Dies to Removal

one of the MBD is actually Bg devotion http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdat ... ckID=66905 it seems really strong with abrupt decays for our chained to the rocks and golgari charms out of the board for our assembles.

one of the MBD is actually Bg devotion http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdat ... ckID=66905 it seems really strong with abrupt decays for our chained to the rocks and golgari charms out of the board for our assembles.

I agree. Went up against this online already. I'm thinking of going entirely creatureless post board and calling his 2 Golgari charms and 3 Abrubt decays out for a topdeck battle with my chains and assembles. Forcing him to use his GCs and ADs as
creature removal vs Chandras can work as well. But all in all, this matchup got a lot harder since they now have an answer to one of our best win conditions, not to mention chained or the new O-Ring.

one of the MBD is actually Bg devotion http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdat ... ckID=66905 it seems really strong with abrupt decays for our chained to the rocks and golgari charms out of the board for our assembles.

I agree. Went up against this online already. I'm thinking of going entirely creatureless post board and calling his 2 Golgari charms and 3 Abrubt decays out for a topdeck battle with my chains and assembles. Forcing him to use his GCs and ADs as
creature removal vs Chandras can work as well. But all in all, this matchup got a lot harder since they now have an answer to one of our best win conditions, not to mention chained or the new O-Ring.

there were only a total of 8 mana confluence between all 16 decks 4 of which were all in the G/W deck. seems it hasn't made much impact at all.

shocked no burn in the top 16.

also on a good note no naya hexprove popped into the top 16.

Crypt Incurstion

Titan's Strength is bad in the same way Chained to the Rocks is bad (because it's sometimes dead or can lead to a 2-for-1). Or young pyromancer with no shock/jet back up is bad. It's actually slightly less hassle to lava spike them off of a token or pheonix than it is to get a YP out with a backup. If you tap out I can safely add TS to any creature. But if I tap out for YP you can untap and kill it without a response.

Possibly more interesting is that Prophetic Flamespeaker is the removal magnet (and that was the only reason I was considering TS anyway).[/quote:
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Stop.

Zem, I really have no problem with you being rude to me -- but I think I have earned the right to get corrected specifically. I don't get to play much - I have a wife, a kid, a full time job and a 1.5 hour commute. Each way. By posting my thoughts here I hope that folks who are better at magic than I can point out the flaws in my thinking -- much as if if we had played a friendly match I would hope that someone would point out my misplays. That is how we get better, after all.

Thanks.

I have a wife, a kid, a full time job and a 1.5 hour commute.

Crypt Incurstion

I...I'm suprised it doesn't see more play. I used it last season vs Junk reanimator... casually gain 30 life. I seriously thought it had cycled out.
MONTU! Are you still youtubing your games? Post a link man, I'd like to check it out.

Zem, I really have no problem with you being rude to me -- but I think I have earned the right to get corrected specifically. I don't get to play much - I have a wife, a kid, a full time job and a 1.5 hour commute. Each way. By posting my thoughts here I hope that folks who are better at magic than I can point out the flaws in my thinking -- much as if if we had played a friendly match I would hope that someone would point out my misplays. That is how we get better, after all.

there were only a total of 8 mana confluence between all 16 decks 4 of which were all in the G/W deck. seems it hasn't made much impact at all.

shocked no burn in the top 16.

also on a good note no naya hexprove popped into the top 16.

3 things.
Mana confluence. It think enough people are old enough to understand city of brass to know that 4 is the wrong number, and also midrange has scrylands so theres NOT a supreme amount of pressure to just jam in 4.

Burn: If you look I'm sure you'll find that there were very few burn players at the tourney. Look for instance at Jeff Hooglands deck. The good mana overall lends to "good stuff" decks, and lots of people WILL try to jam those things together, and if they've
been waiting for it some of those decks will be good. Couple that with the sheer amount of lifegain... people probbably aren't willing to try to work past it if they're not all in red mages. Just general theory about path of least resistance.

Hexproof: I'm going to make an obvious call here... hexproof is the "Classic Dredge" of standard. It will win ONLY if no one is looking for it. As long as people are looking for it (and to be sure they are because of basara tower archer) it can't be a thing. When people for get about it it has a chance to top 8 but it likely won't win. Why? Splash damage. It doesn't do a lot vs U/W/x that runs everythign from 6 oblivion rings (attacking enchanments and voice) to ... well you know. While B/x devtion are still running devour flesh because of BBoV and being able to eat thier own guys. As anoying as "rage tears" vs burn it has problems on its own.

Crypt Incurstion

I...I'm
suprised it doesn't see more play. I used it last season vs Junk reanimator... casually gain 30 life. I seriously thought it had cycled out.
MONTU! Are you still youtubing your games? Post a link man, I'd like to check it out.

I'd imagine the "stop" comment is because its almost offensive to suggest that Titan's Strength is the rough equivalent to Chained to the Rocks. It just doesn't even out

2 Super IQs were taken down yesterday by burn lists packing Ash Zealot. I expect BG will rise in popularity, and control will certainly be gaining headway. I think it might be time for Ash Zealot to creep back into lists.

[deck]
4 Ash Zealot
4 Chandras Phoenix

4 Magma Jet
4 Lightning Strike
4 Boros Charm
4 Skullcrack
4 WLH
4 Shock
1 Searing Blood

2 Chained to the Rocks
2 Banishing Light

7 Mountain
3 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
8 Scry Lands
1 Mana Conflux

SB
2 Wear Tear
2 Assemble
1 Chandra
1 Mutavault
1 Blind Obediance (I believe this can now be boarded in vs control to help combat some of the lifegain from Ram, also Ash is much weaker vs Monsters so this is another hedge for the matchup. Also helps with Obzedat)
3 Toil Trouble
1 SBD
n2 Chained to the Rocks
2 Mizzium[/deck]

Seems MBD is still top at lest in numbers. interesting development is the American control deck http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdat ... ckID=66909 this deck has definite promise. one of the MBD is actually Bg devotion http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdat ... ckID=66905 it seems really strong with abrupt decays for our chained to the rocks and golgari charms out of the board for our assembles.

I top 8d the IQ with YP$, but both of my losses were to BG. I think I want to put more of a clock on them with ash zealot, trying to possibly force them to use Abrupt Decay on my two drop rather than one of my 6 enchantments. I don't think we can rely on Assemble as much vs them, so the idea of increasing the clock seems nice.

I top 8d the IQ with YP$, but both of my losses were to BG. I think I want to put more of a clock on them with ash zealot, trying to possibly force them to use Abrupt Decay on my two drop rather than one of my 6 enchantments. I don't think we can rely on Assemble as much vs them, so the idea of increasing the clock seems nice.

I've been running the Ash version for about 10 days. Yes, it does put them under more pressure. But, OMG does it suck when the top deck an Abrupt Decay after you've chained their Demon.

I top 8d the IQ with YP$, but both of my losses were to BG. I think I want to put more of a clock on them with ash zealot, trying to possibly force them to use Abrupt Decay on my two drop rather than one of my 6 enchantments. I don't think we can rely on Assemble as much vs them, so the idea of increasing the clock seems nice.

I've been running the Ash version for about 10 days. Yes, it does put them under more pressure. But, OMG does it
suck when the top deck an Abrupt Decay after you've chained their Demon.

If B/G becomes more popular (which it will) and enchant hate, maybe consider swapping CttR with Reprisals. The creature will be gone, can't be regenerated and it handles Obzedat, Troll in Dredge deck, G/R monsters etc. Any creature with a power of 3 or less we can burn away. I think it's a solid sb addition. This set is really pushing the "big creature" play too.

Well the thing is that the charm not only messed up YP$, it also DESTORYs Assemble since it is an enchantment.

Regarding MoW, by the time he comes out he should only give 1 to 2 tokens at best. Mono U isn't a bad mu for us. Yes CttR was our silver bullet for MoW, but it's still good for us. Courser of Kruphix is not a problem at all as long as you have SFD in your sb. That mu gets a lot better with him. A lot better. There's lots of enchantmentx in this block and with it disenchant spells. I'd rather get rid of something once, than have to deal with it again. All that for 1 extra mana at instant speed, which will trigger YP where CttR doesn't.