Gone Postal Mafia - Game Over - Scum Win

[Jack]

I know something.
But I'm not saying anything for now.
Let's hang Wraith, shall we?

So who did you use your night action on? Me, Ham, or the intended recipient of Ham's mail?

[Jack]

So, here's where I'm at. I'm willing to lynch any one of these three people right now:

1. Ham's bomb target - because likely protected scum.
2. MoJo - Safe lynch. Worst case, it's a non-contributing townie and we've lost nothing of value.
3. Wraith - I think this case has been laid out well enough.


My first day I pushed a wagon that failed, then I voted on the wrong wagon the next day. I don't want to make another mistake.

1: We don't know who that is yet
2: I'd like the replacement to at least make a few posts before we do this. We don't have too many day phases left.
3: Not yet, but as of now he's our best lynch choice.

[Jack]

But if we find out who 1 is, we should lynch him Day 4.

[Jack]

Or today, if we can.

[Wraith223]

Another thought, What if someone else signed the letter? Jack for instance could have created a self confirming letter. Just a theory.

What would it confirm, aside from the fact that I received mail 20 or so days ago from a player no longer in the game?

Uhhhh, I think my mail was either made up was from InflateablePie meant for someone else. I think scum got my mail or some towny is not admitting it.

Did anyone track me or watch my mail last night?

Here is
another thought: what if scum "returned to sender" the letter bomb from ham? Didn't MoJo somehow claim/use that ability? Jack protecting him could have caused the bomb to not work?

[Wraith223]

Damn Jack. pushing a lynch much?

[Dechs Kaison]

Of course we don't know Ham's target yet. I'm saying that regardless of who that is, I'm willing to lynch him. I'm very certain that the only way that person could have survived the bomb is by being protected scum. This is my number one choice to lynch.

For MoJo, we don't even have a replacement yet. I was willing to lynch him yesterday, anyway. His hammer vote right after Ham's post, then trying to make him look really bad for it screams scum to me. This is my number two choice to lynch.

[Jack]

Another thought, What if someone else signed the letter? Jack for instance could have created a self confirming letter. Just a theory.

What would it confirm, aside from the fact that I received mail 20 or so days ago from a player no longer in the game?

Here is another thought: what if scum "returned to sender" the letter bomb from ham? Didn't MoJo somehow claim/use that ability? Jack protecting him could
have caused the bomb to not work?

Nope. Ham was untargetable. Anything that would fuck up his ability had to be used on whomever Ham chose to mail last night.

[Dechs Kaison]

Ham, MoJo's the only one who hasn't had input in this round. Now's as good a time as any to tell us who your target was.

Ha. I guess that kind of means that MoJo was your target, since you were waiting for more people to weigh in before claiming that. Am I right?

[Jack]

Of course we don't know Ham's target yet. I'm saying that regardless of who that is, I'm willing to lynch him. I'm very certain that the only way that person could have survived the bomb is by being protected scum. This is my number one choice to lynch.

For MoJo, we don't even have a replacement yet. I was willing to lynch him yesterday, anyway. His hammer vote right after Ham's post, then trying to make him look really bad for it screams scum to me. This is my number two choice to lynch.

Agree with the first point. I think wraith is more likely to be scum than Jones, but that could change, which is why we shouldn't put anyone to l-1 until we hear from MoJo's replacement.

[Wraith223]

Another thought, What if someone else signed the letter? Jack for instance could have created a self confirming letter. Just a theory.

What would it confirm, aside from the fact that I received mail 20 or so days ago from a player no longer in the game?

Here is
another thought: what if scum "returned to sender" the letter bomb from ham? Didn't MoJo somehow claim/use that ability? Jack protecting him could have caused the bomb to not work?

Nope. Ham was untargetable. Anything that would fuck up his ability had to be used on whomever Ham chose to mail last night.

So it would have to be a global ability? Like in MTG. So here are some ideas what could affect the mail globally.

1. Return all mail to sender- That can't be as I got X or Pie's sent mail.
2. All mail is lost- we got mail
3. Mail was mixed up- sounds good and explains Ham and Jack's claim.

Anyone have any ideas for global mail affects that could have messed up their plan? This is a mystery that needs to be solved.

[Jack]

It wouldn't be a global mail effect. I think Ham chose a scum player, and scum had either a doctor or someone immune to vig shots.

[Wraith223]

Unvote

I believe Jack and Ham. A global affect could have messed with their plans.

This game is hard and weird.

MoJo seems the better target and after Ham laid down the challenge for not giving the reason we should vote ham; we have not heard from MoJo since.

[Dechs Kaison]

It wouldn't be a global mail effect. I think Ham chose a scum player, and scum had either a doctor or someone immune to vig shots.

Agreed.

Seriously, Wraith, you're a moron.

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@Mod - Can we just put the game on hold until we get the replacement?

[Jack]

Ham needs to claim who he sent mail to before the day ends.

[hamfactorial]

Ok, I think I've seen enough from the players. I'm heading back to work now from lunch, I'll post up an explanation of who I targeted and why I chose that player (it was down to 2).

[Jack]

Ham, post the exact words in your message now.

[Jack]

Or rather, your entire PM to Stardust last Night.

[Jack]

You're still browsing, and I don't want you to have time to make something up.

[Wraith223]

who did ham target then? The only answers to the problem I see are:

1. scum messed up the mail globally- I received someone else's mail. Inflateablepie could have been killed or Ham got his own mail (Jack Protected him), The mod said Pie was killed by paper cuts. Was that the letter bomb or scum? Did Scum even NK last night?
2. Scum Doc- That would mean there are more Vigs or a Serial killer as well (there are real world serial killers that were mail men)
3. There is a town Doc beyond Jack who saved me.

For once, Jack is right. HAM PLEASE SHOW THE MOD REQUEST.

[Jack]

Maybe Wraith was a scum roleblocker and targeted me, since he didn't want anything to interfere with the NK.

[Dechs Kaison]

Maybe Wraith was a scum roleblocker and targeted me, since he didn't want anything to interfere with the NK.

No way, you already claimed your action was confirmed successful.

You got awfully twitchy all of a sudden.

[Jack]

No, that wouldn't work, because Ham said he never had his letter returned.

[Jack]

Maybe Wraith was a scum roleblocker and targeted me, since he didn't want anything to interfere with the NK.

No way, you already claimed your action was confirmed successful.

You got awfully twitchy all of a sudden.

Right. Forgot about that bit

[hamfactorial]

Ham, post the exact words in your message now.

Why?

[Jack]

Well, it wouldn't put you at risk for anything and would make everyone here certain that what you claim to have done last night would be true, since you would have no time to create a false letter.

[hamfactorial]

It wouldn't prove anything, plus my PM was so short that it could easily be made up. I'm back from lunch, going to take a bathroom break and write my post.

[hamfactorial]

Last night I was thinking of the players who I would have liked to vig, and had this short list: Wraith, LMD, MoJo, Dechs.

I excluded the players who I mentioned in my proposal (Jack, Red) and the obvious town reads and dead players (rez, raspy, io2)

I suspected Wraith because of his awful day 2 hammer and a roleblocker claim.

I've suspected LMD because of lurky behavior and next to no contribution.

I've suspected MoJo for the same reasons, plus the scum-aligned reasoning for the day 1 hammer of raspy and subsequent attempts to paint me as scum with my "refusal" to vote.

I've suspected Dechs because Suga was an old scum read of mine and nothing he's posted has changed that. He posts more regularly, but I hadn't seen anything particularly pro-town going into night 2.

From those, I picked Wraith and LMD and decided between them which would limit the downside risk if I hit town.

Wraith had
posted continuously since the beginning of the game, in addition had made a semi-verifiable claim. If the vig failed and I left him alive, he would be available to explain himself the next day, or talk himself into a corner. Plus, his behavior and demeanor has matched his old town games.

LMD has been fairly inactive, made a semi-claim of being able to send 2 letters, but had otherwise not stuck out much. If I hit him and he was town, we wouldn't lose much.

I chose to send the following letter to LMD:

Your head asplode!

Yours,
ham

with instructions to Stardust that I intended to use my letter bomb ability with that message.

LMD was quick to vote for Wraith early today, but hasn't said anything in the following 2 pages.

[Cursed_Pride]

I received no mail from anybody.

-I think we're getting too bogged down in mechanics discussion. I'm going to try and reread the game soon, and that and massclaim should solve this game.

RedNihilist: Did you receive mail?

[Dechs Kaison]

It wouldn't prove anything, plus my PM was so short that it could easily be made up. I'm back from lunch, going to take a bathroom break and write my post.

Exactly. Anyone that got the bomb wouldn't be alive to confirm your wording unless they were the protected scum, in which case they wouldn't confirm your wording anyway.

Jack, your odd demand here looks awfully scummy, especially with that little slip where you were trying to push the Wraith lynch by saying he could have role blocked you after you already claimed that your cloak action was confirmed.

[Jack]

That last bit was just spitballing. I was having a good train of thought, and just posting whatever popped up in my head. But yeah, that was a mistake.

[Dechs Kaison]

Hey Jack, you said earlier you were willing to lynch Ham's target. Knowing that it was LMD, are you willing to vote now? MoJo's input isn't needed anymore since he wasn't the actual target.

Hey Ham, I know you're willing to lynch LMD. You must be if you were willing to bomb him.

LMD was my first wagon and I haven't lost any suspicion on him since then. Rez was pushing him, Rez is now confirmed town. I'll take up that torch again.

Vote LMD

[Jack]

Sure.
Vote Lord_McDonalds

[hamfactorial]

Yup, I'm willing to vote LMD. Pie's letter was suspicious of him as well (by PoE) which I found notable.

I'd like to hear from Red since he claims to know things about things, and my info is out now.

[Mcdonalds]

Ham, if that happened, why didn't you open with a vote on me, why didn't you start the day with a vote on me?

Decks do you actually have a case on me beyond "well Rez thought he was scum...."

[Cursed_Pride]

-Please stop moving your votes around.

I'd hate for another quickhammer to happen when the day's only just begun.

[Dechs Kaison]

Well now my case is that you spelled my name wrong.

I do have a case on you, and it was never just "Rez thought he was scum." Give me a minute and I'll dig it up and repeat it.

[hamfactorial]

LMD:

I wanted you to feel free to contribute without feeling in danger.

[Dechs Kaison]

And I imagine Ham didn't vote for you right out of the gate because he didn't want to give it away that you were the target.

[Dechs Kaison]

-Please stop moving your votes around.

I'd hate for another quickhammer to happen when the day's only just begun.

I never moved a vote around, I just started the wagon on LMD. You can relax, he only has 2 votes.

Seriously, another quickhammer is probably the best thing for us. Talk about an obvious scum tell at this point.