Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:46 pm
Hurrrrrrrrrr the website is being run like a piece of shit by the likes of admin Ria, why are people being mean and complaining huuuuuuuuur
Another Dead MTG Board
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You actually just said the words "If they are not constructive, infractions will be issued." This is the equivalent of "If they do this thing I don't like, I will stretch the rules to make sure they get an infraction."I didn't issue infractions for disagreements, you know. I issued infractions for spamming/trolling.
Shut up Minstrel show.Hurrrrrrrrrr the website is being run like a piece of shit by the likes of admin Ria, why are people being mean and complaining huuuuuuuuur
Actually you did, Sene. Accepting one's blame is part of reconciliation, wouldn't you agree? Not trying to jump down you're throat here, you understand, but things must take their natural course.I didn't issue infractions for disagreements, you know. I issued infractions for spamming/trolling.
Sounds perfectly reasonable and fair, you know how disagreements areIf they don't even try to be constructive, there will be infractions, and it will be the user's fault alone.You made it a drama storm by giving out trolling infractions when they publicly disagreed with your decision.
So yeah, that's where I stand here.
Dont make me bring the lawsuit up again.Shut up Minstrel show.Hurrrrrrrrrr the website is being run like a piece of shit by the likes of admin Ria, why are people being mean and complaining huuuuuuuuur
But isn't it possible that it is more stifling to infract instead of opening dialog to create an air of constructive criticism to (as Checkbox put it) draw out reasoning for why a user thinks something rather than immediately labeling him/her a troll and issuing him/her an infraction?If they don't even try to be constructive, there will be infractions, and it will be the user's fault alone.You made it a drama storm by giving out trolling infractions when they publicly disagreed with your decision.
So yeah, that's where I stand here.
Here have some attention minstrel show.Dont make me bring the lawsuit up again.Shut up Minstrel show.Hurrrrrrrrrr the website is being run like a piece of shit by the likes of admin Ria, why are people being mean and complaining huuuuuuuuur
Everyone knows you're in charge. Your authority isn't at issue. The wisdom of some of your decisions are at issue.I'll try to quickly explain what's up, mmkay.
The reason why the thread was closed (I talked with Galspanic) was because it was a question that was answered. Had it not been full of vitriol and passive aggressiveness, having it as a thread discussing that rule might have been useful, but it was drowned under trolling and spamming. Borderline stuff that was previously deemed okay in CI isn't necessarily considered okay anymore. We're doing stuff differently in that regard. Heck, in August the site felt so much in the hands of the users that I somehow felt compelled to plea to the users to stop being mean. So yeah, when CI threads are a mess of spamming/trolling/bullshit, then they are much more quickly closed now than in the past.
nAs for the RLA rules thing in particular, I expect we'll be talking about that... but in the Mod Lounge, sheltered from users who feel like making a drama storm over it. Had it been a reasonable discussion, CI would have been fine. But the policies we used to have in CI - they didn't work. We'd give up to people who yelling, and as expected, that meant they were yelling even louder next time. The users were too entitled. Now we're trying to make up for it by changing stuff for the better (in the making), make better & fairer rules, but also make it clear in CI that staff's in charge and won't be browbeaten into submission. That's going to be better for everyone, I think.
Indeed.Oh Sene I don't blame you fully for the fuck ups, you are the only one with balls to come here and talk so a tip of my hat for that
That I agree with (again, at times).Indeed.Oh Sene I don't blame you fully for the fuck ups, you are the only one with balls to come here and talk so a tip of my hat for that
But the system you're part of now is just terribly, terribly screwed up, at times.
blackhound, your previous nickname of "minstrel show" has been redacted. it is currently being changed to "helga pataki."
thank you for summiting with the staff of mtgcommunity. we appreciate your continued service and patronage here.
It is good to see that you have come to your senses, frankly I am suprized that the people running this website have not been issued a lawsuit yet. After all various members of this website have been involved/accused in the following over the past 6 months.
malicious attacks.
Death threats.
Doxing.
Hacking
Salvation and placing a virus there.
I also hear that said people are a bunch of "cowards and scumbags".
I will also except my new nickname of helga pataki, admins, please change my custom title to helga pataki.
Thankyou for you time and Patience in understanding.
Yours sincerly.
Blackhound
And yet you were the one who immediately silenced him for "trolling" (when actually he was just stating his opinion), rather than demanding something from the guy you are supposedly listening to?As for CI, I'm always one who's going to be willing to listen, but it also demands something from the other guy I'm listening to. I think this is true for all the other admins right now as well.
Then please tell us what those changes to make the forums less draconian and intimidating will be? In for a penny....That I agree with (again, at times).Indeed.Oh Sene I don't blame you fully for the fuck ups, you are the only one with balls to come here and talk so a tip of my hat for that
But the system you're part of now is just terribly, terribly screwed up, at times.
As for allusions to old times, 1st off, those weren't so bad, 2nd, we are (probably) making considerable changes,
good changes, I think, that will make the forum rules less draconian and intimidating. As for CI, I'm always one who's going to be willing to listen, but it also demands something from the other guy I'm listening to. I think this is true for all the other admins right now as well.
-Winnie the pooh, 2002You catch more flies with honey than vinegar, Sene.
I'm sorry, but there's no way that the first one was anything remotely close to spam or trolling. The second one, I fully agree with. But the first one? That one was no more spam than the Blade332 post I mentioned above. Yet you seemed awfully quick to jump on that one justCheckbox: You're referring to the Ral Zarek posts. The first one was a spam/troll combo (doing nothing but talk shit about Sally, and not really offering anything to the topic), the second one was pure troll, calling TCM Raymond Babbitt, who is of course the Rain Man and autistic. I don't care if you disagree with my opinion, but do it in a way that actually adds something to the discussion. He didn't. I'm actually surprised we're even discussing that, to be honest...
Really? It doesn't have an emotional impact on you? You're able to dismiss such arguments without having your heart get just a little harder? 'Cuz that happens to me.Kijin: I'll definitely listen to people who come at me respectfully with a complaint about a mod (and indeed about myself). But if it's gonna be all like HE/SHE IS TERRIBLE, STAFF IS CORRUPT blah blah, then I won't care about one word you say.
Option B is not how you offer a customer service. It is your job as the top of the food chain to get to the bottom of what a problem is and find a way to mediate or resolve it, which can include "oh this is a groundless statement and there is nothing that we can do." You cannot make that latter assumption, however, based solely on "Someone is saying something vitriolic without a wall of text underpinning what the source of this vitriol is or is related to." You need to tease it out ifKijin: I'll definitely listen to people who come at me respectfully with a complaint about a mod (and indeed about myself). But if it's gonna be all like HE/SHE IS TERRIBLE, STAFF IS CORRUPT blah blah, then I won't care about one word you say.
Your avatar is a welcome mediating force here, Kaitscralt. Please spam more.I'm scared, where is Boubs.
Because its BS and I don't want any community to sufferWhy in the world do you people care if MTGS Rules are too harsh?
Az, care to field this since you brought this up ITT?Why in the world do you people care if MTGS Rules are too harsh?
I know an awful lot of people who dealt with CI and the lounge from those times, including past and current staff, who would very much disagree with that assessment.
As for allusions to old times, 1st off, those weren't so bad,
A lot of those people aren't going to be moderating their tones until their bleak assessment of whether you're listening to him and appreciating his concerns changes, for theAs for CI, I'm always one who's going to be willing to listen, but it also demands something from the other guy I'm listening to. I think this is true for all the other admins right now as well.
It's just an instinctive response for me to want to intervene when I see other people around me getting a raw deal, I suppose. Especially whenAz, care to field this since you brought this up ITT?Why in the world do you people care if MTGS Rules are too harsh?
have you checked your avatar?I'm scared, where is Boubs.
Care to role-play? I can field this one well enough, I think, and Sene appears to have phased out again.
A lot of those people aren't going to be moderating their tones until their bleak assessment of whether you're listening to him and appreciating his concerns changes, for the better. Right now they're in a moderately dark and cynical place.
If you want to convert those cynics, waiting around for them to start being polite isn't a winning strategy. You have to give them a reason to change their bleak assessment of whether or not the staff are listening and open-minded - by listening and being open-minded when they come to you, angry or not.