[Fedoras of Salvation] - White Knights ITT

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 11:30 pm

Anyone played Jeskai? My heart says to play it, but my mind says Temur or Mardu.

hamfactorial · Postby **hamfactorial** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:29 am

I played Smash Bros on the GameCube at a party but didn't know any of the controls, promptly got destroyed, didn't bother following up.

#Xand2

Tyrael · Postby **Tyrael** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:39 am

Val, I played Jeskai and it worked out fine (promo was Jeskai Ascendancy)

I did have a black splash for Ankle Shanker and Mardu Ascendancy which certainly helped

DarthStabber · Postby **DarthStabber** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 2:40 am

Did the cards start tripping youn out?

They did, but not in the way you think. I couldn't focus on the moment because my brain was sick on how they would have interacted in all the other games I've played in the past.

Christen · Postby **Christen** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 3:45 am

Just don't play Sultai because worst deck to make for a PR.

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:34 am

4 Sylvan Caryatid
4 Courser of Kruphix
4 Siege Rhino
4 Fleecemane Lion

3 Elspeth, Sun's Champion
4 Nissa, Worldwaker

4 Abzan Charm
4 Thoughtseize
4 Hero's Downfall

4 Sandsteppe Citadel
4 Llanowar Wastes
4 Temple of Silence
1 Temple of Plenty
4 Windswept Heath
3 Forest
2 Plains
2 Swamp
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth

Sideboard
4 Drown in Sorrow
2 Read the Bones
2 Brimaz
2 Arbor Colossus
2 Deicide
3 Anafenza, the Foremost

First list I'm comfortable enough with after testing to post.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:03 am

Seems fine, just really hard to get used to a deck with 12 ways to interact on the first two turns of the game being good.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:06 am

Val, I played Jeskai and it worked out fine (promo was Jeskai Ascendancy)

I did have a black splash for Ankle Shanker and Mardu Ascendancy which certainly helped

The vast majority of sealed generator runs I've done with Jeskai have needed a small fourth color splash due to lack of power. That is my main concern. Some of them have even eschewed the clan altogether.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:14 am

Took down the prerelease with Mardu. For the horde!

TBuzzsaw · Postby **TBuzzsaw** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:44 am

I went 3-1 at pre-release and pulled a foil Windswept Heath.

4 Sylvan Caryatid
4 Courser of Kruphix
4 Siege Rhino
4 Fleecemane Lion

3 Elspeth, Sun's Champion
4 Nissa, Worldwaker

4 Abzan Charm
4 Thoughtseize
4 Hero's Downfall

4 Sandsteppe Citadel
4 Llanowar Wastes
4 Temple of Silence
1 Temple of Plenty
4 Windswept Heath
3 Forest
2 Plains
2 Swamp
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth

Sideboard
4 Drown in Sorrow
2 Read the Bones
2 Brimaz
2 Arbor Colossus
2 Deicide
3 Anafenza, the Foremost

First list I'm comfortable enough with after testing to post.

What do you think about Despise in the side? It seems to be good for the amount of midrange decks theres probably going to be.

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:50 am

Despise is an excellent card and a fine way to attack the meta. I definitely considered it. Hiwever, much like MBC mirrors last season; there's going to be heaps of 1-for-1 trading and discard us bad in a top deck situation; I've emphasised top decks as much as possible to battle through that. Despise coukd replace read the bones in the board, but I like read more in midrangewars.format

Jedi_Knight · Postby **Jedi_Knight** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:58 am

4-2 on the back of triple Ponyback Brigade and double Trumpet Blast. Stomped over anything that had mana problems, died to Mardu decks that had better pool (meaning useful one drops and removal, which I lacked. Also got double smashed by our Khan). Should have just transformed into control there, the black 2/8 for five and Sidisi's Pet are immensely useful, as is the white 2/5 with Outlast.

Opened Sarkhan in prize packs, so that's fine with me.

Tyrael · Postby **Tyrael** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 1:37 pm

Val, I played Jeskai and it worked out fine (promo was Jeskai Ascendancy)

I did have a black splash for Ankle Shanker and Mardu Ascendancy which certainly helped
The vast majority of sealed generator runs I've done with Jeskai have needed a small fourth color splash due to lack of power. That is my main concern. Some of them have even eschewed the clan altogether.

Yes, I think the clan is a ton of fun when it works out but as far as raw power is concerned you're better off
picking something else

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 2:35 pm

[deck]BUG Control[/deck]
Creatures
4 Sylvan Caryatid
4 Courser of Kruphix
2 Sagu Mauler

Planeswalkers
3 Kiora, the Crashing Wave
2 Nissa, Worldwaker

Spells
3 Dig Through Time
4 Sultai Charm
4 Hero's Downfall
3 Bile Blight
2 Murderous Cut
2 Sultai Ascendancy
3 Thoughtseize

Lands
4 Opulent Palace
3 Temple of Malady
4 Polluted Delta
2 Windswept Heath
2 Swamp
2 Island
3 Forest
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 Temple of Deceit

Sideboard
2 AEtherspouts
1 Nissa, Worldwaker
3 Drown in Sorrow
2 Unravel the AEther
3 Negate
1 Bile Blight
2 Pharika's Cure
1 Murderous Cut
[/deck]

Second Harkius · Postby **Second Harkius** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:37 pm

ive given up on mtg but that deck looks fun to play

Jack · Postby **Jack** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:20 pm

6 fetches; 7 basics. That's fine. By the time you're out of basics, that fetchland is a dead draw anyway.

windstrider · Postby **windstrider** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:17 am

I went 2-2 with Mardu today. No real bombs to speak of, so I went with a token them backed by removal and combat tricks. Hordeling Outburst was the standout star.

While the deck was kinda poor, I did walk away with three fetch-lands: Bloodstained Mire and two Polluted Delta. And I got a Clever Impersonator. So not a bad haul.

Christen · Postby **Christen** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:24 am

>three fetch-lands
>"So not a bad haul."

That is the biggest understatement of the week for me so far.

windstrider · Postby **windstrider** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:36 am

>three fetch-lands
>"So not a bad haul."

That is the biggest understatement of the week for me so far.

LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:57 am

I wouldn't run fetches with just barely enough lands to fetch. You at least have an out in Urborg, but I don't think the potential for dead draws is worth it.

The Fetches Fuel dredge and when you have multiple coursers out, they form a pseudo lifegain engine.

LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:46 am

Even with that being the case, if you look at Z's list, there's a non-trivial amount of filtering to avoid having dead draws.

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:52 am

I have more basics than fetches and multiple ways to bottom excess fetches; also Urborg. I doubt it's going to come up in this list, though in general I'd concur that many lists are a little greedy.

Sultai Ascendancy is the real deal.

I'll keep posting lists as they're tested and worthwhile.

Kaitscralt · Postby **Kaitscralt** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:59 am

LP, of the Fires · Postby **LP, of the Fires** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:07 am

Yeah, Ascendancy is very good card filtering.

Purp · Postby **Purp** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:37 am

Been enjoying your devotion list LP, but man do I need practice with the sequencing. Need to learn when each 2 drop should be played. If you have rabble and hammer in hand are you just always wanting to jam rabble? Also, I am wondering if we can cut nykthos down to two.

Also been testing your mono b aggro list, it's solid, but not sure I like it early on against all the expected rabble. Speaking of rabble, I wonder what variant is the best. I like Owens list with the hordeling outburst or a more heroic boss sligh style similar to Todd's. Hopefully I get some time to test.

Been playing a ur artifact deck that is a lot of fun and actually has game vs midrange. The version I ha was a bit soft to aggro but that can easily be remedied.

I need to test my big red list, I still think it has good game for states.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:46 am

Thoughts on BBDs Mardu Midrange? It appeals to me very much, but I think the creature count is a bit low.

I preordered all the stuff I wanted from Khans today. Less than a hundred bucks. Pick up RG fetches when I can.

At the prerelease, between my pool and prize packs I got:

Windswept Heath
Foil Zurgo
2x Wingmate Roc
bloodsoaked champion
Surrak
Utter End
foil rattleclaw mystic
see the unwritten
foil master of pearls
savage knuckleblade

Pretty good haul.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:52 am

Won my prerelease with Mardu.

TBuzzsaw · Postby **TBuzzsaw** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:15 am

Naya Walkers:

[deck]
Creatures
4 Sylvan Caryatid
3 Courser of Kruphix
2 Polukranos, World Eater
1 Stormbreath Dragon

Planeswalkers
2 Elspeth, Sun's Champion
2 Ajani, Mentor of Heroes
2 Sarkhan, The Dragon Speaker
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
3 Xenagos, The Reveler

Spells
4 End Hostilities
4 Banishing Light
4 Lightning Strike
2 Crater's Claws

Lands
3 Temple of Abandon
3 Temple of Plenty
3 Temple of Triumph
2 Battlefield Forge
2 Windswept Heath
3 Wooded Foothills
2 Mana Confluence
4 Forest
3 Mountain
1 Plains

Sideboard
4 Nyx Fleece Ram
2 Nylea's Disciple
3 Anger of the Gods
2 Deicide
2 Nissa, Worldwaker
2 Suspension Field[/deck]

It's more of a control build that's suppose to mirror Jund Walkers. I wanted to run 4 End Hostilities since I can board wipe without much consequence since Xenagos and Elspeth just pumps out more tokens. It's also the reason
why Nissa is in the side. Polukranos has synergy with Xenagos for Monstrocity if I need it. Crater is my Rakdos's Return replacement and works well also with Xenagos, Polukranos, and Sarkhan. The single Stormbreath is to counter the white removals that hit Sarkhan.

In the side, Anger will come out against the faster aggro decks while most of my creatures can survive it. Jund Walkers had a problem with aggro, but I feel Naya Walkers have it covered post sideboard.

Lightning_Dolt · Postby **Lightning_Dolt** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:58 am

Here's what I want to role with on Friday:

[deck] Mardu Midrange LD Tweak[/deck]

Heavily inspired by BBD's latest build, but with a few personal choices. Any suggestions to help clean up the manabase?

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:41 am

http://www.channelfireball.com/articles ... oros-burn/

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:42 am

Yeah, Ascendancy is very good card filtering.

It's also mana advantage with Delve or card advantage with Courser of Kruphix.

Alex · Postby **Alex** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 6:00 am

Didn't play any Magic this weekend, regret nothing.

Platypus · Postby **Platypus** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:59 am

I didn't play any Magic either. Ran a half marathon in sandals instead, regret nothing.

zemanjaski · Postby **zemanjaski** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:05 pm

Spec on Dig Through Time if you can get it for ~$1 or less; make sure you have a full playset of Treasure Cruise too.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:40 pm

I'm going to try to gobble up as many foil Treasure Cruise as I can.

rcwraspy · Postby **rcwraspy** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:49 pm

in case anybody's been watching the Vintage Super League, featuring players like Randy Buehler, LSV, Tom Martell, Wraptor, Bob Maher, EFro and more, I made a thread about it in the Vintage forums.

windstrider · Postby **windstrider** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:46 pm

I'm thinking that [card]Ajani's Pridemate[/card] is going to be fairly bonkers in the new format. Good interactions with Soldier of the Pantheon, Nyx-Fleece Ram, Abzan Falconer, and High Sentinels of Arashin.

Platypus · Postby **Platypus** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:53 pm

Spec on Dig Through Time if you can get it for ~$1 or less; make sure you have a full playset of Treasure Cruise too.

I could've got them for 0,50€ first when my go-to place put them out for pre-order. Didn't order any, and 1-2 days later they didn't have any for sale and now they're five times as expensive...

Self Medicated · Postby **Self Medicated** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 6:00 pm

I'm still super happy about getting my playset of Rabblemaster for $0.78 each.

Valdarith · Postby **Valdarith** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 6:03 pm

I just wish I had gotten more than four.

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