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Postby TubeHunter » Mon May 06, 2013 2:51 pm

Only bad thing about last week was that I couln't be there to fence off my pair of voice of resurgence. 40.00.. Sounds like too much.. wish I could've been there, no way it stays 40.
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Postby hamfactorial » Mon May 06, 2013 4:06 pm

I love the smell of speculative bubbles in the morning.

This reminds me of the weekend where Wolfir Silverheart was a $20 card.

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Postby redthirst » Mon May 06, 2013 4:11 pm

I think Voice will likely drop some, but not below $20-ish... maybe as low as $15. It's a Mythic with a good ability and no real weakness, but it's not a $40 card IMO.

Also, bocephus may actually be retarded. He's arguing that average citizens should have unrestricted freedom to buy nuclear bombs...
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Postby redthirst » Mon May 06, 2013 4:16 pm

I mean, I'm a pro-gun nutcase too, but I don't want anyone with access to an extra million or so to have the ability to drive a U-Haul with a nuke in the back into downtown NYC.
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Originally posted by Dechs Kaison on MTGS
redthirst is redthirst, fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. He was the leader of the Fires of Salvation, the only clan I'm aware of to get modded off the forums so hard they made their own forums.

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I love the D...

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Postby Valdarith » Mon May 06, 2013 4:44 pm

I've always felt like Sire was a good card, especially in this meta. If he resolves against Sphinx's Revalation.dec, consider the game over. A 6/4 body AND everyone discards to 0? Really good.
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Postby LP, of the Fires » Mon May 06, 2013 5:03 pm

Sire suddenly makes me less high on Junk Reanimator now that I've thought of the matchup more. Before I was comfortable enough with it, but now...ground seal plus sire is a HUGE beating. I think Naya blitz suddenly becomes a lot better though since that is junds worse matchup in all of my testing.

Welp, looks like I may be playing 4 maindeck slimes going forward.
You gotta understand, I love the beatdown. I really do. I always have.

Beatdown is hard, though.


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Postby redthirst » Mon May 06, 2013 5:08 pm

Acidic Slime into Sire...

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
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Originally posted by Dechs Kaison on MTGS
redthirst is redthirst, fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. He was the leader of the Fires of Salvation, the only clan I'm aware of to get modded off the forums so hard they made their own forums.

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Postby LP, of the Fires » Mon May 06, 2013 5:20 pm

I was actually really looking forward to heartless summoning, Sire, faithless looting, and unburial rites in Dega Reanimator control...then I remembered that heartless summoning means I can't play lingering souls.
You gotta understand, I love the beatdown. I really do. I always have.

Beatdown is hard, though.


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Postby Valdarith » Mon May 06, 2013 5:39 pm

Started thinking about a Boros Sledgehammer list last night. Am I crazy?

[deck]Creatures (27)
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Stonewright
4 Ash Zealot
3 Gore-House Chainwalker
2 Pyreheart Wolf
4 Restoration Angel
3 Hound of Griselbrand
3 Zealous Conscripts

Spells (9)
4 Searing Spear
3 Mizzium Mortars
2 Boros Charm

Lands (24)
2 Slayers' Stronghold
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Clifftop Retreat
1 Boros Guildgate
1 Plains
12 Mountain

Sideboard (15)
3 Boros Reckoner
1 Hound of Griselbrand
3 Pillar of Flame
1 Mizzium Mortars
2 Frostburn Weird
1 Boros Charm
3 Flames of the Firebrand[/deck]
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Postby hamfactorial » Mon May 06, 2013 5:59 pm

Alex why you so fancy?

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Postby Valdarith » Mon May 06, 2013 6:02 pm

...and yet my deck is vastly different.

Any comments?
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Postby redthirst » Mon May 06, 2013 6:04 pm

Well, you know Alex can't not be contradictory and condescending - it's his nature.
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Originally posted by Dechs Kaison on MTGS
redthirst is redthirst, fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. He was the leader of the Fires of Salvation, the only clan I'm aware of to get modded off the forums so hard they made their own forums.

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Postby hamfactorial » Mon May 06, 2013 6:10 pm

I have Sacred Foundry in my burn deck, therefore you're copying me.

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Postby Valdarith » Mon May 06, 2013 6:11 pm

Well, you know Alex can't not be contradictory and condescending - it's his nature.
I recognized that and filed it under the "bless his little heart" portion of my brain and responded accordingly. :angel:
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Postby redthirst » Mon May 06, 2013 6:14 pm

Yeah, it's one of those things you have to take your joy from when it's directed at people you don't like and take with a grain of salt when it's - inevitably - directed back at you.
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Originally posted by Dechs Kaison on MTGS
redthirst is redthirst, fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. He was the leader of the Fires of Salvation, the only clan I'm aware of to get modded off the forums so hard they made their own forums.

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Postby Valdarith » Mon May 06, 2013 6:15 pm

Yeah, it's one of those things you have to take your joy from when it's directed at people you don't like and take with a grain of salt when it's - inevitably - directed back at you.
Indeed. It's the Southern way.
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Postby redthirst » Mon May 06, 2013 6:16 pm

Quite.

Might I interest you in a Mint Julep out on the veranda? It's perfect weather for one.
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Originally posted by Dechs Kaison on MTGS
redthirst is redthirst, fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. He was the leader of the Fires of Salvation, the only clan I'm aware of to get modded off the forums so hard they made their own forums.

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Postby Valdarith » Mon May 06, 2013 6:21 pm

Whiskey and coke, please. The weather is a bit nippy for Mint Julep after this cold front.
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Postby redthirst » Mon May 06, 2013 6:25 pm

Is it now?

It's about mid 70's here - what I would consider lower end (but still very nice) Julep weather.
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Originally posted by Dechs Kaison on MTGS
redthirst is redthirst, fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. He was the leader of the Fires of Salvation, the only clan I'm aware of to get modded off the forums so hard they made their own forums.

Degenerate? Sure. Loudmouth? You bet. Law abiding? No ****ing way.

Great guy to have around? Hell yes.
I love the D...

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Postby Alex » Mon May 06, 2013 6:30 pm

...and yet my deck is vastly different.

Any comments?
They aim to do exactly the same thing. I'm not being condescending at all; my intention was "Hey look I did that already, here is a place for some ideas!"

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Postby redthirst » Mon May 06, 2013 6:31 pm

It's cute when he tries to be nice...
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Originally posted by Dechs Kaison on MTGS
redthirst is redthirst, fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. He was the leader of the Fires of Salvation, the only clan I'm aware of to get modded off the forums so hard they made their own forums.

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Great guy to have around? Hell yes.
I love the D...

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Postby Valdarith » Mon May 06, 2013 6:41 pm

...and yet my deck is vastly different.

Any comments?
They aim to do exactly the same thing. I'm not being condescending at all; my intention was "Hey look I did that already, here is a place for some ideas!"
I will say that your deck was running in my head
as I built mine, but I wanted to be less reliant on Hellrider, tokens, etc and maximize synergy with Restoration Angel. I like that I can use Angel to pull counters off my undying creatures or flicker Conscripts (which is why I run three instead of two like in your list). I also maindeck three Mizzium Mortars and no Boros Reckoner or Nearheath Pilgrim.

So yeah, I guess they aim to do the same thing, they just do it a lot differently. Which one is better for the meta? I don't know. I guess it comes down to Hellrider vs Hound really.
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Postby Valdarith » Mon May 06, 2013 6:42 pm

Is it now?

It's about mid 70's here - what I would consider lower end (but still very nice) Julep weather.
67 here in LA (lower Alabama).
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Postby LP, of the Fires » Mon May 06, 2013 7:20 pm

It's actually raining here in actual LA(los angeles) so everyones probably terrified while driving. I swear, Californians drive better then everyone else in all the states I've been to, but I still find it laughable that they can't do anything in the rain. Good thing it's always sunny here :eye roll:
You gotta understand, I love the beatdown. I really do. I always have.

Beatdown is hard, though.


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Postby TubeHunter » Mon May 06, 2013 7:53 pm

Well, explosive should be legal for people to buy. Foolproof idea. No way that one could go wrong.
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Postby redthirst » Mon May 06, 2013 8:00 pm

Not just explosives - nukes.

Completely legal to buy as long as you've got the cash.

How could that possibly go wrong?
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Originally posted by Dechs Kaison on MTGS
redthirst is redthirst, fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. He was the leader of the Fires of Salvation, the only clan I'm aware of to get modded off the forums so hard they made their own forums.

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I love the D...

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Postby TubeHunter » Mon May 06, 2013 8:10 pm

Not just explosives - nukes.

Completely legal to buy as long as you've got the cash.

How could that possibly go wrong?
You could say that it would probably...




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Postby redthirst » Mon May 06, 2013 8:11 pm

There was also the guy who tried to say I was arguing about passing out free guns to mentally ill people because I said "I don't think we should give guns to violently mentally ill people, either".

It's like these people are either "no guns for anyone" or "unrestricted weapons of any kind for everyone" with absolutely no middle ground. Where are the people with opinions on the subject that aren't either incredibly naive hippies or crazy as hell anarchist?

:iiam:
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Originally posted by Dechs Kaison on MTGS
redthirst is redthirst, fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. He was the leader of the Fires of Salvation, the only clan I'm aware of to get modded off the forums so hard they made their own forums.

Degenerate? Sure. Loudmouth? You bet. Law abiding? No ****ing way.

Great guy to have around? Hell yes.
I love the D...

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Postby LP, of the Fires » Mon May 06, 2013 8:13 pm

Posting on sally, because midrange players need guidance on how to properly play there decks >_>

@redthirst: Also yes.
You gotta understand, I love the beatdown. I really do. I always have.

Beatdown is hard, though.


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Postby Valdarith » Mon May 06, 2013 8:17 pm

There was also the guy who tried to say I was arguing about passing out free guns to mentally ill people because I said "I don't think we should give guns to violently mentally ill people, either".

It's like these people are either "no guns for anyone" or "unrestricted weapons of any kind for everyone" with absolutely no middle ground. Where are the people with opinions on the subject that aren't either incredibly naive hippies or crazy as hell anarchist?

:iiam:
Because those with the intellect to take a non-extremist stance are smart enough to not argue with stupid people.
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Postby redthirst » Mon May 06, 2013 8:17 pm

@redthirst: Also yes.
I'm going to just assume this means you agree with everything I've posted so far today.
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Originally posted by Dechs Kaison on MTGS
redthirst is redthirst, fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. He was the leader of the Fires of Salvation, the only clan I'm aware of to get modded off the forums so hard they made their own forums.

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Great guy to have around? Hell yes.
I love the D...

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Postby redthirst » Mon May 06, 2013 8:18 pm

There was also the guy who tried to say I was arguing about passing out free guns to mentally ill people because I said "I don't think we should give guns to violently mentally ill people, either".

It's like these people are either "no guns for anyone" or "unrestricted weapons of any kind for everyone" with absolutely no middle ground. Where are the people with opinions on the subject that aren't either incredibly naive hippies or crazy as hell anarchist?

:iiam:
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Because those with the intellect to take a non-extremist stance are smart enough to not argue with stupid people.
Fuck.

Well, I guess I'm dumb as hell.
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Originally posted by Dechs Kaison on MTGS
redthirst is redthirst, fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. He was the leader of the Fires of Salvation, the only clan I'm aware of to get modded off the forums so hard they made their own forums.

Degenerate? Sure. Loudmouth? You bet. Law abiding? No ****ing way.

Great guy to have around? Hell yes.
I love the D...

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Postby LP, of the Fires » Mon May 06, 2013 8:26 pm

"Never argue with an idiot. He may be doing the same thing."
You gotta understand, I love the beatdown. I really do. I always have.

Beatdown is hard, though.


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Postby Alex » Mon May 06, 2013 8:34 pm

There was also the guy who tried to say I was arguing about passing out free guns to mentally ill people because I said "I don't think we should give guns to violently mentally ill people, either".

It's like these people are either "no guns for anyone" or "unrestricted weapons of any kind for everyone" with absolutely no middle ground. Where are the people with opinions on the subject that aren't either
incredibly naive hippies or crazy as hell anarchist?

:iiam:
Because those with the intellect to take a non-extremist stance are smart enough to not argue with stupid people.
Fuck.

Well, I guess I'm dumb as hell.
Well, you are posting on MTGS still.

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Postby redthirst » Mon May 06, 2013 8:37 pm

Missionary to the unenlightened.

I'm sure there are other members with potential who just need to see the light in order to know that there's something better than Sally's culture of ignorance.
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Originally posted by Dechs Kaison on MTGS
redthirst is redthirst, fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. He was the leader of the Fires of Salvation, the only clan I'm aware of to get modded off the forums so hard they made their own forums.

Degenerate? Sure. Loudmouth? You bet. Law abiding? No ****ing way.

Great guy to have around? Hell yes.
I love the D...

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Postby LP, of the Fires » Mon May 06, 2013 8:38 pm

Interesting situation that came up the last time I didn't get thrashed playing mono-red(last FNM, 0-2 drop 0-4 in games, worst tourney of my life):

I have cackler and ash on board, opponent has resto mana up. 3 of my 4 options all had a lot of merit actually.

Attack with just cackler: I think you might have resto and I value ash zealot(rites flashback, bolt damage) but if you don't, I get a shocks worth of value.

Attack with just Ash: Semi bluff, I think you might have resto, but if you do, I'm fine trading it for a spear I probably have.

Attack with both: If you don't have it, this is the best play, if you do, I force you to make a decision. Block cackler and come out ahead on cards no matter what(spear, pillar, mortars still results in a 2-for-1) or block ash and try to gain value at the risk of losing your angel for a spear.

Pass the turn: Worst option, but reasonable if I have hellrider next turn and a
spear in hand for a potential tusk that he plays next turn. This gives him virtual life though as I timewalk walk myself and I'll tilt when I lose and he tells me he didn't have the angel.

In the end, I just swung in, he had no angel and I goldfished him turn 5 I think as he played a single mana dork that game and I ended the match with double hellrider annihilating his face.
You gotta understand, I love the beatdown. I really do. I always have.

Beatdown is hard, though.


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Postby redthirst » Mon May 06, 2013 8:42 pm

I also want new players or players that want to improve to know that they have someone to look up to besides the loudest idiot like S_A, LeoninKha, or Kamahl.

So I'm basically a saint.
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Originally posted by Dechs Kaison on MTGS
redthirst is redthirst, fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse. He was the leader of the Fires of Salvation, the only clan I'm aware of to get modded off the forums so hard they made their own forums.

Degenerate? Sure. Loudmouth? You bet. Law abiding? No ****ing way.

Great guy to have around? Hell yes.
I love the D...

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Postby Alex » Mon May 06, 2013 8:50 pm

Maybe. My most recent suspension isn't up until well after I leave NC for a few weeks to help a friend back in Florida move, (and celebrate my birthday with them) but I guess I may go back to passively aggressively trolling them whenever I get around to it.

I could make a gimmick account but that sounds like a hassle. I don't really feel like finding a decent proxy.

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Postby redthirst » Mon May 06, 2013 9:02 pm

Just don't troll the staff so much - it's funny and all, but it doesn't actually accomplish anything besides getting you suspended.

I know you weren't a member when we were on Sally, but we got a ton of new members just by posting quality content and disproving obviously ignorant posts with sound logic, statistics, and evidence - that sort of stuff attracts a certain type and that type is who we want on this site (those who are competent and/or are willing to learn).

Telling someone they're an idiot in the most abrasive way possible is entertaining, but it doesn't further our goal of creating the best possible MtG community.

But, that's just my opinion on the matter
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Degenerate? Sure. Loudmouth? You bet. Law abiding? No ****ing way.

Great guy to have around? Hell yes.
I love the D...


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