LEGO Movie Mafia - Game Over - Town Win

[Azrael]

why would i claim? that's absurd.

i think ham is town, still not sure about az. i definitely didn't like that "gambit"...felt more like backpedaling.

Backpedaling that I planned in advance via a quicktopic?

[Stardust]

Votecount!

Dechs Kaison (1): RedNihilist
hamfactorial (1): Azrael

Not voting: Dechs Kaison, hamfactorial, Lord_Mcdonalds, imopen2, Mogadishu Jones, rezombad

With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

[imopen2]

why would i claim? that's absurd.

i think ham is town, still not sure about az. i definitely didn't like that "gambit"...felt more like backpedaling.

Backpedaling that I planned in advance via a quicktopic?

So you say...I have no access to a quick topic so I would have no idea

[Azrael]

why would i claim? that's absurd.

i think ham is town, still not sure about az. i definitely didn't like that "gambit"...felt more like backpedaling.

Backpedaling that I planned in advance via a quicktopic?

So you say...I have no access to a quick topic so I would have no idea

The whole point of verification via quicktopic is that at some point, usually lylo,
the town can ask for the person who created the quick-topic to step forward and verify what I'm saying.

I know the person's identity. He/she doesn't want to step forward right now. IMO, wouldn't be a big deal if he/she did, doesn't really give up much role info, but w/e. At any rate, it would be a really dumb lie - if the town DID get really suspicious, they could demand the quick-topic person to step forward immediately, and if nobody does, they guarantee themselves an instant scum lynch.

[Azrael]

Little disturbed about the initial reaction to Ham. I'm not 100% sure he's scum, but if I'm right and he is, he is an EXTREMELY dangerous scum, very adept at manipulating the reactions of other players.

[hamfactorial]

Option 1: I'm a brilliant scum mastermind pulling the strings of every player but you in an effort to make you look bad.
Option 2: I'm town.

Which is more likely?

[Azrael]

Option 1: I'm a brilliant scum mastermind pulling the strings of every player but you in an effort to make you look bad.
Option 2: I'm town.

Which is more likely?

More like:

Option 1: Excellent scum, adept at emotional manipulation, or:
Option 2: Townie who's using either consciously or unconsciously emotional manipulation techniques all over the place, but can't seem to scum-hunt effectively or hold a townie scum-hunting mindset.

[Azrael]

Hell, you pulled my strings pretty well on Day 1, for that matter, and tried the same thing again at the start of the day.

[hamfactorial]

Your strings are easily pulled if I can manage it by accident.

[Azrael]

Your strings are easily pulled if I can manage it by accident.

Cute.

What are your reads on any and everyone?

You say you're a bad at reading people, but you've been one of the most active players in the entire game, and have repeatedly taken stances favoring certain players over others. That doesn't mesh up very well, in my eyes, with someone who doesn't have any reads at all.

So what ARE your reads?

[hamfactorial]

Town
Azrael - too risky to come after me as scum, would have picked a better target if he knew the town team
Dechs Kaison - could change after I re-read his "self-hammer"

Null
RedNihilist - leaning town after Az's D1 push and his suspicion of DK
imopen2 - leaning town mostly based on your read of him
rezombad - no idea
Lord_McDonalds - no idea
Mogadishu Jones - see below

Scum


I suspect the scum is in the null pile. MoJo will move up or down depending on his use of the claimed catapult today. I'm playing the waiting game to see what he'll do.

[Azrael]

In the event you're not scum, imopen, rez, and Lord mcdonalds would probably be at the top of my inquiry list.

Who's up for some lurker wagons? I don't see us making any progress at all today without forcibly dragging reads and posts out of those players, or else, their replacements.

[Azrael]

At this point, Imopen has just been so consistent in coming up with bad reasons to suspect people that I'm starting to wonder if it's something I should be concerned with.

[hamfactorial]

I love a good lurker wagon. Other than me, who do you suspect? 10/10 would vote.

[Dechs Kaison]

I love a good lurker wagon. Other than me, who do you suspect? 10/10 would vote.

I'd like to echo this sentiment.

[Azrael]

I think Lord McDonalds should speak up.

Vote: Lord McDonalds/b]

[Dechs Kaison]

Hey, I just realized that a daykill today could be used to unexpectedly lynch someone.

Right now we're at 8 people, 5 to lynch. Shooting someone brings it to 7 people, 4 to lynch. If MoJo shoots someone while we have a different someone at four votes, he could kill two birds with one stone.

Just something to keep in mind.

[hamfactorial]

That's true, I hadn't thought of a vig turning into a hammer. Very good, DK. I guess 3 is the new 4 until the vig shot goes off.

Vote LMD

[imopen2]

Or the person who comes forward to "confirm" your quick topic is just the third scum. I'm spitballing here but you keep presenting half the possibilities and it's not very townie of you.

[Dechs Kaison]

Vote LMD

Az needs to fix the brackets on his vote, but that makes three.

Lurkwagon in full force. Let's see what shakes out.

[Dechs Kaison]

Imopen, typically a communicator can invite someone new every night. If we don't have someone else say they're in on it tomorrow, then we can start to be suspicious. Right now, I read everything Az has done from a solid town mindset.

[Azrael]

Or the person who comes forward to "confirm" your quick topic is just the third scum. I'm spitballing here but you keep presenting half the possibilities and it's not very townie of you.

It's pretty unlikely we're up against 3 scum in a 9-man mini, per discussion on page 1, that's why I'm discounting it.

[Azrael]

Like, maybe we do have some kind of neutral, but we should only have one mafia member left.

[RedNihilist]

Hi MoJo, are you still with us?

Stardust, when will prod time start?

[Mcdonalds]

Oh yeah I'm playing this game

I think Lord McDonalds should speak up.

Vote: Lord McDonalds/b]

picks up mic

Hi

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Az vs Ham: My read on both are roughly the same, I feel Az maybe tunneling a bit on Ham, but Ham hasn't really pinged me so I haven't put much thought into it

@Imopen: I guess Jones is going to do something (he mentioned it anyway), my only question would be who do you suspect is scum ATM?

[Azrael]

Oh yeah I'm playing this game

I think Lord McDonalds should speak up.

Vote: Lord McDonalds/b]

picks up mic

Hi

drops mic
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Az vs Ham: My read on both are roughly the same, I feel Az maybe tunneling a bit on Ham, but Ham hasn't really pinged me so I haven't put much thought into it

@Imopen: I guess Jones is going to do something (he mentioned it anyway), my only question would be who do you suspect is scum ATM?

My only question would be who do you suspect is scum ATM?

And why.

[imopen2]

i don't have a strong candidate for scum. that doesn't mean there aren't some people who are acting suspiciously, but i'd rather not say how or else they might correct their behavior.

kpaca better kill me or work with me because he owes us some proof of his daykill invention.

i don't think 3 scum is beyond the realm of possibility, either. i think 2 scum and a neutral is a lot more likely, but i would not rule out 3 scum so quickly, az. we should be considering all the options we have.

[Azrael]

i don't have a strong candidate for scum. that doesn't mean there aren't some people who are acting suspiciously, but i'd rather not say how or else they might correct their behavior.

kpaca better kill me or work with me because he owes us some proof of his daykill invention.

i don't think 3 scum is beyond the realm of possibility, either. i think 2 scum and a neutral is a lot more likely, but i would not rule out 3 scum so quickly, az. we should be considering all the options we have.

This is another Imopen post that reads townish to me.

You really ought to say what you see in people, b/c a tell that isn't discussed is worthless to the town and generates no action or activity, and it makes it incredibly harder for us to
understand and assess your alignment if you don't share your reads and thoughts. Things like that are what make Kpaca want to smite you, and me unable to clear you.

[Stardust]

Stardust, when will prod time start?

I'll send out prods after 72 hours of inactivity.


Votecount!

Dechs Kaison (1): RedNihilist
hamfactorial (1): Azrael
Lord_Mcdonalds (2): hamfactorial, Dechs Kaison

Not voting: Lord_Mcdonalds, imopen2, Mogadishu Jones, rezombad

With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

[Azrael]

I would *love* to have enough people posting regularly and sufficiently so that I could find to tells most or all of the people who are town from consideration. Kind of like pulling teeth at the moment though. There's plenty of material from D1 up till now to work through, not much excuse for not having things to say.

[hamfactorial]

dat lurking doe

[rezombad]

ptap

[Azrael]

ptap

*Prods*

[Azrael]

*prods some more*

[imopen2]

idk, i tend to give my reads when it seems important. i don't agree that it always helps town more to share its ideas with the whole group. i've got a lot of null reads and some people acting suspiciously. the only person i'm pretty sure is town other than myself is ham, i think, but i'd need to read back to when i decided that to remember what it was that made me feel that way. kpaca is probably town but his gambit(?) seems to have fizzled. if it's not a gambit he should probably kill someone tho (me if he has to) to prove he's town. he's a better player than me when he tries so he's a bigger asset.

[RedNihilist]

I don't know about ham, honestly.
He's giving me the usual town vibes but he's doing so by using his usual formulas like "because reasons" (I started the RVS by voting him with the same statement for t3h lulz) or "come at me bro + smilie" and I can understand that resorting to them makes life easier for the scum who tries to act like his "usual" self.

Still, given that we got only so much scum left to hunt, I'm more troubled by the likes of DK.
And I'd really want to know what happened to MoJo.

[Azrael]

idk, i tend to give my reads when it seems important. i don't agree that it always helps town more to share its ideas with the whole group.

Playing mafia is kinda like religion. It's easy to *know* what you should and shouldn't do. Where it gets hard is maintaining and executing on that knowledge. Otherwise, experienced players would be uncatchable. But there's a thousand ways people can unconsciously slip, and it's tough to guard against every single one of them in every single post.

If you're not sharing ideas, you wind up being not just a non-entity who isn't helping the town, you become an active detriment to the town. You become a lynch target, and an unclearable role, and a drain on analysis resources and time. You become
camouflage for scum lurkers, contribute to inactivity, which leads to poor information overall and panicked deadline lynches.

Sharing's the most important thing you can do.

[hamfactorial]

Nothing is happening, where is MoJo? The catapult gambit (or real plan) hasn't been fruitful without him here to actually use it to pressure people.

[RedNihilist]

Hi DK, tell us something '-'

[Dechs Kaison]

Nothing is happening, where is MoJo? The catapult gambit (or real plan) hasn't been fruitful without him here to actually use it to pressure people.

Unvote
Vote MoJo

Shoot somebody. Anybody.