Dies to Removal

poppa_f

What do you guys think about a singleton Keening Apparition main deck? In my current meta I'm expecting to play mainly G/R, MBC and U/w control, so it has a decentish range against all 3 (courser of kruphrix, underworld connections+whip, detention sphere+blind obedience). Even if it whiffs on enchan...

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FWF sucks. Lifebane is better. my problem with FWP is that the "no tribute penalty" is an ETB trigger, so if you play it and I have lightning bolt or helix, I don't pay the tribute and then in response to the ETB trigger I just bolt it. LBZ is a house, especially with B/W and Ephara decks...

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I still can't decide between R/w, R/b and dega for burn post-BotG. R/w means I can play Chained to the Rocks, Boros Charm, Assemble the Legion, Boros Reckoner and Warleader's Helix. CttR is probably going to get worse as people play more enchantment hate (plenty of decks playing revoke existence and...

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Also quite like this list. It gets round the problem of Drown in Sorrow by having a lot of "1-shot" creatures like Viashino and Spark Trooper. I also like the idea of Boros charming Spark trooper, although in practice you won't make the 5th land drop and have both cards in hand that often....

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Thinking of playing this next week. The local meta is pretty heavy on the control/midrange decks, so the sideboard is more tuned towards those match-ups. If you're expecting to face lot of control decks then move satyr firedancer to sideboard and SFD to main, would also play ash zealot over YP (bas...

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Nah boarding in glare is fine. I've seen those guys sideboard in things like Fiendslayer and Archangel of Thune for game 2, also Elspeth. It's rare that you won't have targets for it (the thing I hate game two against those guys is sin collector out of the board)

poppa_f

Yeah I see where you're coming from, but I always fancy my chances against green anyway, whereas the matches I find harder (MBD and U/w), zealot is better. Also I prefer the "bait and switch" effect you get from going full Aggro, to control for game 2, so need the zealots in game 1 to sell...

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dega midrange-burn, haven't had much playtesting yet. went 3-0 against rw burn and 1-1 against mbd preboard the only chance I had to play it. I did pick up an obz recently that I'd like to try in my list, but there's nothing that I want to cut right now. Creature (14) 2x Blood Baron of Vizkopa 2x B...

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So this is what I'm thinking for post-BotG meta (weighted a bit towards my local meta, which is heavier on G/x for some reason): [deck]Creatures:18 2 Firedrinker Satyr 4 Rakdos Cackler 4 Ash Zealot 4 Chandra's Phoenix 4 Stormbreath Dragon Spells:17 3 Chained to the Rocks 3 Boros Charm 4 Lightning St...

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That said, last night I played the ephara list josh silvestri put up on channel fireball a few days back and Brimaz is a house, so it is tempting to run more white sources to try and jam him and the Elspeth in

poppa_f

Interesting deck made 4-0 in daily. Post BtG reincarnation of Boros Tokens: http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/221643 Do you think it can compete in mono black / Bw metagame? (35% of meta is black based control) I've been mulling over playing this sort of deck for a while now. I think it would be comp...

poppa_f

game two against Mono-black is going to be tricky when they side in their LBZ's and drown in sorrows

poppa_f

...or dare I say fated conflagration out of the board

(I know you guys aren't massively keen, but B/W is the one match up where you'd be pretty happy to topdeck it if they have Ghost Dad in play)

poppa_f

@poppa_f: Rw Token was weak vs Bx Devotion and Control in the old meta, it hasn't improved much - so I'm not sure why you believe its the correct choice against the very same two list it was originally weak against. Against B/x my previous game plan was to play aggro and a plan B of assemble. I thi...

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I'm with Val tbh, I don't want to run fire-dancer full stop, as it's weak against black and U/w, which is a sizable portion of the meta. So, just to make sure I understand the argument against UW: 1) Satyr Firedancer is bad maindeck against UW because it is creature removal 2) Therefore, I'm going ...

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I'm with Val tbh, I don't want to run fire-dancer full stop, as it's weak against black and U/w, which is a sizable portion of the meta. My current plan is to either run token strategy with YP/brimaz/purphoros/elspeth/assemble, or a W/R aggro deck running YP/soldier of the pantheon/brimaz/eidolon/ph...

poppa_f

With 4 firedancers I'd consider running Searing Blood and Chandra's Outrage. The first post BotG tournament just finished and the main archetypes were MBD, Mono-u, G/R Monsters and U/w control. I've looked through the decklists and very few creatures are under 3 toughness (this is what you would exp...

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I think the best sideboard tech against U/w is to bring in 4 Spirit of the Labyrinth. That deck is already playing 4 boros charm main, so as long as you can keep one alive then turns Sphinx's rev in to a very expensive stream of life, and a 3/1 body for 2 mana is pretty sweet against U/w in itself

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I can see where Val is coming from, I did feel a bit disillusioned when the new black sweepers were initially spoiled, as I like playing fast beatdown decks, and that strategy is definitely going to be weaker now. That said, I disagree that R/x is no longer tier 1. My gut feel is that R/b is the bes...

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What do you guys think about Herald of Torment in the R/b list? The life loss isn't such a big deal unless you are playing against red or aggro and good for tempo if you use it as a bestow (also bestowed on to Exava is pretty sweet, as very few creatures can kill her blocking)

poppa_f

Fated conflagration for obzedat and other 5 toughness fatties
Satyr Firedancer for G/x (and combos nicely with searing blood)
Revoke existence for opposing gods

poppa_f

The Dos Rakis list would be best in that meta. Against B/x and UW you'll want an explosive start and against G/R a ton of terror-effect removal, Dos Rakis does all of these well. As a bonus you get Toil // Trouble out of the board, which is a beating for control

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I'm also worried about the new RG god, he seems very powerful - almost to the point where I may run Revoke Existence. . . It's a healthy fear. I've played against it in proxy games and it's seriously brutal. If it becomes a staple in the Gruul archetype then revoke existence will be mandatory sideb...

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@poppa_f: I don't understand the logic in removing BBV G2-3 vs Bx Devotion... they can't even target it with with anything beside flesh which they'll keep as a 4x through all 3 games.

Because they sideboard in all of their lifebane zombies

poppa_f

@pedros- I was thinking about something similar today but reversed. Against black start with high power white creatures (for my deck it would be Brimaz, but for dega BBoV) then board them out and Chandra in for 2nd game, when they side in their LBZ and creature hate, which can now only hit phoenix o...

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Went 5-0 at the BotG pre-release :) All I can say is Fellhide Spiritbinder is an absolute beating in Limited. Ended up choosing red, which worked out pretty well as I had searing blood, lightning strike and Bolt of Keranos, plus two Time to Feed, on top of a load of a nice curve of R/G creatures. Ga...

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It means they get 2-4-1'd more often (the flyers and MoW all get hit by it), but I guess that isn't the end of the world for them

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@poppa_f: It looks decent enough (I would cut 3x Mountains, 1x Vaults and add 4x Plains), are you building your list to fight against Red? I'm not sure what advantages this build will provide you against Ux or Bx compared to Rw. It's not a specific metagame play, I just want to see if Brimaz and Ei...

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I've been toying with a BotG deck that is along similar lines to Pyroskies (smaller curve + early beatdown + late game reach). The idea is that you get a lot of creatures and enchantments on to the board via YP/Brimaz tokens, chained and mutavault, then suit up a phoenix (or Brimaz / Soldier of the ...

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I noticed Conley Woods wrote a piece for tcg player this week discussing some different big boros decks: http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/article.asp?ID=11624

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Maybe Purphoros out of the board could be a good hedge against black, in the sense that the ETB damage from Assemble will mitigate the tokens all getting removed. I wonder also if ratchet bomb could be useful for that matchup. Tick it up to 3 counters as insurance against pack rat, but also catches ...

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Went 3-1 at LGS standard last night with this 75: [deck]Land (25) 2x Plains 11x Mountain 4x Mutavault 4x Sacred Foundry 4x Temple of Triumph Sorcery (2) 2x Mizzium Mortars Enchantment (3) 3x Chained to the Rocks Planeswalker (2) 2x Chandra, Pyromaster Instant (12) 4x Lightning Strike 4x Magma Jet 2x...

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Went 3-2 at FNM losing to Gruul Aggro and Esper Aggro and beating 2x gruul Aggro and Dega midrange. Esper is so tough with Obzedat, fated conflagration can't come soon enough.

For some reason my local meta has gone really heavily green. What would be the best Deck to exploit this?

poppa_f

I'm a bit underwhelmed by the red cards in BotG. Can see some potential sideboard cards, but not sure anything is main deckable except Fated Conflagration (in place of Mortars as removal for fatties like Obzedat, SBD, Polukranos, Worm token). Nice bonus that it deals with any Planeswalker (except Vr...

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Yeah the fact that he deals the damage means you get blown out if he's removed while the trigger's on the stack, so probably doesn't work against black so well. The synergy with cards like searing blood is pretty amazing though (RR instant: deal 5 damage to target creature and 3 to target player). W...

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OMG
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I thought of quite a good potential combo for BotG last night: Spirit of the Labyrinth + Chandra = you draw 2 cards a turn, opponent can only draw 1 card per turn unless they have a Chandra/Domri/Jace (so basically hoses Sphinx, Underworld connections, Read the Bones, Divination etc). Play 4 Boros C...

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I was wondering the other day if it's worth playing more white sources so you can play Soldier of the Pantheon MB in place of cackler. He's good against U/w, as they can't Azorius charm or D-sphere him. He's also a brick wall against Selesnya, blocks Voice, voice token, Smiter, Fleecemane lion and a...

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Similar story for me, I played in my LGS "win a box" tournament. 5 rounds followed by top 8, 30-40 players. I played MDU's Big Boros list with 1 change: I was short 1 Helix, so I played 3rd Chandra instead: [deck]Creature (18) 4x Ash Zealot 4x Chandra's Phoenix 2x Firedrinker Satyr 4x Rakd...

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I don't think you want the 3rd Chandra if your meta is infested with R/x devotion, G/x devotion and GW since I'll just board her out Which match ups are you boarding her out in? In the PyroSkies version I leave her in for every match-up, even R/x; G/x and GW, in those match-ups I'm playing control ...

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