How About Them Trades, Eh?

Kaitscralt · Postby **Kaitscralt** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:20 pm

I'm sure it will motivate scammers to go elsewhere.

You get it!

He gets it!

Let's up the required post count.

Azrael · Postby **Azrael** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:21 pm

I'm all for fostering community involvement; but I think its helpful to make the bait a little bit easier for newcomers to reach.

100 posts is a good barrier for rippers, but it's low enough that people who are actually interested in the community, or prospectively interested in the community, to jump in. It shouldn't take an average poster more than a few months of posting to become trade eligible (say, one post per day.)

It'd be nice to be able to grab people who start off interested primarily for trading, suck them in with a modest posting requirement, get them acclimated to the site, and use the trade-bait as a hook to get them into the community. If the barrier to entry is too high, however, we're going to be unnecessarily exclusionary and unwelcoming.

Thrillho · Postby **Thrillho** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:22 pm

there actually is a hidden trade forum it's just so hidden that only a few members can even comprehend it, let alone render it on their computer.

redthirst · Postby **redthirst** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:29 pm

I'm sure it will motivate scammers to go elsewhere.
You get it!

He gets it!

Let's up the required post count.

Completely shutting down the site will motivate even more scammers to go elsewhere... maybe we should do that?

Or maybe there is a such thing as diminishing returns - maybe losing a few dozen potential members and good traders for every scammer isn't worth it.

Who knows?

Second Harkius · Postby **Second Harkius** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:30 pm

This site is about fostering a higher quality of poster. Give me 10 great posters over 1000 angry manchildren any day.

Second Harkius · Postby **Second Harkius** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:32 pm

redthirst · Postby **redthirst** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:33 pm

Great posters who want to use B/S/T will also be turned off by a high post requirement, not just spammers.

In fact, a high post requirement just promotes spamming - not quality posts.

redthirst · Postby **redthirst** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:41 pm

This site is about fostering a higher quality of poster. Give me 10 great posters over 1000 angry manchildren any day.

Do you have any idea how hypocritical it is for you to be constantly up on your soap box about "quality content" and "great posters"?

Blackhound · Postby **Blackhound** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:45 pm

"puts tin hat on"

Second Harkius · Postby **Second Harkius** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:47 pm

This site is about fostering a higher quality of poster. Give me 10 great posters over 1000 angry manchildren any day.
Do you have any idea how hypocritical it is for you to be constantly up on your soap box about "quality content" and "great posters"?

I contribute a lot behind the scenes and in private forums but keep building that strawman

Second Harkius · Postby **Second Harkius** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:47 pm

**Guy gets mad at King Spam for spamming**

Second Harkius · Postby **Second Harkius** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:48 pm

I mean if you find read my posts here, in new card discussion, or in the video games forum, you'll see 95% of my content is totally on topic.

But that doesn't fit your argument, does it?

Sir Sapphire the 3rd · Postby **Sir Sapphire the 3rd** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:49 pm

Second Harkius · Postby **Second Harkius** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:52 pm

Maybe I should change my name to "King Content'

(sounds like King Cob Web!)

Sir Sapphire the 3rd · Postby **Sir Sapphire the 3rd** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:53 pm

Maybe I should change my name to "King Content'

(sounds like King Cob Web!)

no just no

Tom Servo · Postby **Tom Servo** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:55 pm

Most of the spam he does is in designated spamming threads, making it ironically on topic

But we don't need to get testy over this, that's why were talking.

Thrillho · Postby **Thrillho** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:56 pm

Great posters who want to use B/S/T will also be turned off by a high post requirement, not just spammers.

In fact, a high post requirement just promotes spamming - not quality posts.

how do we know if they're great posters if all they do is post "i have a card you want in your want card thread"?

Second Harkius · Postby **Second Harkius** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:57 pm

Gather round, my subjects!

I don't know about that King Spam guy, but my name is King Content and everything I say will always be on topic!

Thrillho · Postby **Thrillho** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:58 pm

dude chill out you're being a dick for no discernable end.

( G_R ) · Postby **( G_R )** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:12 pm

How about 300 posts?

redthirst · Postby **redthirst** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:18 pm

Great posters who want to use B/S/T will also be turned off by a high post requirement, not just spammers.

In fact, a high post requirement just promotes spamming - not quality posts.
how do we know if they're great posters if all they do is post "i have a card you want in your want card thread"?

And how do we know that's all they're going to post?

There's been a few people who have posted in this thread that
1. They're interested in trading, but
2. They wouldn't have enough posts, even though
3. They do post quality content.

nAlso, Spam - all I have to judge you on is what I see. You can't throw examples of things you've actually done "behind the scenes" that I couldn't possibly know and then accuse me of ignoring it because it doesn't fit my argument. I get that spamming as King Spam (or whatever you call yourself from week to week) is appropriate, but that doesn't make it any less spam - which is hypocritical if you want this site to be all about quality content.

( G_R ) · Postby **( G_R )** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:25 pm

Quality spam is a thing, you know?

Also lol arguments and calling people this and that. And every time you gringos say strawman I laugh my ass out. It's like they train you in the arts of debate and you're dying to prove your skills.

So, how about 333 posts?

Col. Khaddafi · Postby **Col. Khaddafi** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:26 pm

I'm onboard with Az. If we are not allowing loopholes like a vouch system, I think anything beyond 100posts is too steep.

Tom Servo · Postby **Tom Servo** » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:28 pm

Quality spam is a thing, you know?

Also lol arguments and calling people this and that. And every time you gringos say strawman I laugh my ass out. It's like they train you in the arts of debate and you're dying to prove your skills.

So, how about 333 posts?

Most people (not making a backhanded comment here) that use the phrase strawman haven't been trained in the arts of debate.

Pendulum · Postby **Pendulum** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:51 am

Quality spam is a thing, you know?

Also lol arguments and calling people this and that. And every time you gringos say strawman I laugh my ass out. It's like they train you in the arts of debate and you're dying to prove your skills.

So, how about 333 posts?
Most people (not making a backhanded comment here) that use the phrase strawman haven't been trained in the arts of debate.

+2 billiondy internets for you, good sir.

What's, ah, what's going on in this thread?
King Spam, it doesn't matter if people come here only to trade or not, your quality spam will soon
draw them out of their shells and they'll be productive members of the collective, spamming like crazy, in no time.

Second Harkius · Postby **Second Harkius** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:02 am

Quality spam is a thing, you know?

Also lol arguments and calling people this and that. And every time you gringos say strawman I laugh my ass out. It's like they train you in the arts of debate and you're dying to prove your skills.

So, how about 333 posts?
Most people (not making a backhanded comment here) that use the phrase strawman haven't been trained in the arts of debate.
+2 billiondy internets for
you, good sir.

What's, ah, what's going on in this thread?
King Spam, it doesn't matter if people come here only to trade or not, your quality spam will soon draw them out of their shells and they'll be productive members of the collective, spamming like crazy, in no time.

Your post makes me quite....content!

Kazekirimaru · Postby **Kazekirimaru** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:54 am

If I had known that asking about a trade thread was going to cause such an argument, I wouldn't have opened my mouth in the first place. Damn.

Seriously, with the sardonic and scathing tone in the majority of the posts in this thread, I feel like I'm being reprimanded for even suggesting it.

Never mind. I'll just stick to my clan like I intended. Cheers.

Col. Khaddafi · Postby **Col. Khaddafi** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:01 am

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lol

Galspanic · Postby **Galspanic** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:01 am

If I had known that asking about a trade thread was going to cause such an argument, I wouldn't have opened my mouth in the first place. Damn.

Seriously, with the sardonic and scathing tone in the majority of the posts in this thread, I feel like I'm being reprimanded for even suggesting it.

Never mind. I'll just stick to my clan like I intended. Cheers.

I'm enjoying this and am glad you did. I inherited a fairly broken trade community and with a lot of people have spent the last 15 months trying to build something that was usable and didn't totally suck. (insert your opinion here) Until recently I haven't really thought at all about how to start a trade community from scratch. I've talked to a few people about how to do
this and everyone wants security first and a large enough public stock to trade efficiently second. Personally I love forums/groups/communities with a cost of entry and am interested to see if this idea takes hold here.

The idea of proving yourself to be a contributing member BEFORE you get to enter into real-value exchanges is really interesting. It puts a non-monetary control that I have not seen before.

Col. Khaddafi · Postby **Col. Khaddafi** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:05 am

Anyway, no need for everyone to get rustled about this. sure we may bitch out a little bit more that what we were used to in that other site, but that's a good thing actually since we don't have people breathing over our shoulders.

Lets keep hashing out ideas, I think we made significant progress already, so we might be close to hammering something that will please/displease everyone equally.

Second Harkius · Postby **Second Harkius** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:10 am

300 posts and a tuggy

Second Harkius · Postby **Second Harkius** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:11 am

and no more threadshatting

Galspanic · Postby **Galspanic** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:11 am

One thing that I have talked about lately is how to make a trade community unique. You guys have your Forums that would distinguish DTR-Trades from MTGS-Trades or MOTL or Pojo. But, I've been thinking that more than ~just~ the community could be looked into. Just what's been on my mind.

Galspanic · Postby **Galspanic** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:11 am

300 posts and a tuggy

I prefer Tug 'ums.

Sir Sapphire the 3rd · Postby **Sir Sapphire the 3rd** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:12 am

200-300
forum hidden till you reach post count

Sir Sapphire the 3rd · Postby **Sir Sapphire the 3rd** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:12 am

Rock Knight Approved

Second Harkius · Postby **Second Harkius** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:13 am

300 posts and a tuggy
I prefer Tug 'ums.

are we talking about the same thing?

Second Harkius · Postby **Second Harkius** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:16 am

anything below 250 is a joke but 250 is fine.

100 is a joke because there are members like zehpynoir on mtgs who could literally shit out 100 posts a day and nobody knows who the fuck they are

they just appeared, mid-shat, and kept crapping out posts

true spam is an art form

Pendulum · Postby **Pendulum** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:23 am

The forum posts itself can and probably should be hidden, but I would like to see the Trade section itself made visible so that people can ask about it. Part of the reason there's so much drama surrounding this subject is because it is quite a popular part of any MTG community (and quite a positive thing too, IMMHO).

Thrillho · Postby **Thrillho** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:03 am

Great posters who want to use B/S/T will also be turned off by a high post requirement, not just spammers.

In fact, a high post requirement just promotes spamming - not quality posts.
how do we know if they're great posters if all they do is post "i have a card you want in your want card thread"?
And how do we know that's all they're going to post?

There's been a few
people who have posted in this thread that
1. They're interested in trading, but
2. They wouldn't have enough posts, even though
3. They do post quality content.

Also, Spam - all I have to judge you on is what I see. You can't throw examples of things you've actually done "behind the scenes" that I couldn't possibly know and then accuse me of ignoring it because it doesn't fit my argument. I get that spamming as King Spam (or whatever you call yourself from week to week) is appropriate, but that doesn't make it any less spam - which is hypocritical if you want this site to be all about quality content.

we know they will post like that because there is precedent set on MTGS where users with 0 posts can hop into the trading forum and let er' rip. this was previously established and is the entire reason we're arguing for a post count baseline in the first place. we have become the oroboros at this point.