Dies to Removal

Right, before I forget it, I would like to tell this strange happenings on modo. My opponent had a lone Pack Rat and a Mutavault. I activated Chandra +1 on the rat, he pumped it by discarding and making a token (2/2). I swung in with two of my 2/*s, then he activated the vault (3/3 to all rats), and blocked both of them. My creatures died from the result, but oddly enough, end of turn, he lost his army of rats as well (including the mutavault).

Even now, I don't get how this happened.

Right, before I forget it, I would like to tell this strange happenings on modo. My opponent had a lone Pack Rat and a Mutavault. I activated Chandra +1 on the rat, he pumped it by discarding and making a token (2/2). I swung in with two of my 2/*s, then he activated the vault (3/3 to all rats), and blocked both of them. My creatures died from the result, but oddly enough, end of turn, he lost his army of rats as well (including the mutavault).

Even now, I don't get how this happened.

pack rat and vault die, original rat becomes a 1/1 and has 1 damage from Chandra, thus dying. We disovered today while testing vs. Black Devotion that pack rat is a ludicrously hard card to play with and it'
s usually best to just use it as a fog machine while you get ahead on cards until you find gray merchant/whip as the black player. When going on the rat offensive, you force your opponent to go on the offensive which can often be bad for you(as the black player) because you only have a limited ability to make rats given X mana and cards in hand. If you just do nothing, your opponent has to play around your open mana which buys you time to get your engines online.

Thought I'd throw this out there for any black mages in the house.

Right, before I forget it, I would like to tell this strange happenings on modo. My opponent had a lone Pack Rat and a Mutavault. I activated Chandra +1 on the rat, he pumped it by discarding and making a token (2/2). I swung in with two of my 2/*s, then he activated the vault (3/3 to all rats), and blocked both of them. My creatures died from the result, but oddly enough, end of turn, he lost his army of rats as well (including the mutavault).

Even now, I don't get how this happened.

Mutavault is a 2/2, gets 2 damage, and dies.
The Pack Rats copy is a 3/3 with 2 damages, but with Mutavault dying becomes a 2/2, and dies as well.
The original Pack Rats is a 3/3 with 1 damage from
Chandra, but becomes a 1/1 with the Mutavault and the copy dying, and dies as well.

Just checking one rule thing...Indestructible doesn't cause any replacement effect, right? So Boros Charm mode 2 in response to Anger of the Gods saves my stuff right?

TH - should have played Maze's End, bitch.

FIA - the others covered it but never forget how much damage a creature has stacked on it even if it's not lethal and especially if that creature has an * toughness.

Platy - Charm saves from Anger. Anger Exiles if killed but Indestructible stops the creature from being killed in the first place.

Platy - Charm saves from Anger. Anger Exiles if killed but Indestructible stops the creature from being killed in the first place.

Ok, that's what I thought. I was a bit worried that there might be a window where the Exile replacement clause might kick in.

I totally missed out on the nostalgia party. And the 20,000th post celebration. And the 500th page jamboree.



Stupid homework. And my stupid body needs sleep for my stupid job....


At least I get a bottle of hooch from ham.

Okay, now I get why something was wrong. I was under the assumption that Pack Rat gave all rats +1/+1.

At least I get a bottle of hooch from ham.

Okay, now I get why something was wrong. I was under the assumption that Pack Rat gave all rats +1/+1.

Yeah that's a tough one. Each copy of Pack Rat gets +1/+1 for each Rat in play, but Mutavault isn't a copy of Pack Rat and doesn't get the boost, so it remains a 2/2 (though it pumps the others by virtue of being all creature types, including Rat). If Mutavault dies, then that reduces the overall toughness of Pack Rat and its copies. Any damage marked on them equal to or greater than their new toughness will kill them.

Vegeta, what does the scouter say about the post count?

IT'S OVER 20,000!!!

we complimented each others' decks

You make us proud, son.

I love showing off my deck. I especially love beating people with it. It's funny when they think their decks can stand up.

Funny how the knife I bought for work came in the mail the day after I quit >.>

At least it's bitchin'.

I love showing off my deck. I especially love beating people with it. It's funny when they think their decks can stand up.

My deck costs an overnight fee.

I spent most of my money on enhancing my deck...

Now I'm relying on using my deck to make some money back.

So far, it's been fairly satisfying.

@ Kaze: is it bad form for me to lurk mafia games that I'm not a part of? I know I shouldn't post in them, but my name shows up at the bottom with the list of registered users viewing. Is that bad?

@ Kaze: is it bad form for me to lurk mafia games that I'm not a part of? I know I shouldn't post in them, but my name shows up at the bottom with the list of registered users viewing. Is that bad?

Uh oh... you did it now.

@ Kaze: is it bad form for me to lurk mafia games that I'm not a part of? I know I shouldn't post in them, but my name shows up at the bottom with the list of registered users viewing. Is that bad?

Uh oh... you did it now.

Dude, I don't know. People read all sorts of crazy shit into those games.

in other news, I'm itching for a new corruption report.

@ Kaze: is it bad form for me to lurk mafia games that I'm not a part of? I know I shouldn't post in them, but my name shows up at the bottom with the list of registered users viewing. Is that bad?

Uh oh... you did it now.

Dude, I don't know. People read all sorts of crazy shit into those games.

Nah man, you fucked up. Seriously, edit that shit before Kaze gets back.

O.o

Suddenly I have less desire to actually play mafia here like i was thinking of doing... Seems way. Too serious/uptight o.o

Funny how the knife I bought for work came in the mail the day after I quit >.>

At least it's bitchin'.

What did you end up getting?

He doesn't know its name, he just knows the sound it makes when it ends rcwraspy's life.

@ Kaze: is it bad form for me to lurk mafia games that I'm not a part of? I know I shouldn't post in them, but my name shows up at the bottom with the list of registered users viewing. Is that bad?

DayKill: rcwraspy

Nah, you can read whatever you want.

O.o

Suddenly I have less desire to actually play mafia here like i was thinking of doing... Seems way. Too serious/uptight o.o

It's really not bad.

Funny how the knife I bought for work came in the mail the day after I quit >.>

At least it's bitchin'.

What did you end up getting?

Gerber Paraframe I. Pretty nice.

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Daykilling vig? Not bad, but not quite as good as my Unlynchable 1 shot governer rolecop.

Kill Kaze

Thought I'd throw this out there for any black mages in the house.

i c wut u did thar

Daykilling vig? Not bad, but not quite as good as my Unlynchable 1 shot governer rolecop.

Kill Kaze

So, like, how're you gonna kill me when none of those are a killing role?

What was that? A planeswalker that killed three others (Two Jaces and Elspeth) while gaining me card advantage? Who could it be?


This is why you shouldn't play Esper and forgo [card]Hero's Downfall[/card].

@Kaze

My recommendation for a very nice sharpener for the straight section only:

http://www.gerbergear.com/Hunting/Gear/ ... ener_04307

Best $3 I've ever spent.

And for the serrated sharpener:

http://www.gerbergear.com/Hunting/Gear/ ... ener_09841

It doesn't have to be exactly this one, just something like it.

Most appreciated.

Daykilling vig? Not bad, but not quite as good as my Unlynchable 1 shot governer rolecop.

Kill Kaze

So, like, how're you gonna kill me when none of those are a killing role?

In night, and I'm scum? Guess you should e thought before you shot;)

For those who have never played Mafia, that whole exchange sounds like complete gibberish.

For those who have never played Mafia, that whole exchange sounds like complete gibberish.

But awesome gibberish.

I expect you to lynch Kaze tomorrow after I flip my shit town.

Interesting take on Rakdos Midrange
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/article.asp?ID=11468

Bonus points for mentioning playing against Pyromancer Red.

I like how he mentioned Shocking a Satyr was a power play.

Because I'm sure the RDW player could have pulled that game out if he'd just had +2 life.

'Red pyromancer may be a thing'

Damn right