Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:39 am
Boubouille is an cute/affective french term meaning little bubble
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I've been informed that I am being less then clear here.You said that admins lied and admitted it, got more details on that?
and will appear day by day till the nonexistent end of the world..A wild Onar appears.
My question was more of a general question. That and to bring up a point of unstableness of the current staff. No ill intentions.I'd say depending on what Boubs can do for us, to put that on that back-burner for now, Saph.
I think they know that already..My question was more of a general question. That and to bring up a point of unstableness of the current staff. No ill intentions.I'd say depending on what Boubs can do for us, to put that on that back-burner for now, Saph.
I'm still reading the thread, so if I repeat anything, sorry.@Mogadishu Jones: If you guys want to compile list of usernames that needs to be reviewed, I'll go through it as soon as possible. If you want to send me a PM about it to not go all public about it, it's also fine, I'm sticking to this post for transparency purposes but I'm fine with whatever works for you. We're still reindexing the entire forums on the new search servers, will take a while but hey, we don't need a downtime for that.
@Col. Khaddafi: That's kind of my point, you don't know how the SQL DB of vB works. Asking for an export of posts like this is a giant pain, and still a huge privacy/security breach in my opinion. As for closing the Gutter, if my only plan was to close the Gutter I don't think I would be posting here to figure out what'
s going on. The situation has been frustrating on both sides, but if you want to work on a solution I'm up for it. That's about it.
@NoHomers: I don't know, it would most likely depend on the size of the bag. No, seriously, I'll also look into it, but it's literally day 1 for me to try to catch up on everything so give it a little more time.
On a sidenote, I'd like to point out that I appreciate people trying to work with me on this, it's kind of good to move forward.
Heh, that may be the first time you've ever thanked me.Thanks Manders.
Coming into this thread with the attitude that you've had so far is completely unnecessary. Like, I seriously don't understand why you would come in here and threaten they guy who's offering to discuss with us. How is that going to help?You act like we incite drama, and yet...I can't help but notice that all you do is bitch, moan, and complain. Both RussianAlara and myself have reasons as to why we are even here. IT isn't because we want to incite drama. The reason we are here is because unlike you,we aren't interested in pointing outIm done dealing with people who just want to incite drama. Go find that somewhere else please. Some of us have been at this near a year, and I for one would appreciate it if you would kindly take your crusader attacks on mtgstaff and Internet toughguy act elsewhere.You seem pretty upset.Like bouboille, im trying to save you a headache. Just ignore Yanni and probably Fahey as well itt.
Thanks again.
every fucking flaw that's going on. I could point out how much of a bitch you are as a person, but given the fact that you seem to think you're never wrong, it's be fruitless.
The ones hindering this entire thing are you and people like you. How about you let people with a bit of diplomacy handle it. Maybe we'll even get your dumb ass back on Sally.
Everything was going fine until the upper staff decided to close the Gutter without even giving them ORI must admit, the past month at Salvation has been a lot better than the previous months of shitfest.
Seriously. Harkius, I don't know what changed with you since you came here, but I much prefer THIS Harkius.Harkius I like you more when you're advocating shit eating. Sometimes lack of a filter makes a world of a difference.
All of this sounds fantastic.Warning:
Personal opinion ahead, no promise or anything, those are just my thoughts and I'm still bouncing ideas left and right with people.
Hai!
Daily update time. I got a big ass spreadsheet with most of the people involved in the drama, reasons of bans, etc, and I'm going through it whenever I have free time. I don't agree with how some of the things went down, and I'm pretty sure we can find a compromise pretty easily if everyone involved is willing to make an effort (both on the admin team side, and on your side).
Honestly right now we have two problems. The first one is that the whole situation has been going on forever, and it's now a pretty giant drama that no one can fully understand without referring to a bunch of notes and "okay what the hell happened back then?". The second one is that based on how things went down before, people got mad and said or did slightly stupid things but I don't think anything was really bad.
In a nutshell on my side:I honestly think that it would be fine to have most people come back as long as we're clear on a few things:
- I
will need a few more days to get the opinion from the entire mod team before I do anything, I've been working mostly on admin level for now but I won't move without getting the feeling from the entire mod team on the situation.- I will probably offer a few changes on how rules work, and see what people think about it.
As an "outsider", I do think there's something to be fixed when people with a
- No more alt/gimmick account. (I know this is a grey area, I just want it written down somewhere for now)
- No more account sharing.
- We all somewhat figure out what the hell went wrong, agree on it, and decide we're done with it. If people are coming back just to be all hostile and stuff, it obviously won't work.
couple thousand posts or people who were heavily involved in the site administration end up having to leave just because of giant disagreements that aren't really that bad when you look into them.
As for the Gutter, I already said I don't agree with the principle but I'm also not part of the community in the first place. I'm not opposed to keeping it open because it's ... "historically relevant" to the forums but we'll probably have to agree slightly on what is okay and not okay. Random forum to fuck around in a small group is fine as long as nothing really illegal or terrible happens. I'd still like to do it in two phases though, reintegrating people to the community would be the first step and we can talk about the Gutter a little further down the road. I'm fine keeping this forum as a point of contact, or even giving my IM details to a couple of people to have a real discussion about it.
I'll be honest, I don't see them reinstating G_R to moderator status again. He ruffled quite a few feathers with his public....I don't want to say "bashing" but that's probably the best word - of the rules changes, and the drama that was going on. I mean, he pretty much said the admins advocated along with the majority of the moderators to actively lie not only to the Gutter but to the userbase as a whole, and that he was in the minority trying to give them some type of moral compass. ER maintains grudges. Three admins won'tWhat, specifically, can you not see happening and why not?
Regardless...good thing it's not up to you, I suppose?
--> -->I am not considered trustworthy. They also got tired of hearing the truth without sugarcoating I guess?
Also some of them can't stand this smiley:
If they're going about this the way they always have, the decision won't be the admins' alone to make.I'll be honest, I don't see them reinstating G_R to moderator status again. He ruffled quite a few feathers with his public....I don't want to say "bashing" but that's probably the best word - of the rules changes, and the drama that was going on. I mean, he pretty much said the admins advocated along with the majority of the moderators to actively lie not onlyWhat, specifically, can you not see happening and why not?
Regardless...good thing it's not up to you, I suppose?
to the Gutter but to the userbase as a whole, and that he was in the minority trying to give them some type of moral compass. ER maintains grudges. Three admins won't be able to overrule him.
Maybe I was reading it wrong, but who knows?
ExpiredRascals simply does not care. Sorry, I have no faith in the ability of anyone to be able to overcome his idiocy. Please, prove me wrong. I don't mind being proven wrong, but I see the narcissistic side in his posting.If they're going about this the way they always have, the decision won't be the admins' alone to make.I'll be honest, I don't see them reinstating G_R to moderator status again. He ruffled quite a few feathers with his public....I don't want to say "bashing" but that's probably the best word -What, specifically, can you not see happening and why not?
Regardless...good thing it's not up to you, I suppose?
of the rules changes, and the drama that was going on. I mean, he pretty much said the admins advocated along with the majority of the moderators to actively lie not only to the Gutter but to the userbase as a whole, and that he was in the minority trying to give them some type of moral compass. ER maintains grudges. Three admins won't be able to overrule him.
Maybe I was reading it wrong, but who knows?
At this point I have more faith in the talksExpiredRascals simply does not care. Sorry, I have no faith in the ability of anyone to be able to overcome his idiocy. Please, prove me wrong. I don't mind being proven wrong, but I see the narcissistic side in his posting.If they're going about this the way they always have, the decision won't be the admins' alone to make.I'll be honest, I don't see themWhat, specifically, can you not see happening and why not?
Regardless...good thing it's not up to you, I suppose?
reinstating G_R to moderator status again. He ruffled quite a few feathers with his public....I don't want to say "bashing" but that's probably the best word - of the rules changes, and the drama that was going on. I mean, he pretty much said the admins advocated along with the majority of the moderators to actively lie not only to the Gutter but to the userbase as a whole, and that he was in the minority trying to give them some type of moral compass. ER maintains grudges. Three admins won't be able to overrule him.
Maybe I was reading it wrong, but who knows?
This, but also, Fahey, I suppose I'll explain what I meant.At this point I have more faith in the talks with people we can now consider higherExpiredRascals simply does not care. Sorry, I have no faith in the ability of anyone to be able to overcome his idiocy.If they're going about this the way they always have, the decision won't be the admins' alone to make.I'll be honest, I don't see them reinstating G_R to moderator status again. He ruffled quite a few feathers with his public....I don't want to say "bashing" but that's probably the best word - of the rules changes, and the drama that was going on. I mean, he pretty much said the admins advocated along with the majority of the moderators to actively lie not only to the Gutter but to the userbase as a whole, and that he was in the minority trying to give them some type of moral compass. ER maintains grudges. Three admins won't be able to overrule him.What, specifically, can you not see happening and why not?
Regardless...good thing it'
s not up to you, I suppose?
Maybe I was reading it wrong, but who knows?
Please, prove me wrong. I don't mind being proven wrong, but I see the narcissistic side in his posting.
nobody here thinks he has any powerIN OTHER WORDS ER is not nearly as powerful as many here think he is...though he is still a tool.