, he can, but it's a mistake. He certainly should vig SOMEONE to clear himself, though I'm pretty sure it was just a gambit.

Notes:
I remembered something kpaca said that I think clears him in my mind regardless.
Az needs to learn to be concise so I can ever catch up.
toNight and toMorrow are going to break this game open. Buckle up kids

Kpaca said he has info that can either clear you as town or confirm you as scum, but only if you claim.

CLAIM. NOW.[
/quote]
This. Im not shooting anyone, including imopen, without an imopen claim.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Im not sure were supposed to claim italicizes role pms.

[hamfactorial]

@mod:

Is discussion of an ability's keyword allowed, as I've proposed above?

[Mogadishu Jones]

I mean best i can tell you is like I said, i'm adept at making offensive weapons. If i were getting a master builders masters degree from lego university, my focus would be in weapons.

[Stardust]

@mod:

Is discussion of an ability's keyword allowed, as I've proposed above?

Ability names can be shared.

[imopen2]

Whatever.

I'm Vitruvius, Master Builder.

I specialize in prophecy and the afterlife.

[imopen2]

There's no way I'm telling what inventions I submitted

[hamfactorial]

Alright MoJo, what's the word?

[Mogadishu Jones]

There's no way I'm telling what inventions I submitted

Well thats really what I need. Just say what it does in a round about way or something.

[Mogadishu Jones]

Alright MoJo, what's the word?

Was the college post too subtle?

[Mogadishu Jones]

I alrady told you what I specialize in.

[Azrael]

@MoJo: what is the italicized keyword for your offensive weapon expertise? This will help clear you as town if your word matches mine.

If you're doing what I think you're doing, that would help clear him as town (and by extension, you ) only if we assume all master builders are town.

If I were to indulge in flavor-gaming, Batman's probably the easiest of the masters builders for Stardust to organically write up as scum-aligned due to the love triangle in the movie. Weak stuff, but so is your not-so-subtly
trying to clear yourself based on proving knowledge of master builder PM formatting. I'd much rather grade you based purely on your behavior, than let you try to get the town to let you wriggle free based on role-based considerations and speculation.

[hamfactorial]

Ah, so Az is unconvinced. I am shocked!

Kill or lynch me if you like, I'm annoyed at the way this game is going so getting killed wouldn't ruin the experience. Or, if you're feeling froggy, kill me tomorrow and verify my role PM says town. I'll still be alive on D3, so you get a free "Az lead me astray" pass and we can move to more productive things.

If I'm actually scum, whoever blocked me last night can just do it again to prevent a NK and then string me up tomorrow

[imopen2]

There's no way I'm telling what inventions I submitted

Well thats really what I need. Just say what it does in a round about way or something.

like...did i miss something during my skim? do i have to actually read something more than that az has no idea how our town roles work?

Yeah, you missed the part where people take deep breaths and use logic to analyze things.

Occam's razor prefers the most simplistic solution. Your scenario requires me to:

1. Be scum on a team without builders.
2. Think that all the townies received conventional roles.
3. Miss reading the vanilla PM
4. Miss reading Kpaca talk about building things

"Being dumb", isn't a simple solution to explain it, it's a complicated clusterfuck requires four separate conditions to all be true. It's also completely out of character for me, as even Kpaca's admitted.

That's opposed to the simple explanation of a townie who mistook the guy who tried to counter-claim Kpaca as someone who *could* actually (and was trying to) counter-
claim Kpaca, by claiming to have a special affinity for vigging people.

This doesn't make you any less scum in my mind.
1. No, that's not a requirement of your slip. There could be scum that are builders and scum that are not, I would have no idea.
2. This is also not true. You could believe that some townies have conventional roles. The fact that you don't know how the roles work is the problem.
3. It wouldn't surprise me at all if you read the sample pm or missed the sample pm. Either way, you slipped and then backpedaled.
4. I doubt you missed what kpaca said, but that doesn't mean you understood it, or what DK said in response. DK was not "counter claiming" per say, he was questioning the speed at which kpaca claimed his day vig would be ready (a legitimate question that I asked myself when I read kpaca's claim).

I'll know soon enough whether you are lying or not, assuming kpaca doesn't end you first.

n

I already did (emphasis mine)

[Azrael]

There's no way I'm telling what inventions I submitted

Well thats really what I need. Just say what it does in a round about way or something.

like...did i miss something during my skim? do i have to actually read something more than that az has no idea how our town roles work?

Yeah, you missed the part where people take deep breaths and use logic to analyze things.

Occam's razor prefers the most simplistic solution. Your scenario requires me to:

1. Be scum on a team without builders.
2. Think that all the townies received conventional roles.
3. Miss reading the vanilla PM
4. Miss reading Kpaca talk about building things

"Being dumb", isn't a simple solution to explain it, it's a complicated clusterfuck requires four separate conditions to all be true. It's also completely out of character for me, as even Kpaca's admitted.

nThat's opposed to the simple explanation of a townie who mistook the guy who tried to counter-claim Kpaca as someone who *could* actually (and was trying to) counter-claim Kpaca, by claiming to have a special affinity for vigging people.

This doesn't make you any less scum in my mind.
1. No, that's not a requirement of your slip. There could be scum that are builders and scum that are not, I would have no idea.
2. This is also not true. You could believe that some townies have conventional roles. The fact that you don't know how the roles work is the problem.
3. It wouldn't surprise me at all if you read the sample pm or missed the sample pm. Either way, you slipped and then backpedaled.
4. I doubt you missed what kpaca said, but that doesn't mean you understood it, or what DK said in response. DK was not "counter claiming" per say, he was questioning the speed at which kpaca claimed his day vig would be ready (a legitimate question that I asked
myself when I read kpaca's claim).

I'll know soon enough whether you are lying or not, assuming kpaca doesn't end you first.

I already did (emphasis mine)

That's not very specific. Could be either cop or role investigation, could be completed, could be pending. Details.

[Mogadishu Jones]

I think he made himself bulletproof?

[Azrael]

I think he made himself bulletproof?

Actually, it kind of sounds like he's building a vig shot.

[rezombad]

I think he made himself bulletproof?

and what would that tell you?

[imopen2]

I don't see any reason why either of you need to know what I'm building. I'm town. You are giving the scum more information.