Dies to Removal

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I don't think Kaze would jump on a wagon just because it was there as scum.

So, how many games have you completed with Kaze?

None. This is based on general scum reactions.

Can you give me an example as to why self awareness is scummy?

Example? No. Playbook? Yes. It shows that you care about your image, rather than finding scum. Mafia are not overly concerned with finding scum, but they ARE concerned about being lynched; and thus get scared when people vote them.

[quote="Cursed_Pride":
3gsacysj]Also, how can you determine my alignment from two or three posts?[/quote]

I'm very clever.

Void I hate you but I get the feeling you are scum so I don't actually hate you.

Stardust is bumped up to null.

I'm busy remind me to say why Slowpoke is town later.

By "you" I don't mean Cursed_Pride because CP is town.

Unvote

I'm satisfied with Kaze's answers and behaviors... for now.

It wasn't a random wagon, it was the first wagon. And you don't need reasoning in RVS.

You're being obtuse on purpose.

Unvote: Iso

Vote: Captain Murphy

Actually, the more I read Kaze's posts, the more I feel he is telling the truth. Which leads me to now look at CM, Iso and rezombad for voting him. Gut says Iso right now.

@Wheat: What makes you think Murphy is town? Cause I'm seeing scumCM as a lot more plausible than scumKaze in their exchange.

@CursedPride: You are calling out rezombad and myself for RVS votes. Suga got lynched in Kaze's newbie mafia for this.

I voted Iso because reasons, I just didn't feel like sharing those reasons. And I initially saw Kaze's play as scummy (as many do and have), but have since come around on him.

I'm eager to see Void's explanation on his (unmoving) vote on CM.

As always, Stardust is too eager to "clear" Iso... and we all know how that ended up last time. I'll be watching you, Dusty.

Did everyone seriously take RVS votes as serious this game? I guess that's one way to get out of RVS... But it also plays to the scum's agenda of keeping us at each other's throats without doing actual scum hunting. Keep that in mind everyone.

Which RVS votes are you referring to, slowpoke?

RVS!

Vote Player: Rezombad

vote iso

scumslip

on to day 2.

k then. I thought there might've been something I was missing.

Vote: Iso anyways.

[quote="Kazekirimaru » Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:45 pm":
3jk6lphv]Vote: Iso

So, guys. Wouldn't a mass name-claim be beneficial? It'd at least be a step in the right direction. If we're looking for Checkboxes, then the scum should all be Checkbox/Checkbox gimmicks, right?

Who's down?[/quote]


As a matter of fact, here is you taking RVS votes seriously:

k then. I thought there might've been something I was missing.

Vote: Iso anyways.

Did you just put the third vote on Iso as a joke?[/quote:
3jk6lphv]

Fourth, actually. But I'm going to

Unvote, Iso

Until Rezombad explains what the scum slip was. Or stardust for that matter.

Rezombad: this is your third(?) game, right? I'm new too but I don't see the scumslip. It looks like a joke.

Stardust did the same thing

I'm down.

Unvote, Vote Iso.

And I explained why previously

RVS!

Vote Player: Rezombad

vote iso

scumslip

on to day 2.

k then. I thought there might've been something I was missing.

Vote: Iso anyways.

[
quote="Kazekirimaru » Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:45 pm"]Vote: Iso

So, guys. Wouldn't a mass name-claim be beneficial? It'd at least be a step in the right direction. If we're looking for Checkboxes, then the scum should all be Checkbox/Checkbox gimmicks, right?

Who's down?

As a matter of fact, here is you taking RVS votes seriously:

k then. I thought there might've been
something I was missing.

Vote: Iso anyways.

Did you just put the third vote on Iso as a joke?

Fourth, actually. But I'm going to

Unvote, Iso

Until Rezombad explains what the scum slip was. Or stardust for that matter.

Rezombad: this is your third(?) game, right? I'm new too but I don't see the scumslip. It looks like a joke.

[/quote]

It didn't seem like an RVS vote at the time

Cursed Pride. I'd rather keep my reasoning for Slowpoke to myself for the moment. Remind me later and I'll give it.

Yes, I did suspect Iso may be scum, based on just one post actually (I explained this in a previous post). My vote was as serious as any vote can be fresh out of RVS, but I would never want to lynch someone that soon into the Day 1.


Captain. Why would you assume the three people following rezombad didn't just see the same thing?

Because there was no sign of a slip, if townies are unsure they should wait for an answer, I just think scum run him up on the wagon at some point and I'm not sure who. Obviously some thought it was something but the reactions aren't stellar

@captain: it isn't about how early in the game it is. I was under the impression that people claim at L-2 on this site so once kaze answered my question, and I still wanted him lynched, I expected a claim.

@mod: you forgot rezombad's vote on kaze.

Why do you want him lynched? Explain everything scummy he has done.

@Slowpoke, who is the scummiest to you right now

Vote: Iso

So, guys. Wouldn't a mass name-claim be beneficial? It'd at least be a step in the right direction. If we're looking for Checkboxes, then the scum should all be Checkbox/Checkbox gimmicks, right?

Who's down?

kaze starts off with a vote on iso (a wagon that rezombad incited after my rvs vote because, "scumslip"), and suggests we nameclaim (this is fine with me, like I said I have no problem with a name claim)

@Kaze: Why did you vote for Iso?

Because I <3 RVS wagons.

Kaze gives an iffy reasoning for his vote

@kaze, stardust and slowpoke: why did you blindly vote iso without knowledge of how it was a slip?

I didn't care about that scumslip nonsense. I just hopped on the wagon because it was there.

Admits he jumped on the wagon opportunistically

To answer Captain, I voted Iso because the way he tried to format "town" is not the same as is written in my role PM. Weak, but good enough to generate a discussion and a decent wagon to analyze. I assumed that was the slip rezombad was talking about.

What was wrong with the way Iso wrote "town"?

Proves he didn't have a clue about why the wagon was even being pushed

[quote=&
quot;Kazekirimaru » Sun Oct 27, 2013 2:27 pm"]

@kaze, stardust and slowpoke: why did you blindly vote iso without knowledge of how it was a slip?

I didn't care about that scumslip nonsense. I just hopped on the wagon because it was there.

Vote kaze

You're so cute when you try to play Mafia.[/quote]

Kaze gets pressured a little bit here and lashes out at CM.

I can't tell if you're being serious or just trolling.

Because that vote is bad
and you should feel bad.

Deflection

I'm not even surprised in the slightest.

My God, people. I've stated numerous times that RVS wagons are my favorite way to get out of RVS.

I...ugh. I'm trying so hard not to be abrasive this game. But you guys are making that rather difficult.

Deflection

It wasn't a random wagon, it was the first wagon. And you don't need reasoning in RVS.

You're being obtuse on purpose.

Unvote: Iso

Vote: Captain Murphy

Retaliation. Tries to claim that his 4th (
Fourth!) vote on iso was "rvs" and therefore needed no reasoning

So, jumping on random wagons just because you feel like it and you have no reasoning is a town trait now? Sure kaze, sure thing buddy

Like, holy hell, I've never seen such a pristine example of a Straw man argument. Outstanding.

Trying to discredit

I'm really getting tired of people calling my play bad just because it's different. ._.

I get it, kay?
MafiaScum is a lot different from the meta at MTGS that this site seems to have adopted. It doesn't make me terrible or inherently scummy. It's just not what you guys are used to.

I'm trying to adapt, really.

This was one of the only posts that made me think maybe you were town

is that "everything"...or did I miss something?

I remember my reasoning on Murph. It's because he is genuinely interested in finding scum from his tone.

Also because his first post of the game made me say "mah nigga"

Vote: Iso

So, guys. Wouldn't a mass name-claim be beneficial? It'd at least be a step in the right direction. If we're looking for Checkboxes, then the scum should all be Checkbox/Checkbox gimmicks, right?

Who's down?

1. kaze starts off with a vote on iso (a wagon that rezombad incited after my rvs vote because, "scumslip"), and suggests we nameclaim (this is fine with me, like I said I have no problem with a name claim)

@Kaze: Why did you vote for Iso?

Because I <3 RVS wagons.

2. Kaze gives an iffy reasoning for his vote

@kaze, stardust and slowpoke: why did you blindly vote iso without knowledge of how it was a slip?

I didn't care about that scumslip nonsense. I just hopped on the wagon because it was there.

3.
Admits he jumped on the wagon opportunistically

To answer Captain, I voted Iso because the way he tried to format "town" is not the same as is written in my role PM. Weak, but good enough to generate a discussion and a decent wagon to analyze. I assumed that was the slip rezombad was talking about.

What was wrong with the way Iso wrote "town"?

4. Proves he didn't have a clue about why the wagon was even being pushed

[
quote="Captain Murphy » Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:49 pm"]

@kaze, stardust and slowpoke: why did you blindly vote iso without knowledge of how it was a slip?

I didn't care about that scumslip nonsense. I just hopped on the wagon because it was there.

Vote kaze

You're so cute when you try to play Mafia.

5. Kaze gets pressured a little bit here and lashes out at CM.

I can't tell if you're being serious or just trolling.

Because that vote is bad and you should feel bad.

6. Deflection

I'm not even surprised in the slightest.

My God, people. I've stated numerous times that RVS wagons are my favorite way to get out of RVS.

I...ugh. I'm trying so hard not to be abrasive this game. But you guys are making that rather difficult.

7. Deflection

It wasn't a random wagon, it was the first wagon. And you don't need reasoning in RVS.

You're being
obtuse on purpose.

Unvote: Iso

Vote: Captain Murphy

8. Retaliation. Tries to claim that his 4th (Fourth!) vote on iso was "rvs" and therefore needed no reasoning

So, jumping on random wagons just because you feel like it and you have no reasoning is a town trait now? Sure kaze, sure thing buddy

Like, holy hell, I've never seen such a pristine example of a Straw man argument. Outstanding.

9. Trying to discredit

I'm really getting tired of people calling my play bad just because it's different. ._.

I get it, kay? MafiaScum is a lot different from the meta at MTGS that this site seems to have adopted. It doesn't make me terrible or inherently scummy. It's just not what you guys are used to.

I'm trying to adapt, really.

10. This was one of the only posts that made me think maybe you were town[/quote]

Okay then,

1. Cool?
2. Why is it iffy?
3. I've explained my reasoning(ad nauseam!) for this. Seriously.
4. How so? And why does it matter?
5. "Lashes out"? It was more of a playfully scathing comment, but kay.
6. How is this deflection?
7. Like, seriously, do you even know what deflection means?
8. It was RVS. It doesn't matter how many votes are on an RVS wagon. It's still an RVS WAGON.
9. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
10. Cool?

Also because his first post of the game made me say "mah nigga"

How I've missed Wheat!

Vote: Iso

So, guys. Wouldn't a mass name-claim be beneficial? It'd at least be a step in the right direction. If we're looking for Checkboxes, then the scum should all be Checkbox/Checkbox gimmicks, right?

Who's down?

1. kaze starts off with a vote on iso (a wagon that rezombad incited after my rvs vote because, "scumslip"), and suggests we nameclaim (this
is fine with me, like I said I have no problem with a name claim)

@Kaze: Why did you vote for Iso?

Because I <3 RVS wagons.

2. Kaze gives an iffy reasoning for his vote

@kaze, stardust and slowpoke: why did you blindly vote iso without knowledge
of how it was a slip?

I didn't care about that scumslip nonsense. I just hopped on the wagon because it was there.

3. Admits he jumped on the wagon opportunistically

To answer Captain, I voted Iso because the way he tried to format "town" is not the same as is written in my role PM. Weak, but good enough to generate a discussion and a decent wagon to analyze. I assumed that was the slip rezombad was talking about.

What was wrong with the way Iso wrote "town"?

4. Proves he didn't have a clue about why the wagon was even being pushed


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@kaze, stardust and slowpoke: why did you blindly vote iso without knowledge of how it was a slip?

I didn't care about that scumslip nonsense. I just hopped on the wagon because it was there.

Vote kaze

You're so cute when you try to play Mafia.

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5. Kaze gets pressured a little bit here and lashes out at CM.

I can't tell if you're being serious or just trolling.

Because that vote is bad and you should feel bad.

6. Deflection

I'm not even surprised in the slightest.

My God, people. I've stated numerous times that RVS wagons are my favorite way to get out of RVS.

I...ugh. I'm trying so hard not to be abrasive this game. But you guys are making that rather difficult.

7. Deflection

It wasn't a random wagon, it was the first wagon. And you don't need reasoning in RVS.

You're being obtuse on purpose.

Unvote: Iso

Vote: Captain Murphy

8. Retaliation. Tries to claim that his 4th (Fourth!) vote on iso was "rvs" and therefore needed no reasoning

So, jumping on random wagons just because you feel like it and you have no reasoning is a town trait now? Sure kaze, sure thing buddy

Like, holy hell, I've never seen such a pristine example of a Straw man argument.
Outstanding.

9. Trying to discredit

I'm really getting tired of people calling my play bad just because it's different. ._.

I get it, kay? MafiaScum is a lot different from the meta at MTGS that this site seems to have adopted. It doesn't make me terrible or inherently scummy. It's just not what you guys are used to.

I'm trying to adapt, really.

10. This was one of the only posts that made me think maybe you were town

Okay then,

1. Cool?
2. Why is it iffy?
3. I've explained my reasoning(ad nauseam!) for this. Seriously.
4. How so? And why does it matter?
5. "Lashes out"? It was more of a playfully scathing comment, but kay.
6. How is this deflection?
7. Like, seriously, do you even know what deflection
means?
8. It was RVS. It doesn't matter how many votes are on an RVS wagon. It's still an RVS WAGON.
9. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
10. Cool?

this is going to get tedious but w/e.

1. setting the scene for my post analysis. sorry that trying to quote you in context is unimportant in your mind.
2. yes, it was an iffy reason. L-3 is not rvs (and it would have been L-2 if i hadn't unvoted MY RVS VOTE. things were getting SERIOUS so i unvoted my rvs vote. what did you do? you added another on.
3. your "reasoning" is a love for ending something that i don't agree you were still in (rvs).
4. if you didn't understand that iso messed up the formatting in his post (either on purpose or not), then you truly did not understand why the other people on the wagon were voting iso.
5. semantics. maybe lashed out is too strong a word. it was not addressing CM on the
merits of his pressure.
6. deflect |diˈflekt|
verb [ trans. ]
cause (something) to change direction by interposing something; turn aside from a straight course : the bullet was deflected harmlessly into the ceiling | figurative he attempted to deflect attention away from his private life. When pushed about your vote, you instead DEFLECTED the attention away from your bad vote and on to (in the case of post #6) and on to the latest person who voted you for being bad,
7. and (in the case of post #7), you deflect onto everyone for making it "difficult" for you even tho you are trying to adapt to a different playstyle.
8. we'll just have to disagree on the length of time we consider a wagon to be rvs. would it be rvs if you had made iso claim? when does rvs end exactly for you?
9. i know what a strawman is. if anything, CM exaggerates here. maybe a little desperate in his casing of you. but i really don't see jumping on a wagon for the sake of ending rvs as being
any good reasoning for the town. especially if you are town and got yourself lynched because of it. how would is the town supposed to differentiate between your vote for iso or slowpokes? or stardusts? how do we know you are town and not scum? why not allow the scum to jump on the wagon and get us out of rvs anyways?
10. <3 <3 <3

2. RVS is not dependent on how many votes are on the wagon. You can get all the way to L-1 on an RVS wagon(I've seen it happen many times.) I don't know how to get this through to you. You're wrong.
4. Again, why does it matter?
6. How did I deflect when I was talking about how bad the vote on me was? lol
8. Of course I wouldn't make Iso claim from an RVS wagon. That's absurd. RVS ends when RVS literally...ends. That's like asking when it's 2pm on Sunday.

That's all I'm willing to respond to because frankly reading your posts is making my eyes glaze over.

It seems like the main reason there are any votes for me at all is because of my RVS vote of Iso.

...

...really?

To be fair rvs was over at that point

Why? Because rezombad yelled "scumslip"? That could easily be interpreted as RVS and you know it. Just because Stardust sheeped it for whatever reason doesn't mean it isn't so.

No, people jumping on a wagon quickly ended rvs

Also because his first post of the game made me say "mah nigga"

How I've missed Wheat!

I miss wheat too...I've had nothing to grind.

@Kaze: Yeah when you vote someone that damned scummily you're going to get voted too. Whether or not you're actually scum (which your continued reactions do not support to me)

Well, I'm not scum so yeah.

You guys need to get over yourselves.

imopen2 and CM are looking very scummy focusing on some very clear RVS votes

I need to take a break from this game for a bit. I can't think about mafia without raging at the moment. I'll be back later in the week.

imopen2 and CM are looking very scummy focusing on some very clear RVS votes

If they were so clearly RVS then why do (at least) three other players not see it that way. So your vote was RVS too?

Three other players...

...hey. How many scum are in a 12 player again? :O

le gasp

But seriously. My wagon is not a wagon to be pushed.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty, eh?

imopen2 and CM are looking very scummy focusing on some very clear RVS votes

If they were so clearly RVS then why do (at least) three other players not see it that way. So your vote was RVS too?

I literally explained above why they were RVS votes. You haven't actually given a reason as to why they are not.

Three other players...

...hey. How many scum are in a 12 player again? :O

le gasp

But seriously. My wagon is not a wagon to be pushed.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty, eh?

You are not helping your case.

Maybe I don't understand what RVS is. Maybe you could explain it to me? Kaze's definition seems to be any number of votes (even if it puts the person at L-1) as long as RVS hasn't ended yet. My question is: how are we supposed to know when RVS ends? To me, it ends when there is more than 1 (maybe 2) vote(s) on a person due to a reason. My vote on iso was RVS. Rezombad's vote was not (IMO) because he was pointing out a "scumslip." I didn't see a scumslip so I unvoted. 3 other people, besides Rezombad, voted for iso. THAT IS NOT RVS! How am I the one being dumb? You guys are all trying to say it was RVS now but to me it feels like an attempt at a quicklynch, or at least a very misguided sheeping of Rezombad. Maybe I missed the humor of this wagon somehow but I really don't understand where you guys are coming from.

@slowpoke: this is what I see that you said above: "I voted Iso because reasons, I just
didn't feel like sharing those reasons."

It is called RANDOM VOTING STAGE, not SECRET REASONS PHASE.

Maybe I don't understand what RVS is. Maybe you could explain it to me?

Supplemental reading time.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p2173041

Murphy is Scum for opportunistic jump onto Kaze. What Kaze did does not make sense from a Scum perspective. The risk vs reward for Scum is not favorable for them. If Kaze is Scum, then he is one of the braver Mafia players I have seen.

Murphy, your game has gotten weak.

I will post later today should I find the time too do so.

Maybe I don't understand what RVS is. Maybe you could explain it to me?

Supplemental reading time.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p2173041

I'll read this when I get home

Unvote

Vote: imopen2

@imopen: I wanted to see how you'd react, and you did NOT disappoint.

@imopen: I wanted to see how you'd react, and you did NOT disappoint.

Care to share with those of us following along at home?

@imopen: I wanted to see how you'd react, and you did NOT disappoint.

Care to share with those of us following along at home?

I'd like to see you do some scumhunting of your own first.