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Postby LP, of the Fires » Fri May 10, 2013 12:18 am

It's still fairly expensive. 50 dollars to be precise. RAV sells for like 15 a pack at my store. It still sounds like amazing fun.
You gotta understand, I love the beatdown. I really do. I always have.

Beatdown is hard, though.


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Postby redthirst » Fri May 10, 2013 12:21 am

Wait, did Redthirst just give Kaze the recipe to giant dong just in time for his wedding night?!?
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Postby lorddax » Fri May 10, 2013 12:24 am

He did. Cept it's the alchemical recipe for hard casting Dong of Dudeliness with the Cock of the Infinte kicker.

I put on my robe and wizard hat.

And now I suspect one of you mofo was bloodninja. Now there's a Internet dong legend
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Postby hamfactorial » Fri May 10, 2013 12:27 am

Of course. Once you get to the center of the maze you find the mythical elixir of guilds, a concoction so powerful that would render the guildpact asunder. Niv-Mizzet has timed the maze perfectly so that when someone gets to the center, he/she would discover the elixir at precisely the dawn of the seventh moon. The elixir contains:
Elixir of Guilds
1 raw egg
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Postby TubeHunter » Fri May 10, 2013 1:37 am

Well shit, no amount of witty sayings can overcome this.....
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Postby Alex » Fri May 10, 2013 1:42 am

Yep, thread's over. Thanks Sasky.

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Postby Christen » Fri May 10, 2013 3:09 am

I should try and get myself back some Falkenrath Aristocrats. I miss playing Dos Rakis.
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Postby TubeHunter » Fri May 10, 2013 3:59 am

I should try and get myself back some Falkenrath Aristocrats. I miss playing Dos Rakis.
Agreed. Would like to pick up some myself.
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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Fri May 10, 2013 4:11 am

While on the subject of pro-players not being that much better than everyone else, I was watching Tom Martell's stream recently. For someone who is considered to be amongst the greatest players in the world, he makes a lot of noob mistakes, misplays and math mistakes when he streams. Does he just not give a fuck unless it's a pro tour? There were lots of times I though, yup, wouldn't have done that, then it bites him, then he admits it was a misplay. Not sure why I paid to watch this. Will likely not renew my scg premium.

Also Part 3 of the secretist will be released on 05/18 for those wondering about the maze.

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Postby zemanjaski » Fri May 10, 2013 4:25 am

Martell is actually a good pro. Now think about all those who are 'pro' because they're high school or college drop outs with no employment opportunities beyond retail/services. The pedastel these players are often put on is not commensurate to their ability; think how much better you might be if you had unlimited play testing time...
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Postby Alex » Fri May 10, 2013 4:28 am

While on the subject of pro-players not being that much better than everyone else, I was watching Tom Martell's stream recently. For someone who is considered to be amongst the greatest players in the world, he makes a lot of noob mistakes, misplays and math mistakes when he streams. Does he just not give a fuck unless it's a pro tour? There were lots of times I though, yup, wouldn't have done that, then it bites him, then he admits it was a misplay. Not sure why I paid to watch this. Will likely not renew my scg premium.

Also Part 3 of the secretist will be released on 05/18 for those wondering about the maze.
I misplay all the time when I'm not giving 100% attention to the game. I did it this morning while playing pauper. Missed a line that
would have won me a game because I was playing the conservative line.

SCG premium streams are kind of lame, you can seriously just go to Twitch and find any random player (I suggest James, obviously) and watch the same quality of play. Or watch any of the Channel Fireball video archives. I particularly enjoy watching Caleb Durward and LSV's channels.

Tom plays well when it counts, and that's what matters.

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Postby Alex » Fri May 10, 2013 4:31 am

Martell is actually a good pro. Now think about all those who are 'pro' because they're high school or college drop outs with no employment opportunities beyond retail/services. The pedastel these players are often put on is not commensurate to their ability; think how much better you might be if you had unlimited play testing time...
That's the nice thing about professional Magic. Your background doesn't really matter. Patrick Chapin is the literal prime example of this. I mean, the dude was sent to prison right at the start of his Magic career, came back and was still a beast. And since his return, he's done more for the community than Mike Flores' ego has done for his delusion of self-importance.

Depending on how things look in Theros, I
may very well be making a HUGE push in the Magic scene in the coming year. (I've been saving money so that I can chase pro points around the US.) And I'd like to think that people won't judge me for my past if I end up doing well; not that they could, my past is awesome, but I digress.

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Postby Kazekirimaru » Fri May 10, 2013 4:48 am

Depending on how things look in Theros, I may very well be making a HUGE push in the Magic scene in the coming year. (I've been saving money so that I can chase pro points around the US.) And I'd like to think that people won't judge me for my past if I end up doing well; not that they could, my past is awesome, but I digress.
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Postby Lightning_Dolt » Fri May 10, 2013 4:57 am

While on the subject of pro-players not being that much better than everyone else, I was watching Tom Martell's stream recently. For someone who is considered to be amongst the greatest players in the world, he makes a lot of noob mistakes, misplays and math mistakes when he streams. Does he just not give a fuck unless it's a pro tour? There were lots of times I though, yup, wouldn't have done that, then it bites him, then he admits it was a misplay. Not sure why I paid to watch this. Will likely not renew my scg premium.

Also Part 3 of the secretist will be released on 05/18 for those wondering
about the maze.
I misplay all the time when I'm not giving 100% attention to the game. I did it this morning while playing pauper. Missed a line that would have won me a game because I was playing the conservative line.

SCG premium streams are kind of lame, you can seriously just go to Twitch and find any random player (I suggest James, obviously) and watch the same quality of play. Or watch any of the Channel Fireball video archives. I particularly enjoy watching Caleb Durward and LSV's channel.


Tom plays well when it counts, and that's what matters.
I agree, Z's streams are on par with any pro.

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Postby LP, of the Fires » Fri May 10, 2013 5:06 am

My question is how do the pseudo pros support themselves. The actual good pros usually have stuff going for them. LSV's and Kibler are in game design, Josh Utter-Laytens a software engineer, Martel and Gaudenis are Lawyers and Finkels a baller. But like, wtf do Chapin and GerryT do aside from magic? They're obviously not psudeo pros, but I still wonder where there income comes from.

As for the AJ Sachers, Todd Andersons, etc. of the world...
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Postby Sasky » Fri May 10, 2013 5:11 am

Writing. Appearing for SCG events. Prostitution etc.
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Postby zemanjaski » Fri May 10, 2013 5:12 am

Playing some legacy this weekend:

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2 Children of Korlis
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4 Griselbrand

4 Brainstorm
3 Cabal Therapy
4 Dark Ritual
4 Entomb
3 Goryo's Vengeance
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1 Tendril's of Agony
4 Thoughtseize

2 Chrome Mox
4 Lotus Petal

4 Flooded Strand
2 Island
4 Polluted Delta
1 Swamp
3 Underground Sea[/deck]

Need to figure out a SB still.

@ LP; I imagine some of them work at gamestores (eg: MJ and Chapin) or in services or they write. MJ is pretty honest about his financial position; he gets by but he has no savings and has very little money for non-essentials etc.
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Postby lorddax » Fri May 10, 2013 5:22 am

Wtf Z? Islands really? Tho shalt not blaspheme!

Lol

I remembered when I played islands in a legacy tournament. I register 60 islands. The rest of the day was hilarious to watch people's faces as they tried to figure out my deck. I would even mulligan. Was so worth the entry fee and screwing up the entire tourney with free wins.
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Postby LP, of the Fires » Fri May 10, 2013 5:32 am

GOGO TIN FINS. Gotta love turn 2 combo decks :D
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Beatdown is hard, though.


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Postby Alex » Fri May 10, 2013 5:41 am

My question is how do the pseudo pros support themselves. The actual good pros usually have stuff going for them. LSV's and Kibler are in game design, Josh Utter-Laytens a software engineer, Martel and Gaudenis are Lawyers and Finkels a baller. But like, wtf do Chapin and GerryT do aside from magic? They're obviously not psudeo pros, but I still wonder where there income comes from.

As for the AJ Sachers, Todd Andersons, etc. of the world...
Once you get to platinum, all you really need to do is play consistently well. Appearance fees for any GP is baseline $300, and you have the potential to cash out for more. Pro tours are like $2800 and it doesn't cost you a dime to show up.

Ali Aintrazi and I had this conversation a few weeks ago and
we did the math. There's a pro tour every 4 months on average. (Soon to be more thanks to the addition of core set PTs) and $2800 to live around here would be an easy living. He pays like $600/m on his rent, so just working part time and playing in every pro tour would be enough to live comfortably.

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Postby Kazekirimaru » Fri May 10, 2013 6:15 am

I remembered when I played islands in a legacy tournament. I register 60 islands. The rest of the day was hilarious to watch people's faces as they tried to figure out my deck. I would even mulligan. Was so worth the entry fee and screwing up the entire tourney with free wins.
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Postby windstrider » Fri May 10, 2013 6:39 am

Over on Sally, I want to start screaming "But Mono-Red doesn't splash for anything! That's why it's Mono-Red!"
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Postby zemanjaski » Fri May 10, 2013 6:45 am

One thing to remember is that the america-centric nature of wotc coverage means that not only do US based players get support and opportunity disproportionate to their ability, but they get way more attention from the player base (and thus earning opportunities) as well. This isn't griping, it's just fact. Even if I wanted to, I can't travel to 8 plus GPs a year because there just aren't that many easily available (there's 4 if I don't mind playing sealed twice, which I do).
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Postby Alex » Fri May 10, 2013 6:57 am

One thing to remember is that the america-centric nature of wotc coverage means that not only do US based players get support and opportunity disproportionate to their ability, but they get way more attention from the player base (and thus earning opportunities) as well. This isn't griping, it's just fact. Even if I wanted to, I can't travel to 8 plus GPs a year because there just aren't that many easily available (there's 4 if I don't mind playing sealed twice, which I do).
They've been getting a lot better at a pretty fast pace, though. Central Europe also has a really big scene, it always has.

I wouldn't be shocked to see them start doing regional pro tours in the foreseeable future, making the World Cup into less of an invitational and
more of a "top 8 top 8," if you will.

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Postby Link » Fri May 10, 2013 7:09 am

4-0 tonight at standard with R/g. Maybe its just because of how comfortable I am with my deck now (I seriously can feel when shuffling if there's 61+ cards in the deck, its scary), but I still feel its pretty well positioned. I beat a Bant flash deck 2-1, Naya and Aristocrats are still pretty much a freakin bye, though did not see the new BUG build floating around. I'd imagine R/b is a bit stronger in closing out games and the burn deck is more fun to pilot, but I can't say I'm unhappy with R/g in the current meta either (until I face Junkrites /w Fiendhunter.dec...dear god no)

I looked at the BUG list, what part of that deck is giving you trouble? Simic charm seems much less scary than Azo, young wolf+Zameck guild mage is pretty durdly (especially since I'm not playing LM so only my nobles will ever actually die to Wolf#1) plus I run 4 pillars in the 75. I guess I can see how the angles it comes at you could be hard to
handle, but its still a 3-color "aggro" deck in my mind.

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Postby zemanjaski » Fri May 10, 2013 7:21 am

The BUG deck is pretty bad.
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Postby LP, of the Fires » Fri May 10, 2013 7:25 am

Does far//away and warped physique make esper less terrible? I'm testing those and syncopates(cause acidic slime and sin collecters are brutal) and the deck looks like it might actually be reasonable so long as you go base superfriends and can actually race people.
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Postby Sasky » Fri May 10, 2013 7:55 am

Both give esper very good tools for combating some of the faster decks, which was esper's biggest issue.

I still don't really understand why people (in other places) are whining about the death of control? Esper is still a great deck. It's not placing because people are not trusting it enough and/or playing it properly.
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Postby Calamity » Fri May 10, 2013 8:03 am

People that play primarily control tend to be entitled whiners. In standard at least.

I mean if you were playing an archetype that was on top for ever that was exclusive to the best and brightest magic has to offer and suddenly you're losing you'd be mad too
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Postby zemanjaski » Fri May 10, 2013 8:03 am

Esper is bad because most of the players playing it, ARE BAD. Seriously, playing control for the last few years has been easy-mode because of the disproportional power of the blue cards in the format ~ now they're on an even playing field and it is too difficult. Hilarious.

Can you imagine what Koth would do in this format?
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Postby redthirst » Fri May 10, 2013 10:18 am

Turn a Mountain into a 4/4 Creature a lot?
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Postby Alex » Fri May 10, 2013 10:19 am

Can you imagine what Koth would do in this format?
Basically the same thing Domri Rade is already doing.

"Islands? *Extends hand.*"

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Postby windstrider » Fri May 10, 2013 12:42 pm

'morning, gents.

I go to court this morning to finally settle the custody issue with my ex wife. Hopefully, this brings 15 years of crap with her to a close since I'm asking for, and will likely receive, sole physical and legal custody of our daughter. For the first time, my daughter has to be there, but we're trying to keep her out of it by hiding her in the GaL's office across the street. I don't think she's prepared to face her mom. As for me, I'm just tired of it all: the lies, the stupidity, the wasted money, etc. This has been "a tale [t]old by an idiot, full of sound and fury, ignifying nothing."
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Postby redthirst » Fri May 10, 2013 2:08 pm

Good luck windstrider.
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redthirst is redthirst, fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. He was the leader of the Fires of Salvation, the only clan I'm aware of to get modded off the forums so hard they made their own forums.

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Postby Khaospawn » Fri May 10, 2013 3:00 pm

Good luck, buddy. Hope the system kicks her right in the pussy!
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Postby Valdarith » Fri May 10, 2013 3:14 pm

'morning, gents.

I go to court this morning to finally settle the custody issue with my ex wife. Hopefully, this brings 15 years of crap with her to a close since I'm asking for, and will likely receive, sole physical and legal custody of our daughter. For the first time, my daughter has to be there, but we're trying to keep her out of it by hiding her in the GaL's office across the street. I don't think she's prepared to face her mom. As for me, I'm just tired of it all: the lies, the stupidity, the wasted money, etc. This has been "a tale [t]old by an idiot, full of sound and fury, ignifying nothing."


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Postby rcwraspy » Fri May 10, 2013 3:21 pm

Good luck today, Windstrider. Hopefully if your daughter does have to show up it's over quickly. I imagine in a custody hearing if the child is visibly terrified of one of the parents it's a pretty big clue. At least I'd hope it would be.

I had an interesting night last night. I attribute it to being on day 11 of the Ham Challenge.

So as I've mentioned, I've been accepted into a graduate program for a combo JD/MBA degree. Last night there was a mixer for the MBA students.

This was the first time I've ever noticed all the attractive women's eyes following me wherever I went in the room. Seriously. I could have trolled that place for so much pussy last night.

I spoke to the dean who asked me what year I'm headed in to. I said first. She said "oh, you don't need to be here, JD/MBA students don't take their first MBA class until the 2nd or 3rd year." Ok... but you invited me? I had shit to
do so I started to leave.

I grab my coat from the closet and all of a sudden I hear...

"Oh, you're leaving so soon?"

"Unfortunately yes." Then I turned to look at who said that. OMFG. Literally the most beautiful woman I've ever come face to face with. Redheaded, or maybe brunette died red, I couldn't tell. Light blue eyes. Banging body in a little black dress.

"But I could be persuaded otherwise" I said with a smile. I can't believe I said that shit. I'm married.

"Oh?" she says, stepping closer, looking up at me, and cocking an eyebrow.

It was at this point that my wife's face flashed in my mind, and I politely excused myself and left.

I can't help thinking that I made both the best and worst decision of my life.
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Postby photodyer » Fri May 10, 2013 3:24 pm

Good morning, clansmen!

Sorry that I've been pretty much absent lately, but I've been completely in gear-up mode for Spectrum Art Live 2 which hits here next week. Final count looks like 173 exhibitors--the vast majority artists--including 37 with MtG cards to their credit. I've been chatting with the attendee organizer/contact and am going to do some sideline photo work for them during the event, so I'm working up ins to some cool sidebar stuff. I am a total art geek, so this whole thing has me running around with constant nerd wood. Some of these guys have over 100 cards under their belts, so I'm fretting over what to take to get signed and such. I mean, what they hell do you ask Steve Argyle to sign? I could hand him a whole decks worth of cards. Same with Dan Scott, Jason Felix, Belledin, Reyonds, Post and others. It's a fantasy art fan's wet dream, seriously.

The other big thing is books...major cover
artists abound. My second-oldest nephew runs a Half-Price Books here locally, so we had lunch yesterday and I picked up copies of Brom's books to get signed. My big hope is a major call back to childhood...I hope to have Michael Whelan sign all my original Elric TPB's and Dragonriders of Pern trilogy books.

The boy and I may hit FNM tonight, but damned if I'm sure what I want to play. There's also a win-a-box tourney on Saturday, so I guess I should get something up to speed! I may just get goofy and troll the room with a Varlolz /Troll deck...I just don't know.

@Kaze - belated best wishes to you regarding the pending nuptials, good sir. Just remember that for all the pomp and bluster, the wedding is just one day in your life. Relax as best you can, and take every opportunity throughout the day to make your bride feel like she's queen of the world. Wives either look back at their wedding fondly or as ammunition for arguments for years to come...make your every choice through the day
accordingly.
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Postby TubeHunter » Fri May 10, 2013 3:48 pm

Playing some legacy this weekend:


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<TD>2 Children of Korlis
1 <A href="http://deckbox.org/mtg/Emrakul, the Aeons Torn">Emrakul, the Aeons Torn</A>
4 <A href="http://deckbox.org/mtg/Griselbrand">Griselbrand</A>
4 <A href="http://deckbox.org/mtg/Brainstorm">Brainstorm</A>
3 <A href="http://deckbox.org/mtg/Cabal Therapy">Cabal Therapy</A>
4 <A href="http://deckbox.org/mtg/Dark Ritual">Dark Ritual</A>
4 <A href="http://deckbox.org/mtg/Entomb">Entomb</A>
3 <A href="http://deckbox.org/mtg/Goryo's Vengeance">Goryo's Vengeance</A>
4 <A href="http://deckbox.org/mtg/Ponder">Ponder</A>
2 <A href="http://deckbox.org/mtg/Reanimate">Reanimate</A>
4 <A href="
http://deckbox.org/mtg/Shallow Grave">Shallow Grave</A>
1 <A href="http://deckbox.org/mtg/Tendril's of Agony">Tendril's of Agony</A>
4 <A href="http://deckbox.org/mtg/Thoughtseize">Thoughtseize</A>
2 <A href="http://deckbox.org/mtg/Chrome Mox">Chrome Mox</A>
4 <A href="http://deckbox.org/mtg/Lotus Petal">Lotus Petal</A>
4 <A href="http://deckbox.org/mtg/Flooded Strand">Flooded Strand</A>
2 <A href="http://deckbox.org/mtg/Island">Island</A>
4 <A href="http://deckbox.org/mtg/Polluted Delta">Polluted Delta</A>
1 <A href="http://deckbox.org/mtg/Swamp">Swamp</A>
3 <A href="http://deckbox.org/mtg/Underground Sea</td></tr></table>">Underground Sea</A></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></A>

Need to figure out a SB still.

@ LP; I imagine some of them
work at gamestores (eg: MJ and Chapin) or in services or they write. MJ is pretty honest about his financial position; he gets by but he has no savings and has very little money for non-essentials etc.
Yeah Tin FIns! My favorite Legacy deck of all time! Have you been playing it for a while
As for a SB.... My MD is a bit different than yours, but here is a general SB

2 Pithing Needle
2 Chain of Vapor
2 Pull from Eternity
2 Massacre
2 Surgical Extration
3 Silence
2 Serenity

Note: I don't personally like the 1 Bayou 2-3 Abrupt Decay board plan, but I've heard a lot of players swear by it, so take it what you will.
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Postby redthirst » Fri May 10, 2013 4:23 pm

Slow day...

So, TH, Secks done any trolling lately?
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Originally posted by Dechs Kaison on MTGS
redthirst is redthirst, fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. He was the leader of the Fires of Salvation, the only clan I'm aware of to get modded off the forums so hard they made their own forums.

Degenerate? Sure. Loudmouth? You bet. Law abiding? No ****ing way.

Great guy to have around? Hell yes.
I love the D...


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