Dies to Removal

OK 13-2. Chained to the Rocks makes such a difference against GW/Naya. They were slightly unfavourable as mono red, now they're like 55-60%. Ridiculous. Even got to ultimate a Chandra for triple lightning strike (my opponent's entire board).

[deck]
Creatures
4 Ash Zealot
4 Chandra's Phoenix
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Rakdos Cackler
4 Young Pyromancer

Planeswalkers
3 Chandra, Best Card in Standard

Enchantments
2 Chained the the Rocks

Instants
4 Lightning Strike
4 Magma Jet
4 Shock

Lands
2 Mutavault
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Temple Garden
12 Mountain
1 Plains

Sideboard
1 Assemble the Legion
2
Boros Charm
4 Boros Reckoner
2 Chained to the Rocks
1 Hammer of Purporos
2 Mizzium Mortars
2 Renounce the Guilds
1 Wear // Tear
[/deck]

Renounce and Wear // Tear are not set in stone. I am tempted to just run 3 x Peak Eruption if Dega catches on.

Assemble + Hammer is a nice split, there are little differences between the two which makes me like the split.
- hammer is better against jace
- assemble doesn't die to putrefy or abrupt decay
- assemble is good against naya whereas hammer is pretty bad
- you can draw hammer in multiples
- hammer does only cost 3 though, and the haste clause is lovely
So far I like the split.

You lose a few points in the mirror on account of your mana base, but hopefully chained + reckoner makes up for it; you can clean answer your opponent's reckoner and phoenix; they cannot answer yours.

There aren't too many ways to hate it out. I think it even has favorable matchup against UW/Esper (have you seen Wafo Tapa's games? Yep, Blue Skies actually deal well with it mostly due to Mutavaults + Bidet generating all the CA you ever need).
Some hate cards against it: Mindsparker and Skylasher. But it's not like those cards are extremally good on their own.
I think very anti-aggro UW with Ratchet Bombs and Verdicts could have very favorable matchup.

Or play Doom Blade?

Or play Doom Blade?

It still misses Nightveil Specter. And this card is kinda relevant to their devotion count.

Mhm, kay. Dreadbore hits them hard in the soft spot.

Mhm, kay. Dreadbore hits them hard in the soft spot. Mortars is fine.
Still, there aren't too many good creatures for RB. Cerberus is not the control card - same for Exava. Stormbreath Dragon as finisher?
I think the best bet would be Darkhammer with Cerberus as curve topper and with all the sweet cards to deal with stuff.

I'm not sure why people are shitting themselves over Master of Waves. The deck wasn't good because of Master, it was good because Scrying every single turn is fucking nuts in the hands of a powerful player. Even if you NEVER turn Thassa into a creature, the ability to manipulate the top that much is eventually going to win you the game regardless. I was more shocked that we didn't see her in a UW list with Supreme Verdicts (since she's indestructible) and Sphinx's Revelation.

I'm not sure why people are shitting themselves over Master of Waves. The deck wasn't good because of Master, it was good because Scrying every single turn is fucking nuts in the hands of a powerful player. Even if you NEVER turn Thassa into a creature, the ability to manipulate the top that much is eventually going to win you the game regardless. I was more shocked that we didn't see her in a UW list with Supreme Verdicts (since she's indestructible) and Sphinx's Revelation.

People are shitting themselves over it because it just won the pro tour. I dodged it at states yesterday (one of
the top 8 guys was running it) and haven't played against it yet, but it seems to me that there are so many avenues of attack against it that are still decent against other creature decks.

I'm not sure why people are shitting themselves over Master of Waves. The deck wasn't good because of Master, it was good because Scrying every single turn is fucking nuts in the hands of a powerful player. Even if you NEVER turn Thassa into a creature, the ability to manipulate the top that much is eventually going to win you the game regardless. I was more shocked that we didn't see her in a UW list with Supreme Verdicts (since she's indestructible)
and Sphinx's Revelation.

People are shitting themselves over it because it just won the pro tour. I dodged it at states yesterday (one of the top 8 guys was running it) and haven't played against it yet, but it seems to me that there are so many avenues of attack against it that are still decent against other creature decks.

I think you're missing my point. The point is Master of Waves is not the reason the deck was successful. Thassa was.

I'm not sure why people are shitting themselves over Master of Waves. The deck wasn't good because of Master, it was good because Scrying every single turn is fucking nuts in the hands of a powerful player. Even if you NEVER turn Thassa into a creature, the ability to manipulate the top that much is
eventually going to win you the game regardless. I was more shocked that we didn't see her in a UW list with Supreme Verdicts (since she's indestructible) and Sphinx's Revelation.

People are shitting themselves over it because it just won the pro tour. I dodged it at states yesterday (one of the top 8 guys was running it) and haven't played against it yet, but it seems to me that there are so many avenues of attack against it that are still decent against other creature decks.

I think you're missing my point. The point is Master of Waves is not the reason the deck was successful. Thassa was.

Nope, not missing your point at all. My first sentence was my response to "why are people shitting themselves over this card." The rest of my post was just continuing my other trains of thought, and weren't meant as a response to the Thassa comment. I get that Thassa's scry each upkeep is a powerful engine. There just isn't anything I can see
to answer that in Black/Red, so it's a "suffer it to be so" thing if you're just in those colors. You just have to kill them in spite of it.

I'm not sure why people are shitting themselves over Master of Waves. The deck wasn't good because of Master, it was good because Scrying
every single turn is fucking nuts in the hands of a powerful player. Even if you NEVER turn Thassa into a creature, the ability to manipulate the top that much is eventually going to win you the game regardless. I was more shocked that we didn't see her in a UW list with Supreme Verdicts (since she's indestructible) and Sphinx's Revelation.

People are shitting themselves over it because it just won the pro tour. I dodged it at states yesterday (one of the top 8 guys was running it) and haven't played against it yet, but it seems to me that there are so many avenues of attack against it that are still decent against other creature decks.

I think you're missing my point. The point is Master of Waves is not the reason the deck was successful. Thassa was.

Nope, not missing your point at all. My first sentence was my response to "why are people shitting themselves over this card." The rest of my post was just continuing my other trains of
thought, and weren't meant as a response to the Thassa comment. I get that Thassa's scry each upkeep is a powerful engine. There just isn't anything I can see to answer that in Black/Red, so it's a "suffer it to be so" thing if you're just in those colors. You just have to kill them in spite of it.

I'm pretty sure red decks can't beat Supreme Verdicts into Aetherling most of the time either. I get that the card "won a pro tour" and all but...it didn't win the pro tour, it just happened to be in the deck. Its like saying that Tom Martell won the pro tour because he was playing Doomed Traveler.

I'm not really attacking you in particular or anything, I just really don't want people to fall prey to the line of reasoning. (This card is nuts, look at the deck it was in!)