Dies to Removal

As soon as I'm flipped town, someone PLEASE look into Zem.

I'm reading right now, and I thought that should be quite obvious.
With that said, just lynch me if you're that confidant I'm scum, what's the matter?

(reply intended to Z, of course)

You're reading but still posting useless filler. When you finish reading its time to help Town for once.

As for why don't I lynch you I still might. Your firmly I'm my scum pile but you're less scummy than Suga. You'll know when you actually read the thread.

Note to self: I don't like the way you went all fanboyish on Iso.

re: Scum.
My top read is STILL on WraithPie, so I'd prefer to lynch them since they're the most likely to be scum and killing scum is usually a good line of play, I've been told.

re: Suga
he's just acting like before getting lynched in Kaze's newb mafia and he turned townie there, did he turn scum in other recent games?

Also, I don't get this:

Also, CM is
probably scum because:

Actually... this could be interesting

If the ability is real (and he happens to be town, it could be a scum ability) we could always force a scummy player to post "I am a townie" and then we have a cop of sorts.

Droppin just has done nothing and doing nothing at almost 445 posts is bad.

This game has too much lurking and unactive players at the moment

This post is fucking bad.

'lets not lynch the biggest suspect so we can have a 'cop of sorts' if everyone posts I am town.'

The mafia already know who the town are.

I'm aware of that, it just might have been a good idea to lynch someone else scummy and see what the mafia do. You do realize I
never unvoted because I was still sure he was scum?

Iso's post has enlightened me to be happy with a ham lynch, Droppin or ham today will do fine.

Ok, I get it.

"Can only do at night" is a convenient way to not get lynched

Scum know who town is, so it'll be easy for him to pick a townie and say "this person's telling the truth!" at which point that person will say "by gollie, yes I am" and then scum get a convenient kill the next night.

I initially unvoted Suga because I didn't know what to make of the claim. Now I know what to make of it.

vote: DroppinSuga

Provided that Lie Detector is a REAL role and that there's really NOTHING that strange about the power working at night, this post smells.
Also, we could set Suga up on investigating something more useful than "I am town" sentences, so his point is pretty flawed as well.

hi

We should chat after the game Iso, I have much to learn (3rd game here). I'll address your comments to me in my next post, but for vision clarity, I will now extend my "willing to lynch pile" to:
- droppinSuga
- hamfactorial
- pie

In that order. Is there a reason not to lynch Suga first? If he flips scum, then ham is pretty much locked in as scum (he already looks very likely scum anyway). Thoughts?

I suppose.

In regards to being afraid to mislynch on Day 1, I'd say that's a pretty new-player mentality. It's probably a town point in your favor, actually. Addressing the concern in question, it's not necessarily a bad thing to mislynch on Day 1 because you can almost always unearth scum from Day 1 mislynch wagons. The way the votes flow is always a great way to determine who's scum based on flips. Push your reads with conviction! People say that short Day 1s are bad but I've been in games where Day 1 lasted over 1000 posts and it made me want to punch everyone in the game in the dick for not being more decisive. It's good for the health of the game and the town to make educated decisions quickly.

Glad you're open-minded about learning Mafiathings, though.

I'm ready to hammer Suga when everyone is ready. He is Scum guaranteed. As Iso mentioned, I had this Role in a previous game and my ability was a Day ability for balancing reasons. A Lie Detector, that can act at Night,
can then lie about any information that is given to him giving there faction a huge advantage.

InflatablePie is transparent as hell. We lynch him Tomorrow.

Yep.

As soon as I'm flipped town, someone PLEASE look into Zem.

Tell me why.

Note to self: I don't like the way you went all fanboyish on Iso.

I am pretty obviously town, and quite sexy, to boot.

DON'T LYNCH A FUCKING LIE DETECTOR CLAIM HOOOOLY SHIT

The fuck you mean by transparent btw?

And as a top scum-spect, you really think I'd practically refuse to offer content? Are you guys high?

What's my motivation for that? Or why would I defend Suga instead of voting him and buddying Z? Seriously.

DON'T LYNCH A FUCKING LIE DETECTOR CLAIM HOOOOLY SHIT

tell me why?

@ Red: never played with Suga before, so that insight is good. How about the rest of his posting? Similar or dissimilar? For me to not think he is scum, I would need to believe he is Town with no interest at all in helping Town. His behaviour hasn't been to help Town at all, thoughts?

Everytime I play with Suga it ends up like this.
Let me read things.

Tell us more.

Ham is in full lurk mode.

I feel confidant that Suga and Ham are scum. Happy to lynch either to move the game forward. Other suspects:
- Tubehunter (mod, prod please)
- Rednihilist
- Imopen2

You're all fucking dumb. Look good and hard at Zem and Cap.

But not Ham, who you're meant to be building a case on right? You're voting him remember

I'm ready to hammer Suga when everyone is ready. He is Scum guaranteed. As Iso mentioned, I had this Role in a previous game and my ability was a Day ability for balancing reasons. A Lie Detector, that can act at Night, can then lie about any information that is given to him giving there faction a huge advantage.

InflatablePie is transparent as hell. We lynch him Tomorrow.

You're waiting for our approval to vote?

Thoughts on anyone else imopen2?

I'm on some heavy painkillers the next few days so I will most likely be Yanni posting

Seriously though, we are lynching pie is droppin flips town and ham if he flips scum

WitchHunt would you support any lynches currently?

Ham has been my largest scum read at this time, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around Suga's ability. As Void touched upon we have no guarantees Suga will tell the truth, so I can get behind a Suga lynch.

Cool, we're in about the same place then.

Someone hammer then christ

Everytime I play with Suga it ends up like this.
Let me read things.

Tell us more.

I usually hate it when someone answers for someone else, but I'll just say a couple things about this.

1. In each game I've been in where Suga was town and lynched early (don't remember quantity, could have just been 1), he raged like he's doing now, called players on his wagon idiots, and gave specific names of who to look into.

2. Suga knows he's done this, so it really isn't a meta town tell.

DON'T LYNCH A FUCKING LIE DETECTOR CLAIM HOOOOLY SHIT

tell me why?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fndeDfaWCg

(because a) I have only seen that role as town and b) it's a claim we can test)

Seriously though, we are lynching pie is droppin flips town and ham if he flips scum

lol

btw, I'm town and rcw's scum.

^ if you guys could y'know, come to your senses and not lynch the claimed lie detector

btw, I'm town and rcw's scum.

At least half of this is wrong.

Hint: It's the half about me.

You think I'm scum for voting for Suga for the same reason 5 other people are voting for him?

I took my vote off him once he first claimed because I didn't know what to make of that claim. But then I realized how completely irrelevant that role is. Yeah, "if he's scum then he'll be scummy" is part of it, but the part that you're missing is that there's no way for us to know if he's scum or not. So there's no reason for us to trust his lie detector result. Which renders it completely useless, and I'm voting him because of his scummy posting.

If we knew we had a cop who could validate him, that'd be different. But
now's not the time for anybody else to out their PRs.

This game is dragging. It seems that most people want to lynch suga but no one is willing to hammer. I'll do it.

Vote: Suga

Let's see that flip so we can finally analyze some wagons

That's a lynch!

rezombad (Ephara) (1): RedNihilist
InflatablePie (Heliod) (2): TubeHunter, Void
DroppinSuga (Phenax) (7): zemanjaski, Captain Murphy, hamfactorial, rezombad, Iso, rcwraspy, imopen2 (L-0)
hamfactorial (Kruphix) (1): DroppinSuga
rcwraspy (Purphoros) (1): InflatablePie

Not voting: WitchHunt

The council of gods has decided. Phenax will be lynched. Twilight will last for 24 hours (you may continue to post).

Pie, it probably makes sense for you to explain why the lie detector claim can ever possibly be trusted before we get the flip.

Well, you've successfully lynched a townie. Good job guys!

and Suga, what specifically did you see in Z that raised your concerns on him?

I claimed without any nudge. I claimed a role that although odd, could be easily tested and he still felt the need to push. It's been pretty clear if you meta me that I don't do walls of text and I respond the same way to pressure when I'm town. I have also made it clear that I play with my gut and I think Zem needs to be investigated.

I asked for approval because I wasn't sure if more discussion was needed.

And as a top scum-spect, you really think I'd practically refuse to offer content? Are you guys high?

When did you actually refuse to provide content? I don't remember that.

I'm on some heavy painkillers the next few days so I will most likely be Yanni posting

Seriously though, we are lynching pie is droppin flips town and ham if he flips scum

I'm down, though I'd eventually like to lynch ham even if Suga is somehow town.

This game is dragging. It seems that most people want to lynch suga but no one is willing to hammer. I'll do it.

Vote: Suga

Let's see that flip so we can finally analyze some wagons

So, you plan to analyze some wagons? In that case, tell me who the scum on Suga's wagon are if he flips town and then if he flips scum.

Need to look at the sequence of events but off the top of my head I would say if suga is town then Zem is probably scum, maybe rcw. Ham is probaby scum regardless.

If suga is scum then I would need to look for bus votes, possibly you or Murphy.

However, like I said, I have to look at the sequence of votes again.

Suga IS town. So start to figuring.

If Suga is Town lynch Pie.

If Suga is Scum lynch Ham.

If Suga is Town he should be ashamed of his play.

Mmh, so no test on his ability.
Too bad, it would have been interesting.
Let's see what alignment does he flip then.

Suga is not ashamed. Suga plays the same way every game.