[Fedoras of Salvation] - White Knights ITT

[LP, of the Fires]

My buddy got all his Zen lands by picking them up after drafts

He has two boxes of Zen lands.

[hamfactorial]

I thought the full art lands were only in the fat packs. Did they come in regular boosters?

[Self Medicated]

Hoping to get some opinions on this list:

http://community.ist.utl.pt/viewtopic.p ... 05#p132257

[LP, of the Fires]

Idk, wasn't drafting back then. Apparently so.

[Khaospawn]

Weird that everybody is talking about Zen lands today. I just picked up 12 more of the "most popular" Zen Mountains.



And 8 more "bowl" Islands. *hides*

[Khaospawn]

Re: that RTR mountain Nerdboy and VAL were discussing cuz it doesn't look like a Mountain, but more like a fortress


I have 6 of those foils and I'm looking to trade them for Avon's purple, underground lair "Mountain" from RTR. PM me if we can work something out.

[Khaospawn]

I also want to add that I hate being unable to quote posts from my phone. Hence my weirdly descriptive and Khaotic references to underground lair and fortress Mountains.

[LP, of the Fires]

The RTR non-mountain is one of my least favorite and I have like 8 original Rav foils of it >_>

[Khaospawn]

On another note, I forgot how much fun Modern Storm was. Sure, DRS, Abrupt Decay, Thoughtseize, Liliana, and Maelstrom Pulse (along with counterspells) are bad news against Storm, but you'd be surprised at how much maindeck Empty the Warrens and replacing Faithless Looting with Magma Jet evens the odds. So much math, so much fun.

[DarthStabber]

I thought the full art lands were only in the fat packs. Did they come in regular boosters?

They came in fatpacks and boosters, the regular ones came in intro packs.

[Khaospawn]

LP, if you have what I want, I'll get Suga to do unspeakable, yet delightful, things to you if you can send them my way. =D

[InflatablePie]

Random, but I don't know where else to ask. This is a kind of dumb rules question. [edit] there's a rulings forum. but it has 4 threads. I imagine no one checks it.

If you cast Ordeal of Heliod on a creature your opponent controls, since you control the enchantment, do you still gain the 10 life when it triggers? Same thing if they use a treason effect on your creature with the Ordeal.

Relevant rule:
303.4e An Aura’s controller is separate from the enchanted object’s controller; the two need not be the same. Changing control of the object doesn’t change control of the Aura, and vice versa. Only the Aura’s controller can activate its abilities. However, if the Aura grants an ability to the enchanted object (with “gains” or “has”), the enchanted object’s controller is the only one who can
activate that ability.

I'm not sure if the 'has' clause is the same here (since that's probably referring to "Enchanted creature has X" or something).

[photodyer]

My lady is very impressed with Avon's artwork, so much that she thought that buying the framed Unhinged lithographs would be a nice touch for the office.

A judge friend o' mine has all of them hanging in his great room area because his wife likes them...common theme here. I have the Swamp that I won in a fundraiser competition back at the end of SOM/ISD, but don't have the others as I'm actually pressed for wall space (art geek + photographer = image overload).

[Link]

You the enchantment controller gains the life, yes

[RaidaTheBlade]

Random, but I don't know where else to ask. This is a kind of dumb rules question. [edit] there's a rulings forum. but it has 4 threads. I imagine no one checks it.

If you cast Ordeal of Heliod on a creature your opponent controls, since you control the enchantment, do you still gain the 10 life when it triggers? Same thing if they use a treason effect on your creature with the Ordeal.

Relevant rule:
303.4e An Aura’s controller is separate from the enchanted object’s controller; the two need not be the same. Changing control of the object doesn’t change control of the Aura, and vice versa. Only the Aura’s controller can
activate its abilities. However, if the Aura grants an ability to the enchanted object (with “gains” or “has”), the enchanted object’s controller is the only one who can activate that ability.

I'm not sure if the 'has' clause is the same here (since that's probably referring to "Enchanted creature has X" or something).

You still gain the life. Ordeal doesn't say that the creature's controller gains 10 life, it says YOU gain 10 life. And as with all cards, 'you' is talking directly to the controller of the card.

So since you control the ordeal, YOU gain the 10 life, no matter what creature it's on

[InflatablePie]

Interesting...

...

I may be up to trying something stupid at some point in the future...

[rcwraspy]

Random, but I don't know where else to ask. This is a kind of dumb rules question. [edit] there's a rulings forum. but it has 4 threads. I imagine no one checks it.

If you cast Ordeal of Heliod on a creature your opponent controls, since you control the enchantment, do you still gain the 10 life when it triggers? Same thing if they use a treason effect on your creature with the Ordeal.

Relevant rule:
303.4e An Aura’s controller is separate from the enchanted object’s
controller; the two need not be the same. Changing control of the object doesn’t change control of the Aura, and vice versa. Only the Aura’s controller can activate its abilities. However, if the Aura grants an ability to the enchanted object (with “gains” or “has”), the enchanted object’s controller is the only one who can activate that ability.

I'm not sure if the 'has' clause is the same here (since that's probably referring to "Enchanted creature has X" or something).

You still gain the life. Ordeal doesn't say that the creature's controller gains 10 life, it says YOU gain 10 life. And as with all cards, 'you' is talking directly to the controller of the card.

So since you control the ordeal, YOU gain the 10 life, no matter what creature it's on

EDIT: NVM, the sac isn't a "may."

[DocLawless]

Does anyone else do that? Use basic lands that fit the theme of the deck.

All the time.

I thought the full art lands were only in the fat packs. Did they come in regular boosters?

I think I've gotten them out of boosters before... not sure if that's a real memory or one I invented. It's been a while; I wasn't around for Zendikar block and I only bought like 2 boosters after the fact from my LGS, who was selling them for $7 a piece. After mapping the box, I'm sure...

But they're selling ZEN lands for $1 a pop. I get them for half that from SCG.

[Khaospawn]

@ windstrider (land and deck theme)

Yes. Absolutely. You'd be surprised at some of the lands I favor for certain decks. And since my OCD reigns supreme in Magic, all my cards and lands MUST have the same art or else the 'Verse will implode on itself.

[Jack]

I'm contemplating spending $42 on 40 mint condition Zendikar basics. My gut tells me to buy them, my brain is considering how the money would be better spent on new cards that I want instead of cooler versions of cards I already own.

[DocLawless]

I'm contemplating spending $42 on 40 mint condition Zendikar basics. My gut tells me to buy them, my brain is considering how the money would be better spent on new cards that I want instead of cooler versions of cards I already own.

I cross that bridge every time I have spending money.

[LaZerBurn]

@ windstrider (land and deck theme)

And since my OCD reigns supreme in Magic, all my cards and lands MUST have the same art or else the 'Verse will implode on itself.

Absolutely! And nothing with a white border either

[Jack]

I'm contemplating spending $42 on 40 mint condition Zendikar basics. My gut tells me to buy them, my brain is considering how the money would be better spent on new cards that I want instead of cooler versions of cards I already own.

I cross that bridge every time I have spending money.

I bought them. It's only money...but mountains are forever

[DocLawless]

Stormbreath Dragons are forever too. But Stormbreath Dragons cast with red. And red comes from Mountains. You made the right choice.

[windstrider]

@ windstrider (land and deck theme)

Yes. Absolutely. You'd be surprised at some of the lands I favor for certain decks. And since my OCD reigns supreme in Magic, all my cards and lands MUST have the same art or else the 'Verse will implode on itself.

Good. I felt weird for doing that as well, and then said screw it. I love running mono-red with nothing but the full-art Zen Mountains. Looks so good in the black card sleeves.

[Khaospawn]

Lazerburn-

Sorry to disappoint, but I proudly play my WB Portal Sleight of Hand and Shivan Reefs in my Storm deck. And I play Revised Islands (isolated island pic) in MerFish.

Not gonna lie, certain WB cards appeal to me. I'm a huge fan of the Revised Mountain that has that cold steel, grey look to it. I'm at a disadvantage while on my phone, otherwise I'd post the picture of it.

Other than these examples, BB fo sho!

[Khaospawn]

Also, everything I play is geared up in KMC Pearl White (Walter Whites??? ), so they really make WB look good. Seriously.

[DocLawless]

Not gonna lie, certain WB cards appeal to me. I'm a huge fan of the Revised Mountain that has that cold steel, grey look to it. I'm at a disadvantage while on my phone, otherwise I'd post the picture of it.

That one?

[Khaospawn]

No, not quite.

[Khaospawn]

The other one, but not the one with the brown in it.

[Khaospawn]

Yeah, I know, I'm real descriptive. lol

[DocLawless]

There's only three of them, I'll guess it eventually.

As an aside, tastes seem to be split along the lines of realistic vs. surreal artwork; Unhinged/Revised/Arabian Nights vs. Zendikar/Kamigawa/Ravnica (and I may be the odd man out for liking the Rise of the Eldrazi lands a lot too).

Only FoS could spend two pages talking about basic Mountains, though. Which is why we fuckin' rule.

[Jack]

Only FoS could spend two pages talking about basic Mountains, though. Which is why we fuckin' rule.

I love this discussion. Mountain choice is one of the finer points to the art of playing red.

[Jack]

Also, everything I play is geared up in KMC Pearl White (Walter Whites??? ), so they really make WB look good. Seriously.

I would always use white Ultra Pros because the color looks so professional. There's something special about a pristine WB card in a white sleeve. I still have them on my Riku EDH and my modern Infect (although I don't play this deck anymore). I'll have to look into the Pearl White KMCs. Good looks and high quality construction? I'll take 20!

[Khaospawn]

Doc, that's it!

It's so...Mountainous.

[LP, of the Fires]

There's only three of them, I'll guess it eventually.

As an aside, tastes seem to be split along the lines of realistic vs. surreal artwork; Unhinged/Revised/Arabian Nights vs. Zendikar/Kamigawa/Ravnica (and I may be the odd man out for liking the Rise of the Eldrazi lands a lot too).

Only FoS could spend two pages talking about basic Mountains, though. Which is why we fuckin' rule.

A friend of mine recently donated her lands to one of the LGS's and I scooped up 21 copies of that particular mountain.

[Khaospawn]

KMC Pearl Whites are the same sleeves God uses when he plays MTG with Satan.

[Valdarith]

There's only three of them, I'll guess it eventually.

As an aside, tastes seem to be split along the lines of realistic vs. surreal artwork; Unhinged/Revised/Arabian Nights vs. Zendikar/Kamigawa/Ravnica (and I may be the odd man out for liking the Rise of the Eldrazi lands a lot too).

Only FoS could spend two pages talking about basic Mountains, though. Which is why we fuckin' rule.

I play those Mountains in my Modern mono red deck, white border and all.

[Khaospawn]

Valdarith is a fucking champ.

[RaidaTheBlade]

I've decided to order all of scg's stock of the mirage john avon land, lol

I like the old card style, but not white borders. It's the best of both worlds ;P


Also, re: us discussing basic mountains for 2 pages. I feel really proud about starting the discussion, is that bad?

And it is part of why this clan is awesome I enjoy it more every day