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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:42 pm
by Azrael
Twice, I may send the mod a phrase, not longer than 10 words, that is a direct game-thread quote. The mod will respond with whether that statement was truthful or a lie.
Ham, I don't think that's how my ability works. Since I don't know if those statements are true or false, I don't think stardust would tell me what I wante to hear. I think I have to use phrases where the poster is making a statement that they know to be true or false.
Red, it's two shot, and I didn't include any rules on a cooling off or a limit, so my impression is that I can use both immediately, and I should get a response during the phase I use it.
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:48 pm
by Azrael
When I was submitting abilities to Stardust, he was pretty proactive about clarifying the terms of the ability when it was first submitted. When could it be submitted, day or night, for instance.
When did you supposedly send in your plan? Did Stardust forget that clarification step with you? When did you activate your ability? Night, or start of day? Were you concerned about your target possibly being NK'd? Why is it do you think you survived the night, after broadcasting all over the thread that you had a two-shot investigation queued up for use tomorrow?
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:51 pm
by Azrael
And, if you believed yesterday that you could use your ability during any phase, immediately, why would you ask us all to post the phrase in advance before you had finished building the item? Wouldn't the safe play and common sense play given what you knew would have been to wait, until today, to have everyone post their phrases and then use your ability? That way, your two-shot investigation wouldn't have been exposed to NK fire. But you didn't think that way, didn't worry about that, didn't try to keep your ability secret until it was ready. Why?
You're lying for sure, the only question is whether you're gambiting, or scum.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:01 pm
by Azrael
"Pretty ballsy move" my ass, I actively wanted to hang MoJo for most of Day 2, but there was a certain somebody who was so damn sure that ham was scum that he was willing to sabotage any non-ham wagon.
What does the 2nd half of this sentence have to do with the first?
If you're scum, blatantly killing off Ham before we could have CK fire off his vig-shot and reread the thread would be a pretty ballsy move, and that has absolutely nothing to do with your wanting to lynch Mojo and my wanting Ham dead.
It's a move that's so blatant and ballsy, it almost makes me wonder whether the theory is credible, but I suppose one shouldn't underestimate the power of greed, and DK's vote-count mistake earlier in the game did open the door to the town accepting further vote-count errors.
I think the bit about that, that makes me most suspicious, is that in your post from yesterday where you hammered, you stated exactly who you thought was voting at the time of your hammer - as if you knew in advance that you were going to get flak for it, and wanted your excuse prepared in advance.
For reference:
Unvote
Vote hamfactorial
This is the last update with MoJo at L-1.
Mogadishu Jones (4): Dechs Kaison, hamfactorial, Lord_Mcdonalds, RedNihilist
He's either scum, or his wagon contains the supposed last remaining scum player.
We're hanging ham and if he flips scum the rest of the post becomes useless, yet I like to think ahead.
The remaining scumdidates are myself, lurkMoJo the fake vigilante, DK and LMD.
Who would you examinate then?
EBWODP: Things happened while I was on meeting, I see.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:03 pm
by Dechs Kaison
VOTE: AZRAEL[\b]
He's scum, I've confirmed it.
Btw, stardust informed me during the night that he would only let me submit one phrase per night. Glad I chose correctly.
That's good enough for me.
Vote Azrael
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:08 pm
by Azrael
Also, why question who I would "examinate" if Ham flipped town? Wouldn't the more natural question to ask be who you yourself thought was worth looking into in that scenario?
Reads like you're either leaning on my expertise, or trying to figure out if I needed to be NK'd.
PPE:
Dechs, you should unvote until Imopen verifies whether he's gambiting, and/or we can get CK in here to actually talk about whether he has a vig-kill he can use today, and what his reads are. Don't speed-lynch.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:10 pm
by Azrael
If we are up against a two-scum team of Imopen and Red, if CK's got a vig-shot, we can still win this by CK taking me out with it, I flip town, and then the town lynches Imopen, if game's not over, lynch Red in succession.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:15 pm
by Dechs Kaison
Hey Az, did you finish building that thing that speeds up someone else's build time?
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:20 pm
by Mcdonalds
VOTE: AZRAEL[\b]
He's scum, I've confirmed it.
Btw, stardust informed me during the night that he would only let me submit one phrase per night. Glad I chose correctly.
vote azrael I like this line so far, if imopen speaks truthfully, we win today, barring imopen/scum pulling some sort of gambit, if not, I'm like 90% sure we can discern who the scum player is quickly
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:21 pm
by Mcdonalds
Wow I suck with bold tags
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:22 pm
by Mcdonalds
If we are up against a two-scum team of Imopen and Red, if CK's got a vig-shot, we can still win this by CK taking me out with it, I flip town, and then the town lynches Imopen, if game's not over, lynch Red in succession.
Actually this seems a lot better, much safer IMO
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:22 pm
by Dechs Kaison
There's something wrong with the post. It did something like that to me.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:23 pm
by Dechs Kaison
Az is at L-1.
Unvote
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:24 pm
by Dechs Kaison
Two questions must be answered.
CK: Do you have a day kill?
Az: Is your invention complete?
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:25 pm
by Azrael
At this point, I agree that the town pretty much can't move forward without knowing my alignment, assuming Imopen isn't gambitting. It's a lylo situation, so it IS a potential game-winning gambit for a two-scum team to lie about cop results and ride off into the sunset, but the optimal play in this scenario is almost always going to be to verify whether the investigation is legit, by killing me. That's especially true since up until now, we've been thinking a two-scum team is a long-shot.
I'm cool with that, kill me after imopen says whether it's a gambit or not, nobody in the town is experienced enough to make a behavioral call that contradicts a claimed cop investigation. But be ready to take out the remaining scum when I flip town.
Remember the following:
1. Imopen didn't need to claim his ability yesterday, given what he knew. He claimed a very powerful role, then exposed himself to NK fire without fear. That reads like he was either trying to gambit to draw a NK towards himself, as town, or that he knew that a scum wasn't on the table for a lynch yesterday, and so he started laying the groundwork for a successful endgame gambit for today in advance, at the end of the day.
2. Red's hammer to deny the town the vig-kill looks suspect, and it's been an absolute pain to drag scum-reads out of him. I accepted his meta excuse yesterday quickly - probably too quickly.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:25 pm
by Dechs Kaison
Ham, I see you reading.
I'm sorry, man. I knew you were town.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:26 pm
by Col. Khaddafi
I don't have a night shot any longer. I targeted imopen2 the beginning of day 2 but nothing happened.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:27 pm
by Col. Khaddafi
Sorry, I mean a Vig shot
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:29 pm
by Dechs Kaison
Remember the following:
1. Imopen didn't need to claim his ability yesterday, given what he knew. He claimed a very powerful role, then exposed himself to NK fire without fear. That reads like he was either trying to gambit to draw a NK towards himself, as town, or that he knew that a scum wasn't on the table for a lynch yesterday, and so he started laying the groundwork for a successful endgame gambit for today in advance, at the end of the day.
No. There are plenty of power roles out there and I know you said you were the prime scum NK target. There's Col. K with the claimed day-vig. Hell, if scum had any idea what I was building they'd have killed me before anyone.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:30 pm
by Dechs Kaison
Alright, that's off the table...
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:36 pm
by Azrael
Two questions must be answered.
CK: Do you have a day kill?
Az: Is your invention complete?
D1, I built a one-shot bullet-proof which successfully stopped the scum NK, I believe. No one else has claimed responsibility for stopping the scum NK.
D2, I built a one-shot kill delay. If I were targeted by a kill, the kill's effect would have been delayed until the following night. I didn't want the town to go into another day without me having the chance to figure out who the last scum was/were.
Would have liked to build another bullet proof instead, but didn't submit a plan for that because I figured Stardust wouldn't allow it to work again in a single day. As it happens, according to Stardust, I was running low on pieces of this type in my efforts to build the kill-delay device.
My other plan for yesterday was a RB, which I was going to try to use to stop the mafia NK by targeting Ham, if he didn't die.
From D1, my other plans were:
2. The ability to continue posting after my death, and to place a single vote.
3. And how long would it take to create a day-vig shot that if it targets a townie, kills them, but has no effect against a mafia player?
The latter was my attempt to create a 1-day build vig shot. Didn't work out, it was still a two-day build time. The plan #2 took three days, so that was out of the window.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:41 pm
by Azrael
I don't have a night shot any longer. I targeted imopen2 the beginning of day 2 but nothing happened.
Imopen, I thought you were building your investigation device on days 1 and 2? Care to explain why you were kill-immune?
While you're at it, I'd like to hear what all your alternative plans for day 1 and day 2 were.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:44 pm
by Azrael
D2, I built a one-shot kill delay. If I were targeted by a kill, the kill's effect would have been delayed until the following night. I didn't want the town to go into another day without me having the chance to figure out who the last scum was/were.
I also thought I might be able to trick Stardust a little bit with this. After he confirmed the build time of a single day for the advice, I asked him to confirm that my ability, based on how I had worded it, would allow the Nk to be subsequently countered by a doc protect on me, if it occurred the night the NK was to take effect.
Wouldn't have worked, Stardust said that he hadn't realized that was my intent, and that that device would require two days to build. So, I went with the original version, that took only a single day to build.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:46 pm
by Dechs Kaison
Two questions must be answered.
CK: Do you have a day kill?
Az: Is your invention complete?
D1, I built a one-shot bullet-proof which successfully stopped the scum NK, I believe. No one else has claimed responsibility for stopping the scum NK.
D2, I built a one-shot kill delay. If I were targeted by a kill, the kill's effect would have been delayed until the following night. I didn't want the town to go into another day without me having the chance to figure out who the last scum was/were.
Would have liked to build another bullet proof instead, but didn't submit a plan for that because I figured Stardust wouldn't allow it to work again in a single day.
As it happens, according to Stardust, I was running low on pieces of this type in my efforts to build the kill-delay device.
My other plan for yesterday was a RB, which I was going to try to use to stop the mafia NK by targeting Ham, if he didn't die.
From D1, my other plans were:
2. The ability to continue posting after my death, and to place a single vote.
3. And how long would it take to create a day-vig shot that if it targets a townie, kills them, but has no effect against a mafia player?
The latter was my attempt to create a 1-day build vig shot. Didn't work out, it was still a two-day build time. The plan #2 took three days, so that was out of the window.
You are a Master Builder. Imopen must be lying.
vote Imopen
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:49 pm
by Azrael
Well, that's probably GG to scum Imopen/red then, if he's not town gambitting. Don't really expect you guys to trust me over a cop investigation, even if it is at potential lylo and there's some minor details he's flubbed up with his claim and being randomly kill-immune for no good reason.
PPE: Sliver of hope, maybe?
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:54 pm
by Azrael
Full-claim: Shaquille O'Neal. My flavor references the 2002 NBA All-stars and basketball catapaults. No building specialty.
There's a pic of me in a Laker's uniform, number 34, with some cheesy smile on the left corner of my mouth, a pizza in my right hand, and two more pieces of pizza lying on my right and left. They both have brown handles, as if there's a piece of wood under them, one of those things used to pull pizzas out of the oven. Looks to be one of the Cloud Cuckoo land shots from the film, when they're in the assembly.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:56 pm
by Dechs Kaison
Well, that's probably GG to scum Imopen/red then, if he's not town gambitting. Don't really expect you guys to trust me over a cop investigation, even if it is at potential lylo and there's some minor details he's flubbed up with his claim and being randomly kill-immune for no good reason.
PPE: Sliver of hope, maybe?
I don't believe his cop investigation at all. I'm not fucking hanging Az. Twice now he's confirmed things that only Stardust would have told a master builder. I submitted the exact same plan (make someone else's thing build faster) and was given the same time to completion. I received the exact same wording (low on pieces) when I asked if I could build another copy of my invention.
Az is a Master Builder.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:59 pm
by Col. Khaddafi
Btw I'm Master Builder too
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:59 pm
by imopen2
At work, can't read all that bs az just posted. Here's a quick rundown of some things tho:
1. Stardust didn't tell me until night that I could only use one phrase. I'm not sure if he's willing to confirm that he told me that or not (probably not), and I can't quote him, so you'll just have to trust me that we had a misunderstanding.
2. You only need to look at az's reads on me to see that he is scum. He has called me town basically the whole game, and now, when I've caught him, suddenly everything I've done has scum motivation.
3. Az bussed GR behind his "I'm never wrong about scum" claims, then used that to mislynch ham (against most of our eater judgments), and now he's going to pull that card again to worm his way out I this.
4. LISTEN TO THE COP WHEN HE HAS A POSITIVE RESULT
5. I have no idea if scumbag is lying about Viging me or not, but I have no protection ability so it's either a gambit or someone saved me. Not my concern.
6. Everything az has said this game is circumstantial. "Scum do this, town does that." I have a mod confirmed scum and we need to lynch him.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:01 pm
by RedNihilist
tl;dr.
I have imopen as confirmed town.
Vote Azrael
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:03 pm
by Dechs Kaison
tl;dr.
I have imopen as confirmed town.
Vote Azrael
Can you elaborate?
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:04 pm
by Azrael
5. I have no idea if scumbag is lying about Viging me or not, but I have no protection ability so it's either a gambit or someone saved me. Not my concern.
Did anyone save Imopen's life at the beginning of day two?
If not, he's a confirmed liar.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:04 pm
by Col. Khaddafi
So its likely we have two scum left at this point? 3 scum overall in this game?
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:05 pm
by Dechs Kaison
So its likely we have two scum left at this point? 3 scum overall in this game?
It's believable. Town roles are extremely powerful with all the flexibility we've been given.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:07 pm
by Col. Khaddafi
OK then, do we all agree there is bound to be at least one scum in this list of Azrael, imopen2, and RedNihilist?
I'm torn between voting Az or imopen2
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:08 pm
by Dechs Kaison
I agree to that.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:09 pm
by Stardust
Votecount!
Azrael (2): imopen2, RedNihilist
imopen2 (1): Dechs Kaison
Not voting: Col. Khaddafi, Azrael, Lord_Mcdonalds
With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:10 pm
by imopen2
And, if you believed yesterday that you could use your ability during any phase, immediately, why would you ask us all to post the phrase in advance before you had finished building the item? Wouldn't the safe play and common sense play given what you knew would have been to wait, until today, to have everyone post their phrases and then use your ability? That way, your two-shot investigation wouldn't have been exposed to NK fire. But you didn't think that way, didn't worry about that, didn't try to keep your ability secret until it was ready. Why?
You're lying for sure, the only question is whether you're gambiting, or scum.
Ok this makes no sense. The invention was ready last night. In order to use it, I need the phrases in the game thread for me to use it right when the invention was complete..
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:11 pm
by RedNihilist
tl;dr.
I have imopen as confirmed town.
Vote Azrael
Can you elaborate?
I have checked his sentence, he didn't lie about being town.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:12 pm
by Col. Khaddafi
So if we lynch Az and he flips town, we can go after imopen2 or would that set us back innaceptably?