Dies to Removal

posed this to mtgsalvation but figured this is a batter place for the red mages to gather

disagree he isn't BAD after a board wipe, he is still a prescience on the table after a wipe, also he gives every guy you play after the wipe a psudo haste. reminds me of hellrider in some ways and is actually better then oger battledriver since it is more resilient to removal. I thik he is a 3 of, you want to draw him on turn 4 but don't want to see another one after that most likely.



Hammer is a bit of a different animal, it reminds me of fires to a degree. its a lot better then ferver, and it is a good mana sink when we flood. if and how many we play
depends on how the format shapes up.



my initial mono red list is as follows

[DECK]

4 Rackdos Cackler

4 Foundry Street Denizen

4 Legion Loyalist

4 Burning-Tree Emissary

4 Young Pyromancer

4 Chandras Phoenix

3 Purphoros, God of the Forge



4 Shock

4 Magma jet

2 Dynacharge

1 SkullCrack



18 Mountains

4 Mutavault



Sideboard

3 Skullcrack

3 Burning Earth

3 Flames of the Firebrand

3 Mizzim Mortars

2 Hammer of Purphoros

1 Smelt

[/DECK]





notes

lack of ash zealot, I LOVE LOVE LOVE me some ash zealot, he is just kind of hard to cast for this deck, the trade off between him and BTE is close it could easly become zealot over BTE.



No firefist.....-_- I love this guy I just couldn't find a slot for him yet and it makes me a sad panda. more tstign will say if this is right or not.



I am torn on Young Pyromancer she seems strong, but I don't know yet more testing is needed. she seems insane with Purphoros out
and may lead to some form of combo burn deck, like pyromancer turn 2 or 3 turn 4 purphoros turn 5 shock jet mugging ect burn to the dome, make guys.



the side is obv tenitive, smelt seems out of place at first but we do need a answer to Bow of Nylea and trading post decks.

if Saito was main decking Burning Earth then he's gone down a terrible path and I hope he comes back to us someday

I don't think its to early yet to start brewing, its pretty easy to flesh out the shells of decks. its pretty obvious there is a R/X or mono red deck here, its never to early to start seeing how the cards currently known interact with the previous set, thus far very well. am I assuming this is a final build? of course not but its a shell we can start building from. as spoilers keep coming in by starting to brew now we will have a slight general read of whats strong based on what we have already worked. in short I am trying to lay the ground work, a base foundation, a outline and will adjust as more and more is reveled.

from what I been playing around with voice and the 0/3 mana wall are both a bit of a problem, jund dosnt look like much of a problem honestly, unless it pulls in some REDIC creatures it just seems to lose its base, tusk, huntmaster, Olivia, bonfire, all gone. this leaves a nice midrange vacuum that unless something fills it I think jund is close to dead, that said it is possible it can exist ina mana ramp form with the wall and the plains walker fulling big craterhoofs and Polukranos and rakdos returns, unless of course something new comes up to swing it back midrange/controlish and less rampish.

Seriusly if you don't like discussion of post rotation cards and formats your better off being back over at mtgsalavation, its not frowned on here and you don't need to repeat your self everytime some one posts about the new set if you dont like the speculation don't read it.

So what your saying is this thread has a different standard then say the dos rekies thread were we are already discussing theros, and it for some reason offends a couple of you cuz your such hard ass red players that we can't discuss them in this thread......right?

Well in that case Alex go tell all the people in dos rekis to shut up about our brews cuz wow we are in the wrong thread right.?

from what I been playing around with voice and the 0/3 mana wall are both a bit of a problem, jund dosnt look like much of a problem honestly, unless it pulls in some REDIC creatures it just seems to lose its base, tusk, huntmaster, Olivia, bonfire, all gone. this leaves a nice midrange vacuum that unless something fills it I think jund is close to dead, that said it is possible it can exist ina mana ramp form with the wall and the plains walker fulling big craterhoofs and Polukranos and rakdos returns, unless of course something new comes up to swing it back midrange/controlish and less rampish.[/
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We don't know know if jund will be a deck yet because we haven't seen enough spoiled yet. It obviously won't exist in it's current form but it may take on a new form. Again, too early to know.

What pissed me off is posts like this, obviously not reading what i say and what I said had substance and was relevant towards working on a deck it was a observation of what jund lost and based on current knowledge were it may adapt to, if people are going to make dismissve comments with out reading just because "they don't think something belongs here" I'm gonna snap back at them.

from what I been playing around with voice and the 0/3 mana wall are both a bit of a problem, jund dosnt look like much of a problem honestly, unless it pulls in some REDIC creatures it just seems to lose its base, tusk, huntmaster, Olivia, bonfire, all gone. this leaves a nice midrange vacuum that unless something fills it I think jund is close to dead, that said it is possible it can exist ina mana ramp form with the wall and the plains
walker fulling big craterhoofs and Polukranos and rakdos returns, unless of course something new comes up to swing it back midrange/controlish and less rampish.

We don't know know if jund will be a deck yet because we haven't seen enough spoiled yet. It obviously won't exist in it's current form but it may take on a new form. Again, too early to know.

What pissed me off is posts like this, obviously not reading what i say and what I said had substance and was relevant towards working on a deck it was a observation of what jund lost and based on current knowledge were it may adapt to, if people are going to make dismissve comments with out reading just because "they don't think something belongs here" I'm gonna snap back at them.

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So let me get this straight on the day the rotation happens the entire competitive section will be removed right? Since we have no way of knowing what will be competitive yet right? Come on Alex use your logical reasoning there. Obviously previous block decks will remain competitive at lest untill after states.

Alex does that stand for everythread here or just ones were a couple people complain about it?

Alex does that stand for everythread here or just ones were a couple people complain about it?

I'm just saying that we already have a Red After Rotation thread that it seems like this would be a great place to put your brews.

No need to be a dick.

I definitely prefer the second option, if their equal in power; it's more grindy with higher quality cards, which appeals more to be stylistically. The first option is more explosive of course. Which is better tends to be a meta-call I think; but heading into rotation ill be exploring the second option with appropriate build arounds. It's just how I like to build my aggro decks (every card is individually good, with some synergy).